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Re: Lucky Luciano in Naples [Re: Toodoped] #1076497
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Vanella returned to NY sometime around the early 1920's I think, meaning he obviously wasnt involved much in the conflicts during Prohibition, although he probably killed more than few people previously for Colosimo and Torrio.


Vanella is somewhat of a unique Italian surname. He may have been related, as a father, uncle, brother, cousin, to Antonio (Tony) Vanella, a notorious and deadly mafioso who hailed from Downtown New York and was active throughout the 1920s-1960s era.


Im not sure but I think that you and I already started this convo in the past but never made a final point. Can you dig up something about it?


Lol. (I thought the same thing, that we did bring it up already.) But lets' see if we can dig up a connection between them.

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Originally Posted by NYMafia
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Vanella returned to NY sometime around the early 1920's I think, meaning he obviously wasnt involved much in the conflicts during Prohibition, although he probably killed more than few people previously for Colosimo and Torrio.


Vanella is somewhat of a unique Italian surname. He may have been related, as a father, uncle, brother, cousin, to Antonio (Tony) Vanella, a notorious and deadly mafioso who hailed from Downtown New York and was active throughout the 1920s-1960s era.


Im not sure but I think that you and I already started this convo in the past but never made a final point. Can you dig up something about it?


Lol. (I thought the same thing, that we did bring it up already.) But lets' see if we can dig up a connection between them.


Lol +1


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Re: Lucky Luciano in Naples [Re: Hollander] #1076521
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Some additional info on Luciano..

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Re: Lucky Luciano in Naples [Re: Hollander] #1076524
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I never realised the Nazis had such a huge following in NYC, I know they had in Holland, UK and France.

https://nypost.com/2022/05/07/jewish-gangsters-once-took-on-nazis-in-the-streets-of-nyc/


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Re: Lucky Luciano in Naples [Re: Hollander] #1076605
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My old man told me stories about when the Normandie caught fire and capsized in the Hudson on the Westside docks. He could see it from the car when my grandfather drove down the Westside Hwy during WWII.
Great Jones is still there, just a few blocks north of the intersection of Broadway and Houston, and near the intersection of Bleecker and Broadway. There was a brown historic designation sign for it on Broadway. It's connected to Shinbone Alley which also had a sign but I think it was taken down(maybe illegally).

Re: Lucky Luciano in Naples [Re: Hollander] #1076646
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Dont know regarding the credibility of this but still heres another quite interesting info on Luciano...

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Re: Lucky Luciano in Naples [Re: Toodoped] #1076657
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Dont know regarding the credibility of this but still heres another quite interesting info on Luciano...

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Interesting information, thanks! But in your opinion, who was this mafia boss who had Luciano kneel before him and kiss his hand? I thought Luciano was more respected in Italy. Even though I don't sympathize with gangsters, but to be honest it's a little disappointing that Luciano acted so subservient, if the story is true...


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2) "Get out of here, old man. Go tell Raymond to go shit in his hat. We're not giving you anything."
Re: Lucky Luciano in Naples [Re: Hollander] #1076659
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I can believe the story, the Mafia in Italy is the real thing, not the watered-down American story. Did it actually happen? I don't know.

Re: Lucky Luciano in Naples [Re: Dwalin2011] #1076660
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Originally Posted by Dwalin2011

Interesting information, thanks! But in your opinion, who was this mafia boss who had Luciano kneel before him and kiss his hand? I thought Luciano was more respected in Italy. Even though I don't sympathize with gangsters, but to be honest it's a little disappointing that Luciano acted so subservient, if the story is true...


You're welcome bud. To be honest I personally dont have a clue on who the Italian mob boss might've been or again, if the situation really occurred...but wasnt there also some story floating around that Luciano was allegedly once slapped in the face by some Italian mobster???


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Re: Lucky Luciano in Naples [Re: Toodoped] #1076664
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Originally Posted by Toodoped
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Interesting information, thanks! But in your opinion, who was this mafia boss who had Luciano kneel before him and kiss his hand? I thought Luciano was more respected in Italy. Even though I don't sympathize with gangsters, but to be honest it's a little disappointing that Luciano acted so subservient, if the story is true...


You're welcome bud. To be honest I personally dont have a clue on who the Italian mob boss might've been or again, if the situation really occurred...but wasnt there also some story floating around that Luciano was allegedly once slapped in the face by some Italian mobster???


I posted about the incident ealier, it was reported in the NY Times in 1950. Francesco Pirozzi slapt him the public humiliation was ordered by Camorra boss Alfredo Maisto.


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Re: Lucky Luciano in Naples [Re: Hollander] #1076666
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Alfredo Maisto is, together with Pasquale Simonetti and Vittorio Nappi , one of the last representatives of the old pre-Cutolian Camorra. These characters, much loved and feared by the local population, were also called Guappi . These are legendary figures around which the population builds anecdotes, sometimes without foundation.

