Just an FBI file snippet I thought was interesting, and maybe others will

Source states Danny (Harry "Nig" Rosen's brother) as main contact for Lansky in 1970

Mentions of New Orleans, Los Angeles, Chicago, and of course Philly

Harry "Nig" Rosen wiki

Deleted - racist. Cut that shit out right now!

Why did Lansky come back to America
Isreal stopped protecting him?

After he sent them tons of weapons I remember reading

Thanks for the file.

Yaras used to be one of Chicagos main reps in Florida and had close contacts with many made guys (including CN bosses) and also with high level associates from different families.

It is interesting to note that back in the days most of the Jewish gangsters from around the country who were connected to different Italian families, were also somehow connected between each other which raises the question on whether there was a organized Jewish mob around the US with their own rep on the American-Italian commission, such as Lansky.

According to one convo between two NY made guys (i think Genovese), Willie Moretti allegedly ordered the murder of one Jewish gangster without the "ok" from the Jewish faction, which again means there was a second organization under or in alliance with the Italians.

Heres the info regarding Lansky having a seat on the national commission...some mob researchers think that the convo is taken out of context, or Accardo was allegedly making a joke, meaning most of those same mainstream researchers think all OC around the world was/is Sicilian (lol), but the reality is different since Accardo (Outfit boss and commission rep) was quite serious about the situation since Chicago already had non-Ital reps on their own Chicagos round table....this is one of the main evidences that the US mob was different than the European Mafia...

Interesting snippet Toodoped!

I lean towards Lansky having his own thing with guys like Nig Rosen, Samuel Jacobson, Ralph Jacobson, David Berman, Ed Levinson, Joseph Stacher, Harry Tietlebaum, Philip Kovolick, Louis Schrager, Benny Levine, Ruby Lazarus, Moe Sedway, Gus Greenbaum, Sam Kay, etc.

Semi legal guys like Alvin Malnik, Ben Novak, Lou Chesler, Jack Entratter, etc.

Hell, even Isadore "Kid Cann" Blumenfeld retired with him in Florida




@BensonHURST
I think Israel was too scared it would open the floodgates for all Jewish criminals to escape their charges using " Law of Return", so Yosef Burg (Ministry of the Interior) was forced to deny Lansky

Yosef did let Lansky go back to vacation years later though in poor health

I agree and I personally believe that the Chicago fam was/is the prime example regarding that same situation. Lansky was close associate of Chicago's "first cousins" the Luciano-Genovese family but he also represented other families in various schemes. Chicago's non-Italian bosses represented only their own family and they had their own seat and vote only on Chicago's round table, while Lansky had his own seat on the New York or national commission and also probably had his own vote regarding certain situations.

....in addition Gus Greenbaum was originally a Chicago guy and he and his wife were killed by the Outfit in a very gruesome way.

And Roselli would say that Los Angele's Jimmy Fratianno informed him that the order to kill Gus came from Miami with Chicago just fulfilling contract. "That was Meyer's contract", Fratianno said according to Roselli.

Edit timeline stuff:
Gus was killed in 1959
Lansky could've still held influence over the Outift with Ricca at the time, even though Ricca was just starting his legal woes in 1959
That FBI snippet you posted is also from 1959
Lansky lost Cuba in 1959
Interesting stuff!

No, the US Justice Department was mostly responsible for Lansky being expelled from Israel.
Israell's Law of Return (1950) states that any Jew (simply defined as a person born of a Jewish mother) has rhe right to live in Israel and become a citizen. An amendment in 1954 state that a person who is a "threat to national security" can be denied the "Right of Return" to Israel and can be expelled. Lansky's sole misdemeanor gambling conviction, and <3 month jail term, hardly constituted a "threat to Israel's national security." But, the Justice Department, which singled him out and was on his case night and day for years, supplied Israel's Minister of Interior with tons of material from his FBI file that convinced Prime Minister Golda Meier, and (on appeal) their Supreme Court, to deport Lansky. The irony was that Joseph (Doc) Stacher, a close associate of Lansky and Longy Zwillman who was convicted of evading close to a million dollars in US Federal income taxes--a big time felony--was accepted for Israeli citizenship.

Rosellis membership in the LA fam was probably established by Chicago top boss Paul Ricca who in turn sent young Roselli on the west coast and allegedly gave him some money. Later Roselli was the only non-member of the Chicago family who went to jail with the Outfits top leadership in 1943 and in 57 he transferred his membership in Chicago. This obviously means that Roselli was always Chicago's guy on the west coast, no matter which familiy he had membership in.

