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Lucchese crime family Working with Chicago Outfit #1048358
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Seeing Red In Chicago: Lucchese Underboss Working With, Not Against Outfit Leaders In NYC Crime Family’s Midwest Rackets

https://gangsterreport.com/seeing-r...rs-in-nyc-crime-familys-midwest-rackets/

January 15, 2023 — Reputed Lucchese crime family underboss Patrick (Patty Red) Dellorusso has joint rackets in the Chicago area operating in tandem with the top levels of the Outfit brass, per multiple sources.

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Re: Lucchese crime family Working with Chicago Outfit [Re: RushStreet] #1048388
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Interesting to say the least,...ive always liked Patty Dellorusso...wonder if bullets would fly tho if ever such a power move would be taking.

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Originally Posted by SonnyfromPeoria
Interesting to say the least,...ive always liked Patty Dellorusso...wonder if bullets would fly tho if ever such a power move would be taking.


It’s funny how we have people out there who think the Mob is on a respirator. It’s very comical to say the least. Just because you don’t hear about hits anymore means Jack shit brother.

Re: Lucchese crime family Working with Chicago Outfit [Re: RushStreet] #1048418
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Rush, you're exactly right. To further prove that point, I've posted current photos of well-dressed mob guys and I've had people ask, "What year was this?" They think it's from decades ago. I by no means think that they are anywhere near as powerful as they used to be, but their downfall has been GREATLY exaggerated.

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Rush i agree.....im curious since it says there sharing money with Cicero if its Jimmy Inendino who is dealing with Patty directly or i wonder who it is that Patty has dealing with Cicero...

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thx for posting all the Outfit related stuff! interesting to see how this all plays out

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Originally Posted by Kese
thx for posting all the Outfit related stuff! interesting to see how this all plays out


Agree and no problem at all. It’s nice to see some new Outfit stuff being covered that’s for sure.

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Originally Posted by SonnyfromPeoria
Rush i agree.....im curious since it says there sharing money with Cicero if its Jimmy Inendino who is dealing with Patty directly or i wonder who it is that Patty has dealing with Cicero...


I wonder the same thing. It is cool to know the Luccheses and the Outfit have a good solid relationship.

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Loving these articles.

Re: Lucchese crime family Working with Chicago Outfit [Re: RushStreet] #1048515
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- can find info that dellorusso was imprisoned for the time period 1994-2004...however using the FEDERAL inmate locator it would appear that he never served FEDERAL time. so dellorusso was imprisoned in a state prison although which one i am not sure. it was not a ny state one as his name also does not show up?

-have found info that michael sarno was arrested in 1990, sentenced august 18 1993 to 6.5 years. it appears he was out on bond in period 1990-1993. sarno and others were indicted again jan.22 1993 on different charges and convicted of such in 1996. sarno then was indicted before sentence on original 1990 charges. therefore would have still been awaiting sentence not already sent off to any FEDERAL pen. when all was said and done sarno was finally released from all of these charges october 20 1999. i can find no info where sarno did his time.

-delaurentis was imprisoned from 1993 up until his release on mar 22 2006. the only records i can find was that one of the FEDERAL prisons he spent time at if not all was fci elkton in ohio.

conclusions:
-so there is a 3 year window where these 3 men could have crossed paths (1996-1999) if we believe that sarno was only FEDERALLY imprisoned post 1996.
-there would then be a further window of 5 years (1999-2004) where only dellorusso and delaurentis could have crossed paths. but no info where dellorusso served time.
-i don't believe that authorities in chicago would have detained sarno out of state leading up to his 1996 conviction on racketeering where he was sentenced to FEDERAL time.its possible sarno was already in A FED prison after 1993 sentence but seems odd if he was re indicted on diff crimes in same city. sarno and delaurentis were both indicted in feb 1990 where delaurentis was sentenced to FEDERAL time in 1993. it would also seem unlikely that sarno and delaurentis would end up at same facility considering others in same feb 1990 indictment were sent elsewhere.

robert bellavia-fci pelkin,ill.
rocco infelise-fci el reno,oklahoma
louis marino-fci oxford,wisconsin
robert salerno-fci greenville,ill.

-the 4 above as well as delaurentis quite possibly spent time in other facilities but i cant find where.
-so if anyone out there has proof that dellorusso served time with either sarno or delaurentis that could prove part of the above story otherwise that slim connection is baseless to proving a current alliance between these 2 crime groups. there would also be the fact that historically the outfit and lucchese family have NEVER worked together,been indicted together or for that matter is there any proof of the outfit working with any of the other ny based crime families.
-vincent faraci once worked at crazy horse too in las vegas...sorry.

