This was a decent thread until Kuklownski came up. The guy was a poser and the majority of his convictions came from self admissions. The last conviction, for the murder of NYPD Det. Peter Calabro, is laughable. Calabro was on Roy DeMeo's payroll, was giving him inside information, and was murdered a month before the FBI raided DeMeo's Empire Blvd auto theft ring. Kuklownski somehow got info about it, maybe from Robert DiBernardo, and used it to try and screw Sammy Gravano for being a rat. The Bergen County prosecutor ran with it and convicted Kuklownski in a bid for a higher office election.
Yeah, fucking Polack wanted to be notorious so bad he confessed to murders he didn't even do lol. And nothing against Polish people, this guy was a moron.
He didn't, he was charged with five murders, was convicted of two, copped to two and then copped to the Calabro murder later, that's it. No killing homeless guys on the Westside, no Jimmy Hoffa murder, no Joey Gallo murder, no Roy DeMeo murder, no John Favara murder. In reality, he was only a low level thief and an even lower Times Square porn operation associate, who produced porn copies for Robert DiBernardo. He got behind on a shylock loan from DB, who promptly sicced the Gemini Crew on him, they clocked him in the head with a metal film case, leaving a permanent scar he talks about. He was observed once at the Gemini Lounge by NYPD Task Force Det. Kenny McCabe, where allegedly bought a gun from Roy, there. The money he earned from the HBO Series went to his wife and kids, so he was incentivized to elaborate his stories for the sake of his wife and kids.
He didn't, he was charged with five murders, was convicted of two, copped to two and then copped to the Calabro murder later, that's it. No killing homeless guys on the Westside, no Jimmy Hoffa murder, no Joey Gallo murder, no Roy DeMeo murder, no John Favara murder. In reality, he was only a low level thief and an even lower Times Square porn operation associate, who produced porn copies for Robert DiBernardo. He got behind on a shylock loan from DB, who promptly sicced the Gemini Crew on him, they clocked him in the head with a metal film case, leaving a permanent scar he talks about. He was observed once at the Gemini Lounge by NYPD Task Force Det. Kenny McCabe, where allegedly bought a gun from Roy, there. The money he earned from the HBO Series went to his wife and kids, so he was incentivized to elaborate his stories for the sake of his wife and kids.
I think he also claimed to be present at Castellano's assassination. Guy was completely delusional.
How the f do you guys know he didnt do this or that other than assuming? The US marshall service doesnt send in a hit squad to take down a guy unless hes fuckin dangerous. .
He could've been dangerous, but he was dangerous without the mob. The motherfucker wasn't a Mafia hitman, now chill out fan boy.
My comment was in regards to those who claim he made up killing people. The US Marshall service is not that stupid. He killed alot of motherfuckers in a very brutal way.
Sorry Rush. He probably killed a bunch of people, who knows. I just find it funny that he says he did hits for like 6 crime families yet no photos of him with any wiseguys. If he was that involved with the mob surely there would be at least one surveillance photo of him somewhere.
Sorry Rush. He probably killed a bunch of people, who knows. I just find it funny that he says he did hits for like 6 crime families yet no photos of him with any wiseguys. If he was that involved with the mob surely there would be at least one surveillance photo of him somewhere.
He had delusions , not surprising it was his fantasy since he was a contract killer to make a living.
Re: The Mobs biggest psychopaths.
[Re: RushStreet]
#1066887 08/16/2311:53 AM08/16/2311:53 AM
Sorry Rush. He probably killed a bunch of people, who knows. I just find it funny that he says he did hits for like 6 crime families yet no photos of him with any wiseguys. If he was that involved with the mob surely there would be at least one surveillance photo of him somewhere.
He had delusions , not surprising it was his fantasy since he was a contract killer to make a living.
He wasn't delusional, he was building his brand to sell it. He wasn't a contract killer either. All of his other claimed murders were investigated and not a single one checked out.
Was the Marshall Service involved in his arrest? Because it was a state case that included ATF.
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..... yeah all sadistic murders and "no body, no crime" situations are "sane" actions committed by "sane" individuals, and the whole Mafia is completely "righteous"...according to the junkie crew fuck outta here
He who can never endure the bad will never see the good
Never said that ALL were anything, I merely said that we don’t know (unless we have prison psychiatric reports or something similar). I imagine a large number of these supposed “psychopaths” certainly were sadists and some were likely true psychopaths, but again, we don’t know. Also I never said that the mafia is righteous, I think they are literally the opposite. Continue living in your fantasy where me and mafia101 are B and Angelo or whoever you think we are, but I’m not.
Never said that ALL were anything, I merely said that we don’t know (unless we have prison psychiatric reports or something similar). I imagine a large number of these supposed “psychopaths” certainly were sadists and some were likely true psychopaths, but again, we don’t know. Also I never said that the mafia is righteous, I think they are literally the opposite. Continue living in your fantasy where me and mafia101 are B and Angelo or whoever you think we are, but I’m not.