Before going to Vegas, back during the early 1940s Greenbaum was Chicagos guy in Phoenix where he controlled a wire service for the Mob.

Yes, Greenbaum was also associated with Lansky mainly because Bugsy (or the Genovese fam in general, together with their Jewish faction) managed to screw up the Flamingo operation and so this time it was up to the Chicago boys who in turn sent their own guy (Greenbaum) again under Lanskys supervision.

Story goes that Greenbaum brought the struggling casino out of debt within several months, and also continued controlling their bookmaking operations in Arizona. Greenbaum planned to retire to Arizona and rejected offers to run the Riviera for Ricca and Accardo and so Greenbaum's sister-in-law was murdered, which was the main reason for him accepting the job.

Some sources say that Greenbaum was a degenerate gambler and was also a junkie by doing lots og H. And so he allegedly kept some cash from the Vegas scheme and story goes that the Chicago boys were quite aware about the situation.

One source says that Ricca allegedly called for Greenbaum and spared his life mainly because they allegedly made a deal in which Greenbaum was going to give Chicago cash also from his own steal or his own scheme. Dont forget that almost all families at the time invested in Vegas, which according to the source Chicago allegedly had its own scheme going on without the knowledge of the rest of the fams.

When Greenbaum stopped sending cash from the "steal", thats when Marshall Caifano allegedly visited him and almost cut off his head from his neck and also killed his wife in similar fashion. Investigators at the time stated that the killer or killers had steaks for dinner in the same apartment.

God damn. At their peak, there could not have been a more violent/ruthless family than Chicago. Some of the murders they committed were similar to what you see cartels do today.

One picture says more than 1000 words Toodoped.

@Big_Tuna93...Ricca was already cutting necks "Camorra style" since he was a teenager back in Italy. Caifano was also known for cutting necks, same as Accardos guys who sliced the necks of all those burglars who robbed his home.

@Hollander I agree, especially the pic of Action Jackson's mutilated corpse.

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In addition or regarding the real subject of this thread, non-Italian leaders like Lansky, Guzik, Humphreys and Alex were the main individuals who made the US Mob quite unique.

It's been awhile since I've read Donnie Brasco's book, but I'm pretty sure it states in there that he was told that Chicago was the most violent family in the country during that time.

I was also curious, do you have anything on Marshall Caifano? I don't know much about him other than his life was pretty tragic. As you stated before, Giancana was banging his wife and he did quite a long time in jail. I also believe there's a story where he was basically knocked on his ass by a photographer.

Legend goes that Luciano allegedly said the same thing about Chicago's guys.

Regarding Marshall Caifano....as I already stated in one of my previous posts that Caifano's older brother Fat Lenny Caifano became a capo for the Giancana crew sometime around 1947 when Giancana was upped as Accardo's number two guy or underboss. This means that Lenny was probably the main individual who brought his younger brother into the Mob because Lenny and Giancana knew each other since kids.

Story goes that during the 1930's, Giancana's and Lenny's close associate from the West Side Louis Fratto allegedly introduced Marshall Caifano to Sam Battaglia and they became close associates. Later Fratto also allegedly introduced the duo to one of his cousins Phil Alderisio and in fact, this was the start or beginning of the future Grand Av crew. Antoinette Caifano was possibly another contact who in turn was Marshall Caifano’s relative and was also a long time friend of Battaglia.

By the end of the decade Caifano and Battaglia together operated a big gambling spot on 4500 West Filmore and even though I dont have any details, still rumors were that during the 1940's the duo was allegedly involved in numerous killings. In 1943 Battaglia and Caifano were riding in their black sedan when suddenly a cruising police car stopped them after recognizing their faces. The cops searched the car and found a whole arsenal of weapons such as sawed-off shotgun, a rifle, a hand grenade and five pistols.

By the early or mid 1950's Caifano was in Vegas but he still had interests back home. For example in 1957 Caifano, Battaglia and Alderisio received interests in the infamous Twin Food Products Company at 3250 Wentworth Av. Their so-called frontman in the company were Leo Rugendorf who served as the company’s president, and Meyer Ditlove’s son-in-law Lawrence Rosenberg who served as secretary and treasurer. Battaglia and Caifano also had "no-show" jobs as salesmen for the firm.