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Well, there's no indictment where the Chicago Outfit was charged with Genovese members either, but yet there's a photo of Outfit boss Tony Accardo and Genovese captain Gaetano Ricci together. That's what I don't understand about some of you, because there's no indictments or charges it didn't happen? Where's the logic in that?

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indictments being a part of my argument. "IF" any activity existed between the outfit and the ny families would it not have come to light by now? since 1931 until now there would have been something come up no? with all the cooperating members out of ny in just the past 20 years nothing. even just since the cooperation of a made member of the lucchese family john pennisi. a guy who was on the street when the lucchese family shook up its admin in 2017 and dellorusso is alleged to have become underboss...nothing.

outside of indictments the main thesis of his article was that this alliance was made while dellorusso and sarno or dellorusso and delaurentis never specifies who, were imprisoned together. but gives absolutely no proof that any combination of these 3 men were ever incarcerated together in the same prison. when dellorusso,sarno and delaurentis went away they all held the rank of soldier in there respective families. dellorusso still held rank of soldier in 2004. i have no idea when or if he became a capo. sarno i dont believe ever attained a rank in chicago higher than soldier despite all claims to the otherwise. sarno ran and was indicted,convicted and sentenced as being the leader of a street crew in chicago. he was not indicted as the BOSS of the outfit,street boss,underboss,capo whatever. law enforcement would have been singing from the rooftops if they had taken down THE BOSS of the outfit. no mention in sarnos indictment about a alliance with the lucchese or dellorusso. so there is a possibility that this alliance was not in place between 2004-2008. i would think if it was and there was even tacit proof it would have been mentioned and become internet mafia gossip along time ago.

so i suppose then this pact was made between dellorusso and delaurentis? is there a picture of the 2 of them in the can?
-is there any evidence at all of the cicero crew of the outfit ever having dealings with the lucchese vario crew?
-delaurentis has been described as a respected member of the outfit. he was imprisoned in 1993 sentenced to 18.5 years. he served 13 years never saying a word. i cant believe that delaurentis would have risked his freedom by even being seen with at the time a member from a crime family that in the time period 1999-2004 was riddled with indictments and rats. of all the times in the outfits history it would pick that period to make an alliance with the 4th ranked family out of new york just makes no sense.
-and for what? what is to gain by the outfit for such an alliance currently with the lucchese? again this is not mentioned in the article. the outfit needs help from the lucchese to collect debts and run its sportsbook?
-and what is this mention of a couple of irish guys???

finally delaurentis did not replace sarno as boss/acting boss because sarno was not the BOSS or acting boss. i finish on this...does this sentence make sense at all with how the chicago outfit operates..."OUTFIT BOSS ARRESTED WITH MEMBER OF OUTLAWS MC"??? when has this ever happened to another BOSS. accardo,aiuppa,cerone,carlisi,difronzo take yer pick. NO BOSS/#1 OF THE OUTFIT would be regularly meeting and committing crimes with a full patch member of the outlaws mc. a chapter president well maybe but not just a full patch.

and where is the logic in just believing any of these articles recently published and not questioning some of it? burnstein has put out alot in last couple days and we r just supposed to nod and say oh yeah right again man. no sources,no pics,no documents,no indictments,no cooperating witness,no confirmation from other reliable sources. un named sources is all we get. so pardon my questioning of all that i've posted on but for many reasons they have no basis in reality and some sound made up to get subscribers.

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Yeah, I have to agree with you, we should press him for more details for sure. Sorry if I came across as a jerk.

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all good liggio.
i'm trying to take a different route when researching looking into all these families. trying to weed out what is known against what is speculation gone haywire. some of the info that gets reported across the board is mind boggling. i know indictment are not proof either way but i find them a valuable resource compared to some of the stuff on the big scary interweb.

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A few things that catch my eye from this article:

Says that the Lucchese Family was extorting Teamsters union local 705 in Chicago, I would think that would require some sort of interaction between the two groups.

Says that Dellorusso became acquainted with members of the Outfit in the 1980s. This would put those ties between them long before their 1990s prison time.

According to the article, before it was even written, there were rumors that Dellorusso was making a power play in Chicago by having some of his men there. What are the sources of these rumors? Apparently the author isn't the only one who reported on a Lucchese presence in Chicago.

I don't know what to believe, but have fun with that.

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Many guys in the Teamsters knew each other, Hoffa had build a great union.


