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Re: Matteo Messina Denaro undergoes surgery! [Re: Hollander] #1070412
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Originally Posted by Hollander
Business, notables and professionals: in the intertwining between the Trapani mafia and freemasonry is the key to the Messina Denaro safe. Falcone and Borsellino, marked a profound difference between the Palermo mafia and the Trapani one: the first, they said, was the military one, the second the economic one.


Trapani mafia is very powerful , probably right after Palermo i would say , Catania is also up there but i would say Trapani is more powerful.


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Re: Matteo Messina Denaro undergoes surgery! [Re: Strax] #1070415
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Originally Posted by Strax

Trapani mafia is very powerful , probably right after Palermo i would say , Catania is also up there but i would say Trapani is more powerful.

I read in some book (I think it was Salvatore Lupo's "History of the mafia", although I am not 100% sure), that Tommaso Buscetta said that, if we evaluate each province's power by a 10-point scale, then Palermo would be 10, Agrigento and Trapani 8, Caltanissetta 6 and Catania 4. Strange he didn't mention Enna, and I thought Trapani was more powerful than Agrigento, but he put them on the same level....


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Re: Matteo Messina Denaro undergoes surgery! [Re: Dwalin2011] #1070417
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Originally Posted by Dwalin2011
I read in some book (I think it was Salvatore Lupo's "History of the mafia", although I am not 100% sure), that Tommaso Buscetta said that, if we evaluate each province's power by a 10-point scale, then Palermo would be 10, Agrigento and Trapani 8, Caltanissetta 6 and Catania 4. Strange he didn't mention Enna, and I thought Trapani was more powerful than Agrigento, but he put them on the same level....


Why did he rank Catania only 4? I would put Catania just under Palermo and Trapani , i guess he gave that rank somewhere in the late 80s or early 90s when it was under Santapaola's, when they were the most powerful. I guess today that rank would be higher because of 'Ndrangheta and drug trafficking going on there.


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Re: Matteo Messina Denaro undergoes surgery! [Re: Strax] #1070419
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Originally Posted by Strax

Why did he rank Catania only 4? I would put Catania just under Palermo and Trapani , i guess he gave that rank somewhere in the late 80s or early 90s when it was under Santapaola's, when they were the most powerful. I guess today that rank would be higher because of 'Ndrangheta and drug trafficking going on there.

Probably it was an even earlier period he was referring to, the late 70s or first 80s, since he started collaborating with Falcone in 1984.


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Re: Matteo Messina Denaro undergoes surgery! [Re: Dwalin2011] #1070421
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Originally Posted by Dwalin2011
Probably it was an even earlier period he was referring to, the late 70s or first 80s, since he started collaborating with Falcone in 1984.


You are probably right, that's why he ranked Caltanissetta so high, what is the status of mafia in Caltanissetta today?


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Re: Matteo Messina Denaro undergoes surgery! [Re: NYMafia] #1070423
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Whats going on today around Catania? I visited that area several times and it seems like a very quiet place (except for the Messina area, Giardini Naxos and Taormina) and almost no1 talks about the Mafia


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Re: Matteo Messina Denaro undergoes surgery! [Re: Toodoped] #1070425
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Originally Posted by Toodoped
Whats going on today around Catania? I visited that area several times and it seems like a very quiet place (except for the Messina area, Giardini Naxos and Taormina) and almost no1 talks about the Mafia


As a tourist you would never guess there is something there, i was on holiday in Sicily few years ago. But Catania & Messina are 'very hot'. Politicians are hand-to-hand with mafia , mayor of Messina was photographed few years ago with mafia members. A lot of activity there , in April this year police seized 2 tons of cocaine. A lot of arrests in Catania/Messina area, more than in Palermo in the last year.


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Re: Matteo Messina Denaro undergoes surgery! [Re: NYMafia] #1070426
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Why would you go to Sicily and talk about the Mafia? You can just watch the local news.

Re: Matteo Messina Denaro undergoes surgery! [Re: NYMafia] #1070427
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Santapaola's & Cappello's are running things in Catania. You also have Mazzei's and the Laudani's , but Laudani's are like right-hand to Santapaola's.


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Re: Matteo Messina Denaro undergoes surgery! [Re: NYMafia] #1070431
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Thing with Catania is that Cosa Nostra had to deal with the Cursoti who were also very powerful but not part of Cosa Nostra.