In 1958 Chicago Outfit associate Sidney Korshak allegedly hosted a mob meeting in Beverly Hills, California. Present at the meeting were Moe Dalitz and Morris Kleinman from the Cleveland mob, Joe Stacher and Longy Zwillman from the New Jersey mob, Meyer Lansky from New York, Sam Garfield from Detroit, plus Chicago delegates Battaglia and Caifano.

In 1959, Accardo, Battaglia, Caifano, Rocco DeStefano, Ben Fillichio and Jack Cerone received interests in some brewery with Cerone being the brewery’s representative at the time. During the same time period records at the Exchange National Banked showed that a trust was formed between Marshall Caifano, Irwin Weiner and his wife Lillian, Phil Alderisio and his wife Molly, Albert Frabotta and wife Santina, and Sam Battaglia and his wife Angela. The trust covered adjoining property which was located at 3240 through 3250 South Wentworth in Chicago.

Frank Balistrieri, the boss of the Milwaukee mob, travelled periodically to Pingree Grove to meet with the Outfit’s hierarchy and usually met with Battaglia, Alderisio and Caifano.

During the 1960's one huge problem disrupted their insurance swindle operation, which involved numerous fraudulent conspiracies such as false burglaries, fires in restaurants and other damaged properties. The operation was overseen by Caifano and also one Chicago Outfit associate and Loop insurance broker Lewis Barbe. One day one of Barbe's friends visited him and asked Barbe to arrange a meeting with Battaglia allegedly because that same friend had a problem with Caifano. Sources say that Caifano wanted to kill the guy because he owed a big amount of cash to Caifano. Story goes that Battaglia allegedly cancelled the contract and so everything went pretty well until the government got wind of the situation and made few arrests and that’s when some of the people that were involved in the conspiracy started talking.

Barbe was also one of those informants who went to the Internal Revenue service with information about Caifano, Alderisio and Battaglia. Barbe was about to testify against Caifano and so in February 1964, Barbe was called to testify in the courtroom of Chief Justice Alexander J. Napoli, who had continued the conspiracy trial until February 6, because at the same time Caifano was on trial in Los Angeles in an extortion conspiracy case where he was accused of trying to extort $60,000 from Ray Ryan, a multi-millionaire oil man.

After he left the court room at 10:20 a.m., Barbe entered his car which was parked in front of 2814 W. 26th St., just north of the court building and turned on the ignition key and suddenly a bomb blasted his car. The hood of the auto was blown over the 45-foot-high roof of the Vacuum Can Company, in front of which the car was parked. The hood landed 100 yards north of the building. The right door at the passenger seat of the auto was also blown off. All windows in the building were broken. Miraculously Barbe survived the blast. He got out of the car, fell on the street and kept calling for help. Buttons were ripped off his coat by the blast, his trousers were shredded, and his hair was singed. He lay in the street for 15 minutes before a police squad removed him to St. Anthony de Padua hospital. This didn’t solve Caifano’s problems because he was sentenced to 10 years in prison in the Los Angeles extortion case but later Caifano appealed the conviction and was released on bond.

As always, great stuff my friend.

You're always welcome bud.

Super informative.

Damn Toodoped, don't think I ever saw the Gus murder pics

"Investigators at the time stated that the killer or killers had steaks for dinner in the same apartment."

Damn!

Back in the days some Outfit hitmen didnt have any problem with having lunch or dinner while the most horrible things occurred in front of them. According to the late Frank Cullotta, he was once allegedly told by Spilotro that when he was torturing McCarthy and placed his head in a vice and when the poor's guy eye popped out, Spilotro's boss Chuck Nicoletti was right next him and allegedly ate pasta during the horrible process.

Back to Lansky....back in the days some researchers thought that the US mob had nothing to do with WWII, and there are even some books about it Lol. BUT heres a statement from the boss himself...

https://m.youtube.com/shorts/ZybZiDwAlUI

Yeah, sure, Meyer...

If you don't already know this story:

The luxury French ocean liner Normandie was in NY harbor shen France surrendered to the Germans in May 1940. The US Coast Guard held the ship in the harbor. After the US entered the war, the US Navy ordered that the Normandie be converted to a troop carrier. A worker careless with a torch set a bunch of life vests on fire. The ship burned and capsized. The Naval commander of the Port of New York suspected sabotage by Italian and German dockworkers sympathetic to Mussolini and Hitler. Joseph "Socks" Lanza, Mob boss of the waterfrontt, saw an opportunity and brought it to Meyer Lansky.. He figured that if the Navy wanted to believe sabotage instead of careless worker, the least he could do was to go along with it and help out his pal, Charlie Luciano, who had been convicted of "compulsory prostitution" by Manhattann DA Thomas Dewey and was serving a double-digit sentence.