Maybe you're "westside1931" although I thought that was mafia101 but maybe you have even more aliases than I originally thought...funny how everything is so "connected," if you know what I mean (and if you don't...go back to the Valenti thread.)
No point in arguing, I’m not westside (though I talk to him relatively frequently) or mafia 101, but it seems you already made up your mind that I’m one or both of them.
Never said that ALL were anything, I merely said that we don’t know (unless we have prison psychiatric reports or something similar). I imagine a large number of these supposed “psychopaths” certainly were sadists and some were likely true psychopaths, but again, we don’t know. Also I never said that the mafia is righteous, I think they are literally the opposite. Continue living in your fantasy where me and mafia101 are B and Angelo or whoever you think we are, but I’m not.
Maybe you're "westside1931" although I thought that was mafia101 but maybe you have even more aliases than I originally thought...funny how everything is so "connected," if you know what I mean (and if you don't...go back to the Valenti thread.)
Lisa, it's like the old saying goes..."Children will be children." Lol
And like I always say, "Envious little adolescents are just that, envious little adolescents. They're also the worst kind."
Then we both know how much westside1931 loves Button Guys, don't we Sully? Since you talk to him "relatively frequently"?
But back to the topic at hand...psychopaths...here's an interesting article on the subject. Granted, it's about Sicilian mobsters, but still interesting nonetheless:
Mafia mobsters are more sensitive, family-centred and less selfish than other criminals - Study finds convicted mobsters compartmentalise their feelings to separate mob business with positive feelings towards their loved ones
Heather Saul Tuesday 15 April 2014
Members of the Mafia are more sensitive, family orientated and less selfish than other murderers, research looking into incarcerated Sicilian mobsters has found.
Members of the Mafia also appeared to have lower psychopathic traits than other criminals, a study lead by Italian researcher Professor Adriano Schimmenti concluded.
The research involved 30 inmates who were psychologically assessed using the Hare Psychopathy Checklist (PCL-R) which measures psychotic characteristics.
Seven of the Mafia members had been convicted of murder, 17 for violent crimes and the remainder for crimes such as drug trafficking, sexual exploitation and kidnapping, according to Discovery Magazine.
Those who received a score of 30 or above are considered a psychopath. None of the Mafia members scored over 30 in the researchers' test.
Instead, they expressed more concern for their family than the group of 39 non-Mafia prisoners convicted of non-gang related crimes, and never ceased to write or call them.
Furthermore, Prof Schimmenti found them to be less 'manipulative', ‘Machiavellian’, ‘narcissistic’, ‘unemotional’, ‘parasitic’ and/or ‘impulsive’ and less likely to have a substance abuse problem than the control group.
Prof Schimmenti explained this by suggesting the Mafia compartmentalised their lives and behaviours to split Mafia affairs from positive feelings towards their loved ones.
The authors did note the research only involved low ranking mafiosi, because access to higher ranking members is banned in Italy.
The team concluded: “Our findings bring new hope for resocialisation of convicted Mafia members, because they showed significant antisocial traits but they maintained a capacity for emotional connection and greater likelihood of engaging with training and resocialisation programmes than other imprisoned offenders in Italy.”
The study Mafia and Psychopathy was published in the journal Criminal Behaviour and Mental Health.
Then we both know how much westside1931 loves Button Guys, don't we Sully? Since you talk to him "relatively frequently"?
But back to the topic at hand...psychopaths...here's an interesting article on the subject. Granted, it's about Sicilian mobsters, but still interesting nonetheless:
Mafia mobsters are more sensitive, family-centred and less selfish than other criminals - Study finds convicted mobsters compartmentalise their feelings to separate mob business with positive feelings towards their loved ones
Heather Saul Tuesday 15 April 2014
Members of the Mafia are more sensitive, family orientated and less selfish than other murderers, research looking into incarcerated Sicilian mobsters has found.
Members of the Mafia also appeared to have lower psychopathic traits than other criminals, a study lead by Italian researcher Professor Adriano Schimmenti concluded.
The research involved 30 inmates who were psychologically assessed using the Hare Psychopathy Checklist (PCL-R) which measures psychotic characteristics.
Seven of the Mafia members had been convicted of murder, 17 for violent crimes and the remainder for crimes such as drug trafficking, sexual exploitation and kidnapping, according to Discovery Magazine.
Those who received a score of 30 or above are considered a psychopath. None of the Mafia members scored over 30 in the researchers' test.
Instead, they expressed more concern for their family than the group of 39 non-Mafia prisoners convicted of non-gang related crimes, and never ceased to write or call them.
Furthermore, Prof Schimmenti found them to be less 'manipulative', ‘Machiavellian’, ‘narcissistic’, ‘unemotional’, ‘parasitic’ and/or ‘impulsive’ and less likely to have a substance abuse problem than the control group.
