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Re: Didn't closing the books damage the US mafia?
[Re: jace]
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10/08/23 02:34 PM
10/08/23 02:34 PM
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furio_from_naples
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From what Valachi said they inducted hundreds of guys in the 50s prior to the "closing". In his memoirs he was moaning about the calibre of a lot of the guys they made, he was also the one who spoke about Frank Scalise making guys for money around that same time period (can't remember exactly when he got killed, 1957?). I'm not clear though on whether they made a ton of guys because they knew they were closing the books or that they closed the books because they made so many I see it as strange for Valachi to criticize the quality of guys being made after what he did. He ratted openly. made quite a bit of stuff up, or the feds made it up for him. He went nuts doing time, and it turned out afterwards that his family had a big history of mental illness which apparently was passed on genetically to him. He went nut bexause despite started his 15 years sentence for drug traffick,Genovese thinked that he was a rat and ordered to whack him,despite that Valachi doesnt flip but after killed a guy and risking the death penalty he agreed to flipped. Without Genovese paranoia,Valachi would be out in 1974,maybe first and would return to the borgata.
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Re: Didn't closing the books damage the US mafia?
[Re: furio_from_naples]
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10/08/23 03:01 PM
10/08/23 03:01 PM
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Vito Genovese helped destroy La Cosa Nostra in so many ways. First in 1957 with the attempted hit on Frank Costello, then the same year with the Apalachin Meeting, if he in fact was the mastermind behind it. Then when he forced Joseph Valachi to flip in 1963, who for the first time identified the entire structure of the American Mafia to the world, including all the Families and their administrations. If not for those events, we would most likely be talking about a very different LCN today. I still blame the bosses at Apalachin for running though, if not for that I really don't think that law enforcement could've done shit at that time. Unless you're on parole, they can't tell you who you can and can't meet. It was them running that caused the mass arrests and front page coverage.
As a side note, for a lowly soldier like Valachi to be able to identify the administrations of Families from all over the country tells you how interconnected they all were.
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Re: Didn't closing the books damage the US mafia?
[Re: furio_from_naples]
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10/08/23 07:28 PM
10/08/23 07:28 PM
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From what Valachi said they inducted hundreds of guys in the 50s prior to the "closing". In his memoirs he was moaning about the calibre of a lot of the guys they made, he was also the one who spoke about Frank Scalise making guys for money around that same time period (can't remember exactly when he got killed, 1957?). I'm not clear though on whether they made a ton of guys because they knew they were closing the books or that they closed the books because they made so many I see it as strange for Valachi to criticize the quality of guys being made after what he did. He ratted openly. made quite a bit of stuff up, or the feds made it up for him. He went nuts doing time, and it turned out afterwards that his family had a big history of mental illness which apparently was passed on genetically to him. He went nut bexause despite started his 15 years sentence for drug traffick,Genovese thinked that he was a rat and ordered to whack him,despite that Valachi doesnt flip but after killed a guy and risking the death penalty he agreed to flipped. Without Genovese paranoia,Valachi would be out in 1974,maybe first and would return to the borgata. It's a pretty crazy read when he talks about how paranoid he was, how he wasn't eating, how he felt guys being hot and cold with him and then ultimately murdering a guy he thought was someone else when he thought he was on the verge of being killed
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