The Cursoti clan is a criminal organization, originating from the city of Catania , which takes its name from the Antico Corso area , the place of origin of most of its affiliates. It became known in the 70s-80s for having had logistical and operational bases in Northern Italy ( Milan and Turin , especially), dismantled with the repentance of Salvatore Parisi (operating in Turin ) and Angelo Epaminonda known as the Theban (operating in Milan ) [1] .

Structure
The Cursoti clan is divided into two factions, historically at war with each other:

the first, called the Milanese Cursoti because it has a large group of subjects already operating in Milan , once coagulated around the bosses Luigi "Jimmy" Miano and Angelo Epaminonda known as the Theban . At this moment it is linked by alliance to the Cappello , Sciuto-Tigna and Piacenti clans known as Ceusi. The clan is currently led by brothers Francesco and Carmelo Di Stefano, appointed regents directly by Nuccio Miano following the death of his brother Jimmy, who died in 2005 [2] ;
the second, called the Cursoti of Catania , was led by Giuseppe Garozzo known as Pippo 'u maritatu, firmly linked to the clan historically headed by Santo Mazzei known as ' u Carcagnusu [3] .
History
In the 1970s in Catania the major exponents of organized crime, who also operated in Northern Italy , decided to "consortium" to counter the excessive power of the Cosa Nostra family headed by Giuseppe Calderone and Benedetto Santapaola who, together with their brother Nino (known as Ninu 'u Pazzu ), ordered a series of murders: some criminals who had had the "guilt" of robbing and extorting some entrepreneurs who had the "protection" of the Catania Cosa Nostra [4] were eliminated. Santapaola's opponents were Santo Mazzei ( U Carcagnusu ), Giuseppe Garozzo( U Maritatu ), Antonio Miano (Nuccio) and Luigi Miano (Jimmy). The summits took place in the Antico Corso district , hence their name Cursoti. The gang also had criminal cells in Milan and Turin . Corrado Manfredi was chosen as head of the clan. The investigators of the time described Manfredi as a "character not of very high criminal depth but capable of giving shape to the criminal group" [5] .

In the 70s and 80s the Cursoti were the protagonists of the crime news of many Northern Italian newspapers : Catania , Turin and Milan were bloodied by numerous murders and the Cursoti fire groups were called the "Indians", led by Angelo Epaminonda , who in 1979 were responsible for the famous massacre in Via Moncucco in Milan , at the "La witch" restaurant, in which eight people were killed [6] [7] . On 10 November 1979 , at the San Gregorio di Catania motorway toll booth, a Cursoti commando massacred the three carabinieri Giovanni Bellissima , Salvatore Marrara and Salvatore Bologna , who were escorting the prisoner Angelo Pavone (known as " Angel Face "), affiliated to the Mazzei clan, kidnapped and then found killed eleven days later [ 8] [9] . On 15 January 1982 the target was Manfredi: he was shot dead at the Canova hotel in Milan by Epaminonda 's "Indians" because he was becoming too close to their bitter enemy Santapaola [10] [11]. The murder created tensions among the bosses who aspired to become the new mafia boss. At that point the "criminal consortium" crumbled and three criminal groups still operating today were born: the "Carcagnusi" headed by Santo Mazzei, the "Cursoti Catanesi" with the leadership of Giuseppe Garozzo and the "Milanesi" with the bosses Antonio "Nuccio" Miano and his brother Luigi “Jimmy” Miano.

In 1984 , Epaminonda was captured thanks to the indications of his former wingman Salvatore Parisi (hitman of the Turin Cursoti who became a collaborator of justice) [12] and he also began to collaborate with the judge Francesco Di Maggio [13] [14] : the revelations of Epaminonda produced the maxi-blitz of 19 February 1985 with more than 179 arrest warrants [15] , which was followed by a maxi-trial (the first held in Milan ) which ended with heavy sentences [16] . In the same year, Parisi's declarations led to four hundred arrest warrants executed between Sicily and Piedmontand Lombardy , which induced many of those arrested (including the brothers Roberto and Francesco Miano, leaders of the Turin wing of the Cursoti nicknamed journalistically " clan of Catania ") to collaborate with justice [17] [18] : on the basis of the revelations of these "repentants", the Turin judiciary set up a maxi-trial with 198 defendants which lasted nineteen months, in which many were sentenced to life imprisonment [19] [20] [21] . Francesco Miano's collaboration with the justice system also made it possible to identify those responsible for the murder of the prosecutor Bruno Caccia ,[23] .

