How is it even possible that there are virtually NO mob arrests, NO mob indictments, in any of these former major organized crime strongholds?

New York City
Upstate New York
New Jersey
Connecticut
Philadelphia, PA
Providence, RI
Boston, MA
Chicago, IL
Detroit, MI
Miami, FL
Tampa, FL
Los Angeles, CA...and at least a dozen other cities; Pittsburgh, Cleveland, Pittston, Buffalo, etc.?

Even in NYC (Manhattan, Brooklyn, Staten Island, The Bronx, Queens,) long considered the benchmark and "ground zero" for organized crime in the United States, there's only been a trickle of generally boring - ho-hum indictments - in recent years. Indictments, that years ago, would have largely gone unnoticed because of the steady stream of interesting, complex major Mafia indictments being dropped daily on the heads of important mob figures?

You think the wiseguys are being more careful now, and thats the reason they're not getting pinched? LOL...I seriously doubt it. If anyone believes that fairytale, then there's a bridge in Brooklyn I'd like to sell them.

It is extremely telling! And it is, without a doubt, indicative of their "current" state of affairs (if they even still have a state of affairs, lol) of whats left of organized crime nowadays...It seems they're quickly going the way of the American Buffalo and the Dinosaur.

You can liken whats left of today's organized crime's racket "pie" to a dead carcass, with no meat left on the bones whatsoever...And the fellas that remain are all trying to scrape those bare dry bones to eke out a few dollars. Hard to believe, yet true!

I never thought I'd see it in our lifetime.

Thee has been. What you expect one every day? Every week? Every month even?

No there hasn't! Not even close.

Certainly not like the "old days" of even 10-15 years ago. And no where close to back in the 1960s, 1970s, 1980s, or even 1990s.....

Lol, watch, when the next indictment comes out it will be like you never wrote this and you will pretend to know everything about everyone involved NYM I know you no offense though or anything against you.

Maybe they insulated themselves with lots of buffers . LOL

Joking aside your absolutely right. Given the population in many of the cities mentioned; there should be more OC activity.

Liggio, with all due respect, you really don't have a single solitary clue (whatsoever) about what you "attempt" to speak about. You really don't!

In fact, truth be told, you're usually way "out in space" somewhere with all your "theories" and assumptions.

And at this point, I'm gonna play it smart and just follow that wise old proverb that says, "Sometimes it is better to stay silent, than to dispute with the ignorant." - Pythagoras


But like you just said to me up above, "no offense though or anything against you" (LOL)

I think the rackets are more sophisticated these days, look at the healthcare fraud scheme that involved mob guys without any mention of the mob whatsoever in the articles. They're not out hijacking trucks or pulling off big armed robberies anymore. Look at the $100 million lottery ripoff involving those Genovese guys, those are the types of scores they're into now. I see what you're saying, but I think we're looking for all the wild cowboy crimes they used to pull off on a daily basis, yes those days are over.

Not doing many hits.

There are many arrests, but the mob is no longer as big as it was, not close. OC is now Mexican, Colombian, Asian, and mixed race groups. The mafia is at its strongest on internet forums.

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Yeah, but take the drug business away from them and most of them will collapse.

What set traditional organized crime like the Mafia, Triads or Yakuza apart from later organized crime groups is that they were able to diversify their rackets and knew how to work themselves a way into the legitimate world. Even though later kind of organized crime groups do dabble in other rackets, the vast majority of their bread and butter comes from the drug trade with - especially for Asian and Eastern European groups - prostitution on the side. I'm really curious how long non-traditional organized crime groups will survive as functioning money making criminal enterprises when they won't be able to rely on the drug trade.

There have been mob indictments in recent times, in recent years. But how recent are we talking about? Yesterday? Everyday? Today? Every week? Month? Mob activity has drastically reduced compared to the days of old, but to somehow suggest that there has been absolutely nothing in recent times in absolutely absurd. The title says NO arrests anywhere, in all caps, and that's a bit of an overexaggeration.

@nymafia I don’t entirely agree with your perspective. Only 2 years ago the entire Columbo administration was taken down, there’s been nothing big this year but still maybe 5 or so cases? I don’t know what the comparison is to times gone by but if I’m in the mob I’m seeing it as a great thing that there’s fewer getting arrested. Even with all these guys on YouTube telling everyone exactly how it works there’s still not many arrests but we know there are still a good number of made guys out there. I think it’s all perspective whether we call them smart for being under the radar or that their weak. I expect not far off 50% if not more of their money is now legitimate, does that mean they’re dying or they’re being smart and setting themself up for some kind of future? I’m on the fence on the answer but it’s definitely interesting

If the FBI started finding dead bodies all over the place like it once was, I guarantee you would see indictments happening much more often. If Gambling was illegal then the same thing would happen but we are living in different times now.

Thats correct Fleming. In fact, they're not doing any hits.

