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Re: Things that just don't happen anymore in the mafia [Re: TheKillingJoke] #1049809
01/27/23 07:59 PM
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Originally Posted by TheKillingJoke
In all fairness, Iceveins makes a very solid point. And that one doesn't only ring true for the USA. I'd even go as far as saying that for any First World nation "organized crime" as we once knew it is done.

Is "organized criminal activity" still happening as we speak? Of course it is. Illegal drugs are still being brought in and sold, people are still taking illegal bets and loans, girls are still being forced into prostitution, people are still being extorted, etc... That will never go away. There'll always be people willing to choose that path and wherever there's a pervasive history of organized criminal activity there'll always be younger guys wanting to follow the footsteps of their predecessors. Doesn't matter how many other opportunities are available.

However, can you truthfully say that the imprint of criminal organizations is still as far reaching, still as influential when it comes to the social dynamics, still as ingrained in the very fabric of a city...as it once was? I highly doubt it.

In NYC, do you still see wiseguys openly being treated as royalty in any historic Italian American neighborhood? Can you still spot a vibrant social club?
Can you show me where to spot the Russian/Ukrainian/Jewish gangsters in Brighton Beach?

And even when we're not talking about the USA;
London for instance was well known for having big time crime families that wielded power over their manor and had the local police on their payroll. Everybody knew their faces, everybody knew who the local "hard men" were and locals came to them when they were in need of something. Much like the mafia. That kind of visible out-in-the-open interaction between "civilians" and "gangsters" isn't there anymore. And you can make the same case for Liverpool, Manchester, Glasgow, Nottingham...for that matter.
In Hong Kong in the 90's you used to have neighborhoods and markets where Triad members were openly running things. I was in Hong Kong a few years ago in those very neighborhoods and Triad members were nowhere to be seen.
In Tokyo or Kobe the Yakuza has become a ghostly presence much like LCN has become on the East Coast.
In Amsterdam local underworld figures used to associate in tourist areas. Not anymore.
Hamburg, Copenhagen, Stockholm...all used to be the decor of property visibly and openly owned by outlaw motorcycle gangs. That's not the case today.

Forget about the first world.
If you've been to Moscow in the last ten years even in a notoriously corrupt country like Russia it's clear that it's not the 90's anymore. You don't have Russian, Chechen, Georgian, Armenian or Azerbaijani gangsters ruling their respective communities with an iron fist any longer. They're completely out of the public view.
In Turkey you don't have people kissing the rings of their Black Sea or Kurdish "babas" in public anymore like they used to in the 80's and 90's.

None of those group mentioned above completely disappeared, but all of them basically had to go underground. The pervasive control and influence over their respective areas has waned. You can see underworld figures being on the run every day. Gangsters have a solid run of a few years, get nicked, get out, repeat. These days they're not the larger than life characters they used to be. Not even in the most "ghetto"-like areas out there. Of course criminal organizations still exist, but they're getting busted all the time.

It's not worth it anymore. It's over.
Nailed it.

World history has always had eras, phases and periods, some of which are unbelievable to imagine actually existed. The balance of law and crime has seen peaks and valleys for as long as civilizations have existed and there was once a glorious time for gangsters but in this current phase, organized crime cannot thrive. However the only thing certain in the world is that periods and collective mindsets change and there may be a time where organized crime regains their power and influence in the future, although probably not in our lifetimes.

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Re: Things that just don't happen anymore in the mafia [Re: RushStreet] #1049825
01/27/23 11:09 PM
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The mafia in Italy has been around since the 1800’s and America since the early 1900’s.
It will NEVER CEASE TO EXIST.

It has evolved in too many ways to mention.

LCN is not the same as it was in the 1990’s, 30 Years Ago…
NO SHIT? REALLY?

It is SILLY to think that it is possible that it would NOT have evolved, EVERYTHING AND EVERYONE ELSE HAS.

They have themselves to blame for ALOT of it.
GREED is a HUGE factor, they push the envelope and force the feds hands to get involved and clean up/out an industry to rid them.