Maisto is recalled several times by Raffaele Cutolo . Don Alfredo Maisto helps the father of the future head of the NCO, an episode that will allow Cutolo to establish a sort of connection between the boss and some figures of the Catholic imagination, in particular that of the Archangel Gabriel . It is possible to affirm that, on the basis of this imagery, filtered by a magical thought typical of the local culture, the personality of the bloodthirsty boss of Ottaviano is built .

Alfredo Maisto dies of a stroke in a clinic bed. In Giugliano the memory of his funeral which was attended by thousands of people.


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Re: Lucky Luciano in Naples [Re: Hollander] #1076669
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Thanks for the additional info @H


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Re: Lucky Luciano in Naples [Re: Hollander] #1076673
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It's also interesting that, although the story of Luciano being slapped by a camorrista in Italy is quite famous, but it's quite confusing who exactly was the one actually slapping him; almost every time I see this story, a different name is mentioned: Francesco Pirozzi, Vittorio Nappi, Pasquale Simonetti, to name a few.

This article in Italian:

https://www.stylo24.it/cosi-badalamenti-vendico-l-affronto-subito-ad-agnano-da-lucky-luciano/

even says that Gaetano Badalamenti had that man whacked by Salvatore Zaza, as late revenge for the insult against Luciano, according to Antonino Calderone, who doesn't specify a name though.

The versions of the event seem to be countless...

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2) "Get out of here, old man. Go tell Raymond to go shit in his hat. We're not giving you anything."
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Originally Posted by Liggio
I can believe the story, the Mafia in Italy is the real thing, not the watered-down American story. Did it actually happen? I don't know.


I agree that today the American Mafia is quite "watered-down", but at the time when Luciano was active, it wasn't weak at all, imo.


Willie Marfeo to Henry Tameleo:

1) "You people want a loaf of bread and you throw the crumbs back. Well, fuck you. I ain't closing down."

2) "Get out of here, old man. Go tell Raymond to go shit in his hat. We're not giving you anything."
Re: Lucky Luciano in Naples [Re: Hollander] #1076675
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Incredible finds TD and Hollander! Lots of questions.

Re: Lucky Luciano in Naples [Re: Dwalin2011] #1076684
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Originally Posted by Dwalin2011
Originally Posted by Liggio
I can believe the story, the Mafia in Italy is the real thing, not the watered-down American story. Did it actually happen? I don't know.


I agree that today the American Mafia is quite "watered-down", but at the time when Luciano was active, it wasn't weak at all, imo.


yes, at the time american mafia was stronger than italian mafia from italy

Re: Lucky Luciano in Naples [Re: Dwalin2011] #1076765
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Originally Posted by Dwalin2011
It's also interesting that, although the story of Luciano being slapped by a camorrista in Italy is quite famous, but it's quite confusing who exactly was the one actually slapping him; almost every time I see this story, a different name is mentioned: Francesco Pirozzi, Vittorio Nappi, Pasquale Simonetti, to name a few.

This article in Italian:

https://www.stylo24.it/cosi-badalamenti-vendico-l-affronto-subito-ad-agnano-da-lucky-luciano/

even says that Gaetano Badalamenti had that man whacked by Salvatore Zaza, as late revenge for the insult against Luciano, according to Antonino Calderone, who doesn't specify a name though.

The versions of the event seem to be countless...


I don't believe Calderone really know what happened he may have heard some rumors Simonetti was maybe present as was Nappi but they were bosses themselves in 1950 a low level guy like Pirozzi seems more likely on orders of his boss Maisto.


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Re: Lucky Luciano in Naples [Re: Hollander] #1076775
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Don Vittorio Nappi

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Some additional info on Lucky from 1936....

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Lucky in Nazi Germany
By Tim Newark

In his new biography of the legendary mobster, "Lucky Luciano: the Real and the Fake Gangster" (St Martin's Press), Tim Newark uses primary sources in US and European archives to reveal new truths about the gangster and puncture old myths. In this extract, he exposes for the first time Luciano's trip to Nazi Germany.

https://www.americanmafia.com/Feature_Articles_464.html


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Thomas Dewey questioning Luciano...

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Thanks TD ! In two pictures Luciano appears to have a tattoo on his right arm.

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Rare color pic.

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Re: Lucky Luciano in Naples [Re: Hollander] #1077093
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Love the second pic. Thanks @H


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Part of the testimony of Outfit informer Willie Bioff who in turn helped in imprisoning most of the Outfits leadership regarding the Hollywood extortion scheme but he also mentioned Luciano...

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Frank Scalise with Lucky in Italy.

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This pic was taken from my old mobile phone more then ten years ago from Luzi's book but these guys placed a watermark on it like its theirs lol lol lol anyways....

Chicago Outfit heavyweights Jim Ammiratto aka Emery and Dominick Roberto together with Lucky Luciano in Italy...

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