Prof Schimmenti explained this by suggesting the Mafia compartmentalised their lives and behaviours to split Mafia affairs from positive feelings towards their loved ones.
The authors did note the research only involved low ranking mafiosi, because access to higher ranking members is banned in Italy.
The team concluded: “Our findings bring new hope for resocialisation of convicted Mafia members, because they showed significant antisocial traits but they maintained a capacity for emotional connection and greater likelihood of engaging with training and resocialisation programmes than other imprisoned offenders in Italy.”
The study Mafia and Psychopathy was published in the journal Criminal Behaviour and Mental Health.
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Originally Posted by MafiaStudent
Then we both know how much westside1931 loves Button Guys, don't we Sully? Since you talk to him "relatively frequently"?
But back to the topic at hand...psychopaths...here's an interesting article on the subject. Granted, it's about Sicilian mobsters, but still interesting nonetheless:
Mafia mobsters are more sensitive, family-centred and less selfish than other criminals - Study finds convicted mobsters compartmentalise their feelings to separate mob business with positive feelings towards their loved ones
Heather Saul Tuesday 15 April 2014
Members of the Mafia are more sensitive, family orientated and less selfish than other murderers, research looking into incarcerated Sicilian mobsters has found.
Members of the Mafia also appeared to have lower psychopathic traits than other criminals, a study lead by Italian researcher Professor Adriano Schimmenti concluded.
The research involved 30 inmates who were psychologically assessed using the Hare Psychopathy Checklist (PCL-R) which measures psychotic characteristics.
Seven of the Mafia members had been convicted of murder, 17 for violent crimes and the remainder for crimes such as drug trafficking, sexual exploitation and kidnapping, according to Discovery Magazine.
Those who received a score of 30 or above are considered a psychopath. None of the Mafia members scored over 30 in the researchers' test.
Instead, they expressed more concern for their family than the group of 39 non-Mafia prisoners convicted of non-gang related crimes, and never ceased to write or call them.
Furthermore, Prof Schimmenti found them to be less 'manipulative', ‘Machiavellian’, ‘narcissistic’, ‘unemotional’, ‘parasitic’ and/or ‘impulsive’ and less likely to have a substance abuse problem than the control group.
Prof Schimmenti explained this by suggesting the Mafia compartmentalised their lives and behaviours to split Mafia affairs from positive feelings towards their loved ones.
The authors did note the research only involved low ranking mafiosi, because access to higher ranking members is banned in Italy.
The team concluded: “Our findings bring new hope for resocialisation of convicted Mafia members, because they showed significant antisocial traits but they maintained a capacity for emotional connection and greater likelihood of engaging with training and resocialisation programmes than other imprisoned offenders in Italy.”
The study Mafia and Psychopathy was published in the journal Criminal Behaviour and Mental Health.
Back in the days (i think it was during the 40s) when Giancana was questioned by psychiatrists, he was instantly labelled as lunatic lol. Maybe the high level bosses were more narcissistic, more selfish and spread fear among their ranks with the help of animalistic violence.
Also heres one interesting quote...
"Sadism is complex in the sense that it requires an understanding of emotions.
If I'm cutting into my partners skins for example. I understand that I am causing pain. No matter how big or small that pain is felt.
I'm causing pain. I understand that I am hurting a person. I understand that the pain I cause is gratuitous, and felt in different intensities depending on who or what I hurt.
It requires an understanding of emotions, because I get off on knowing how much I've hurt someone or something. If I didn't understand emotions. I simply wouldn't do what I do. Since people who are sadistic enjoy others suffering and being the cause of that suffering.
A psychopath is described as someone who has no remorse or guilt or the ability to feel. They are emotionally crippled and blunted.
A psychopath simply wouldn't give a damn about torturing some poor animal. Or a person. They just wouldn't care.
Could they do it? Of course.
But anyone could do that. But a sadist does it because he gets off on it. A psychopath wouldn't, or I highly doubt they would or even could.
And so it's quite clear that sadists show signs of psychopathic behaviour. Yet not all psychopaths show signs of sadism."
He who can never endure the bad will never see the good
Re: The Mobs biggest psychopaths.
[Re: RushStreet]
#1067044 08/18/2302:48 AM08/18/2302:48 AM
No point in arguing, I’m not westside (though I talk to him relatively frequently) or mafia 101, but it seems you already made up your mind that I’m one or both of them.
Did you and your buddy "westside" come up with this together? Amazes me "your friend" can't keep us out of his mouth. Also 7 hours ago??? Interesting...so I'm also going to add "bn" to the list of your aliases since we both know "bn" is the one who claims everyone is stealing his "FBI Files." Very classy post, btw. You should be proud of yourself.
(p.s. I would respond to this directly on Reddit but "westside" has me blocked. In fact, the moderators of the subreddit have me blocked as a whole so I can't comment or post at all- no surprise considering where the moderators come from.)
fuck outta here