Lansky contacted Judge Murray Gurfein, who had been Dewey's assistant, and made an offer he couldn't refuse: In return for getting Luciano transferred from the bleak, upstate Dammemora Prison to Great Meadow Prison closer to NYC, and having his sentence commuted after the war, Luciano would guarantee no more sabotage and no strikes on the docks. Gurfein sold it to his former boss, Dewey. who was now the governor of New York. Luciano was transferred to Great Meadow and, on Jan. 4, 1946, his sentence was commuted and he was deported to Italy.

So much for "helping the Italians to be better citizens.".

Thanks, although I already know the story. There used to be one quite cool and old documentary which was called "How the US reinstated the Sicilian Mafia" or something like that, which includes all the military and intelligence guys who were involved in the whole operation. Lots of interesting details.

Edit: here it is... https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=lMqMq...ZSB1cyByZWluc3RhdGVkIHNpY2lsaWFuIG1hZmlh

From Sedway 1946:


"Jewish Group" & "Italian Group" form Eastern Syndicate:


More on Syndicate:


Frank Erickson's thoughts on Bugsy hit:

Thanks again @I_Sell_Dem_Tomatoes.

Recently some member poster somewhere that Willie Moretti ordered the murder of some Jewish gangster who belonged to the Lansky crew, without FIRST receiving the "OK" from Lansky. Thats just one of the many examples that in New York there was another "family" which was obviously non-Italian and was headed by Lansky, who in turn probably had a seat on the commission during certain time period (according to Accardo and Giancana).

This again confirms the existence of two groups (Italian and non-Italian) with the Italians at the top and also being in larger numbers. Some mainstream researchers are laughing about this situation but the evidence can be found everywhere. Even though Lansky was close associate of the Genoveses, still it seems he also represented a separate group.

Similar situation was in Chicago too, meaning the non-Italian faction had its own seat on the Outfit's board of directors and had the right to vote regarding important situations, including taking care of widows, creating policy for the organization and above all, on who was going to be the new boss of the organization. One of the main evidences regarding the existence of their seat was the line of succession of that same position, meaning when some non-Italian representative died, the boss of the family called for a meeting on which a new non-Ital rep was elected.

Yes, non-Italians like Guzik and Humphreys occupied high places in the Outfit. Guzik ran the Outfit with The Waiter after Capone went to prison. He and Big Tuna were very tight.

Thats right @Turnbull.

Heres how the line of succession regarding the non-Ital rep or official position went down...Guzik-Humphreys-Alex, although later or by 1972 Alex received even higher position next to Accardo and Aiuppa, as one of the top three leaders...THREE Outfit informants stated the same thing...



And the second file is regarding the acting boss (Battaglia) attending a meeting regarding Alex succeeding the late Humphreys, which again means that these guys had a official position on the Outfits board of directors, which obviously was elected by the two groups aka the non-Itals and the leading Italian group...



In addition there is another file but i have tough time finding it, in which one informant allegedly stated that old time Capone boss Eddie Vogel and his protege Red Larner were allegedly also two of the main candidates to replace Humphreys (possibly two of the unknown individuals on that same meeting) but Vogel was already old and wanted to retire in California, while Larner was preparing to leave the country, and so Vogel allegedly gave Alex a pass to receive that same position and also gave him jurisdiction over almost all of his (Vogels) vending machine ops and companies such as the Apex Cigarette Service Inc., Ajax Phonograph Company, the Deluxe Cigarette Service Inc, General Smokers Cigarette Service Inc., Preferred Cigarette Service and the infamous Apex Zenith Vending Company, and all additional political and business connections.

"We'll get there pops, we'll get there" Lol

I believe Lansky was for a while "acting boss" after Luciano was deported.

With all due respect, thats not possible Hollander. In fact, it's patently impossible.

Because they were very close, Lansky may have passed some messages to several key capos from Luciano. He may have even executed some of Luciano's orders and requests.

But, as a non-Italian and a non-member associate, no way, no how, was he "leading" the Family, (as their "acting boss" no less.)

That would have been a direct slap in the face to every goodfella in the family, and by extension, to all other goodfellas. Understand?

He was Luciano's eyes and ears in the US. After the departure of Genovese Lucky probably appointed Costello as acting boss. However when Vito and Frank were at odds the role of Lansky became more important.