In 1991 a violent feud broke out, which pitted on one side the Catania Cursoti, led by Giuseppe Garozzo and Santo Mazzei and supported by the Laudani clan (and therefore by the Santapaola and Malpassoti families ), and on the other the Milanese, headed by Jimmy Miano and supported by the Cappello clan : the war caused over five hundred murders in about five years [1] [24] [25] [26] . In 1992 Mazzei became a full member of Cosa Nostra thanks to the interest of Totò Riina and Leoluca Bagarella, who gave him logistical support to assassinate Alfio Trovato, Jimmy Miano's right-hand man in Milan [27] . In October of the same year, on the orders of Riina and Bagarella, Mazzei placed an artillery piece in the Boboli Gardens in Florence , which did not explode but which he represented for the Court of Assizes of Florence - which in June 1998 judged Cosa 's ghota ours – “ prelude in a minor key to the massacre campaign of '93 ” [28] .

On 17 October 1993 , the investigation by the GICO of the Guardia di Finanza , coordinated by the District Anti-Mafia Directorate of Florence , led to the arrest of Jimmy Miano and other members of the Milanese Cursoti gang, who had their operational base at the car park in via Oreste Salomone in Milan , where they managed massive arms and drug trafficking together with exponents of the Stidda of Gela [29] through the corruption of members of the police force [30] [31] [32]. The GICO investigation caused a sensation because one of the "repentants" who contributed to the investigation, Salvatore Maimone, accused three policemen and some magistrates from the " Mani Pulite " pool (Alberto Nobili, Armando Spataro and Antonio Di Pietro ) of having "covered up " the activities of the fleet in exchange for money and gifts, accusations which later proved to be unfounded [33] [34] .


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Re: Matteo Messina Denaro undergoes surgery! [Re: NYMafia] #1070432
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Hollander what organization does the Cursoti clan belong to? Cosa Nostra, Stidda, or what?

Re: Matteo Messina Denaro undergoes surgery! [Re: Liggio] #1070433
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Originally Posted by Liggio
Hollander what organization does the Cursoti clan belong to? Cosa Nostra, Stidda, or what?


Cosa Nostra is the oldest, most traditional and most widespread manifestation of the
Sicilian Mafia, however other Sicilian Mafia groups not affiliated to Cosa Nostra also present a
threat at an EU level, largely because of their mobility and propensity for violence whilst
committing serious crimes (including armed robberies). These include the Stidda, Cursoti
and Laudani clans.


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Re: Matteo Messina Denaro undergoes surgery! [Re: NYMafia] #1071012
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Although he didn't really talk he did suggest there were others outside Cosa Nostra who wanted Falcone and Borsellino out of the way !

In that report of 7 July it almost seems that Messina Denaro provokes (" Were you magistrates satisfied that judge Falcone was killed because he had 15 life sentences given in the Maxi trial? ") by defining the Falcone massacre as " the most important thing, to where it originates... at least where everything originates from ." To Assistant Prosecutor Guido, who asked the boss to be more clear, the boss replied "the massacres, the input" . And then again in another passage: "Listen, doctor Guido, and see that what I am saying is the truth... all these, let's call them repentants, who have said, yes, some piece of truth, and have had trials carried out, all right, but everyone has brought grist to their own mill . And to do so they say things that may be real and coincide with what you are looking for or what interests you, so be it, right? But there are things, however, that, for example, no one has ever arrived at, because to me it seems a little simplistic to say that Falcone was killed due to the sentence of the Maxi trial. If you are happy with this, so be it, that's your business, but this isn't the starting point... I'm talking about big changes ."

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Re: Matteo Messina Denaro undergoes surgery! [Re: NYMafia] #1071013
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Messina Denaro had spent several moments in northern Italy with Giuseppe Graviano , already a fugitive at that time, and then personally involved in the massacre in Via d'Amelio. This means that Messina Denaro could not fail to know whether or not Graviano, during the period of the massacres, had had relations with the then entrepreneur Silvio Berlusconi. Now that he is dead, the answers to these facts, at least for believers, will have to be given to the eternal Father. In the meantime, however, there remains bitterness over yet another missed opportunity for the Palermo prosecutors to take a new step forward towards the truth.


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