That’s what has happened with many, many LCN rackets, what happened in the construction industry/Unions, WallStreet, Fulton FishMarket, Casino’s etc. just to name a few.






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Re: Things that just don't happen anymore in the mafia [Re: RushStreet] #1049826
01/27/23 11:14 PM
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Let’s talk about the one racket the mob will never let go of and that is prostitution. What strip clubs in New York/Jersey do any mobsters currently own? Anyone know?

Also any massage parlors?

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Re: Things that just don't happen anymore in the mafia [Re: RushStreet] #1049840
01/28/23 05:08 AM
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What I know as of recently which isn’t very recent.
The Gambino’s got busted on a couple of cases in BensonHURST.

Sony Juliano’a son in law I believe a few years back got pinched with an online prostitution ring.
Pretty big case, he is a capo with a big crew he has big cash has been around forever old school.
Was on the panel recently not sure if he still is.
He is on one side of 18th Ave.

On the other side of 18th Ave, the Sicialns, there was a bust with again the Gambino’s they teamed up with Russians they were bringing young girls into the country and having pay of their debt by working in the strip club and If I remember correctly working as prostitutes.

Again pretty big case.

Other than that I do not know for sure any longer just not into that scene any longer.

My opinion is that anyone that is in that business Strip clubs needs some form of protection they need someone they can turn to if they have problems and LCN is traditionally who they would turn to.

We don’t have a biker presence for the most part and gangs really aren’t that organized to handle
Something like this, plus what business man would feel comfortable doing business with a “ Gang Banger”

Re: Things that just don't happen anymore in the mafia [Re: RushStreet] #1050013
01/29/23 11:21 PM
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Is witness protection really needed anymore, beyond a few years?

Massino seems like the only one who may still need it.

WP in 1970’s
1. Lifetime housing
2. Government stipend

WP in 2023
1. 5 years housing
2. Your own Youtube channel

Re: Things that just don't happen anymore in the mafia [Re: RushStreet] #1050014
01/29/23 11:32 PM
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Depends who you fucked over or testified against in court.

For example hypothetically say you are a mob guy and you whack a high ranked member of a cartel or a cartel knows you know too much. That would be a death sentence with a need WP.

I’m actually surprised Tommy Pitera never got whacked over fucking those Colombians and stealing their coke. What was it like 20 Kilos or something along that number?

Re: Things that just don't happen anymore in the mafia [Re: RushStreet] #1050015
01/30/23 12:46 AM
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Pitera isn't the type to hide in witness protection. And this is America, no single criminal group is all-powerful, anyone can get fucked over with no repercussions. Maybe the Colombians aren't always as badass as they're made out to be.

Re: Things that just don't happen anymore in the mafia [Re: Liggio] #1050024
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Originally Posted by Liggio
Pitera isn't the type to hide in witness protection. And this is America, no single criminal group is all-powerful, anyone can get fucked over with no repercussions. Maybe the Colombians aren't always as badass as they're made out to be.


Oh trust me I know Pitera wasn’t that type. But we also both know many would have gone into hiding over something like that considering the paranoia. I’m sure he heard word on the street that Colombians were looking for the guy that did it.

Re: Things that just don't happen anymore in the mafia [Re: RushStreet] #1050124
01/31/23 12:55 PM
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I think pretty much any legit business guy involved with the mob these days is more willing associate than extortion victim.

Re: Things that just don't happen anymore in the mafia [Re: RushStreet] #1050160
01/31/23 04:28 PM
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For the most part however, the last stronghold is really Staten-Italy, if they know who you are for a long time and you are Italian, more so in certain industries, they will still try to make a move on you.

Not on someone they don’t know or isn’t Italian.

Re: Things that just don't happen anymore in the mafia [Re: Fleming_Ave] #1050164
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Originally Posted by Fleming_Ave
I think pretty much any legit business guy involved with the mob these days is more willing associate than extortion victim.



It is and I think always has been, with exceptions back in the prohibition days.

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