Bingo! What you just said is right on the money TKJ (in so many ways.) 100% IMO

I still stick to what I said about the rackets being far more sophisticated and even more lucrative. Every now and then we're seeing big fraud cases and whatnot in the tens of millions and sometimes hundreds of millions of dollars. They're not chasing nickels and dimes anymore, with few exceptions I mean you'll always have your street thugs. The kind of rackets I'm talking about satisfies mob coffers for a really long time in one setting, and they don't require a lot of violence. The Goodfellas days are over.

Everyone here is entitled to his or her own perspective, obviously.

But the MAIN reason why you're not seeing many OC cases made anymore is because 90% of what they used to make a living from is either no longer feasible in todays economy and business world with the changing technology and law enforcement's sophistication, or its become completely legalized, so its no longer available to them as a revenue source.

Trust me when I tell ya, it isn't because street guys have become so ultra savvy, or have gone "under the radar," that they're not getting caught up in indictments.

Its because there are very few illicit and profitable rackets still available to them by which they can make a living. Otherwise, all the wiseguys and knockaround guys would be out there doing it, and all those in law enforcement would be out there making cases against them and pinching them!

The mob has gone from blowing up businesses to rackets such as credit card fraud and hacking into businesses computer systems.

I can't wait for the next big bust occurs, mark my words, when I say told you so people here will be saying stuff like, "Well, that's far and few between and is not indicative of the mob today," lol.

Or if it involves one of the Mafia groups from Italy like the Ndrangheta, for example, people will say, "But that's not the American Mafia!" Even thought it happened in the US, lol.

As I mentioned before, and with all due respect to those who think otherwise, I’m gonna have to strongly disagree here.

As an example, I’ll address one extremely weak “theory” that has been put forth as to the current state of affairs of organized crime today by saying this in response to what was stated previously in this thread by one poster. He said, and I quote: “about the rackets being far more sophisticated and even more lucrative. Every now and then we're seeing big fraud cases and whatnot in the tens of millions and sometimes hundreds of millions of dollars.”

The cold hard statistics prove thats an absolutely ludicrous statement that was made. And also shows a lack of understanding about what’s what and how organized crime really operated in this country for well over a century now.

Yes, admittedly, over the past few decades we have seen a couple of hugely profitable racket schemes perpetrated by (LCN) Italian organized crime figures. But the real question is, how many schemes like that were there? And much more importantly than that, what percentage of the “thousands upon thousands” of mafiosi and mob associates that comprise New York’s Five Families were involved and profited from those same few schemes?

1% of their total membership? Maybe 2%? Ok, lets even make it 5%! Thats a mere pittance of their total membership. It amounts to shit. Complete shit!

Tell me, how are the other 95% to 99% percent of all racket guys gonna make their living? What do they do with their time? Play tiddlywinks? Lol.

Do you REALLY think that the majority, or even a good portion, of organized crime figures are in a position to earn from stuff like that? Or are even intelligent and savvy enough to create unique and sophisticated schemes like that?

I’ll say it once again, ok? If you do believe that, then there’s a bridge in Brooklyn thats for sale that I’d like to sell you.
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This line of thinking only goes to show how uninformed some people are about the true state of “traditional” organized crime in the United States and how the real mechanics of rackets, racketeers and the street really operate.
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PS: Just remember, that you heard it here first.

Once the mob lost ability to get away with killing people it was pretty much downhill from there.

Once a secret society is exposed kinda loses its luster. The KKK was once a powerful organization once it was exposed it lost its power it’s secrecy. The same thing happened to the mob you have a informants coming on YouTube . The mobs becoming a joke

The mob already is a joke violence-wise, but we're talking about money. Many Families are still making serious money I don't care what NYM or anyone else says. They're still making money, and at the end of the day that's all that matters anyway. Money is the bottom line.

Ironically, most of the rackets have passed on to legitimate corporations. The drug business is run by Big Pharma, owned by congressional stockholders who then get paid on the back end because they're also stockholders in the rehab industry. This biggest bookies are FanDuel Sportsbook, DraftKings Sportsbook, with many congressional investors as well, no doubt. The sex trade has gone online with FansOnly, Chaturbate and countless other sites who get a cut like the virtual pimps that they are. What else is left, shylocking is still around, freight theft, good luck with that nowadays with GPS, same with extortion.
The government got wise and replaced the Mob with legitimate business they can control in the boardrooms not in street shootouts. It's nothing personal, strictly business.

How do we know these YouTube rats aren't just pushing the envelope, seeing how far they can go out in the open? The Witness Protection Program is a miserable life from what I hear.

CNote, the Italian Mafia were never big fans of the sex trade anyway, that's mostly Asian, which as has already been pointed out the Asians still make a killing on. That's another example of the legalization of something not putting organized crime elements out of business.

Are there any real killers in the mob anymore? Any of you know of anyone who has a reputation on the streets as one currently today? There has to be a couple with a reputation even though its rare.

If the rackets they're involved in is mostly nonviolent, why would you need killers?

Cmon, there's always a couple crazy guys tied into organized crime that have a scary reputation of being someone you do not fuck with.