"The king is dead, long live the king!"
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local 705 was based in chicago but overlapped with 2 other locals at laguardia in ny. 705 is now crime free by looks of there website and doesnt look like they had many problems since 1993 case.

as far as where the lucchese in chicago rumor started i got nothing, cant find anything but burnsteins article.
and yes after a re read it does state dellorusso had connections in 80's to outfit.

back to the google machine then.
thx liggio.

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It would be something if we found out that he’s making all of this up for subscribers, sounds like lawsuit material.

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Lmao wouldn’t that be fuckin hilarious!!!

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Let me add my two cents in this from experience. The only family in New York, that I’ve ever heard from a connected guy doing business with Chicago is the Genovese. They were on very good terms with Anthony “Fat Tony” Salerno.

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Originally Posted by VitoCahill
and where is the logic in just believing any of these articles recently published and not questioning some of it? burnstein has put out alot in last couple days and we r just supposed to nod and say oh yeah right again man. no sources,no pics,no documents,no indictments,no cooperating witness,no confirmation from other reliable sources. un named sources is all we get. so pardon my questioning of all that i've posted on but for many reasons they have no basis in reality and some sound made up to get subscribers.


That's what I've been saying. He loves sprinkling in a few details here and there to give his articles some meat. As I said the other day there's a reason he's the only one writing these things anywhere.

- Sure there's a little something left in Kansas but do I believe Philly is there working hand in hand? No
- Is it possible the outift has made some guys in the last 20 years of course but did they double or triple in size from the 28 members? No way

It's a miracle gangstereport has all of a sudden received all these juice exclusive stories just as they added a paywall. I know Scott Burnstein is Jewish but he must have some Irish guys behind him to get this lucky

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P.D. Def did fed time in the 1990’s.

The federal inmate locator isn’t 100%

I have searched for personal friends in the past that I knew did federal time and the years and it came back with no hit.

It is rare but it did happen.

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I mean, think about it, if you start a paid prescription website on the mob, nobody wants to subscribe to read about a dead mob, unless they're solely interested in its history but that gets boring after a while. This guy is very likely making this shit up. We need to call him out directly, and make him verify his information.

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Originally Posted by Liggio
I mean, think about it, if you start a paid prescription website on the mob, nobody wants to subscribe to read about a dead mob, unless they're solely interested in its history but that gets boring after a while. This guy is very likely making this shit up. We need to call him out directly, and make him verify his information.


That’s the last thing you want to do to get answers. What you need to find is someone on the inside who can verify if his articles are true, embellished etc.

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Other than ramblings on here I have never heard anything negative about the guy.

This is a TOUGH CROWD…

Capeci gets ripped apart even though he prob knows more in NYC mafia than anyone or as much as anyone else.

What Burnstein done specifically?

From what I can see this is his livelihood he is a respected author and his blog appears to be 2nd only to Gangland News.

Out of all the blogs and websites and podcasts which is a decent amount in my opinion he has one of the best.

Our very own NYMafia is up there as well however, he only writes on historic events not current not the same.

I think all successfull writers add some fluff to the story.
It makes it more interesting.

So you have Capeci that covers NY and you Burnstein that covers mode(( tfr3e3s

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whatever happened to capecis breaking story last year about dennis delucia being a rat???
delucia was alleged to be a capo, then he was a rat then the story vanished??

i agree about the inmate locator its not definitive but seemed like a good place to start search on prison angle.

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He retracted it within hours of posting and admitted his info was wrong. Maybe he slipped up and revealed something he wasn't suppose to. Delucia never was indicted even though both of his sons were involved in the union and the one was the treasurer and neither one of them was indicted either.

Capeci wrote that delucia was going around telling everyone not to believe anything they hear about him in the next couple days so unless capeci made that up it looks like delucia was tipped off about the article somehow

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maybe a question for another thread but is delucia a capo or soldier? or after the retracted story is it possible he has been shelved?
either way the colombos are a mess leadership wise lately. must be a lot of acting positions from underboss on down.
again perhaps for another thread...WHO DA BOSS now? maybe ill wait for burnsteins next breaking op ed.

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We don't know if there's any truth to capeci's article that he retracted. I don't think he's shelved but I bet guys are cautious around him now. He was a capo and there's no way to know if he's been demoted recently.

The leadership is probably Teddy as Boss and Cambria or Russo Acting Boss or even a panel with those two being on it. Maybe JoeWaverly finally got that bump up everyone was so sure he was going to get when he was released

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The Tie That Binds Goes Through Cicero: Business Between Chicago and NY’s Lucchese Mob Run By Jimmy I, Sally Cards

January 18, 2023 — The Chicago Outfit-Lucchese crime family connection is centered out of Cicero, per sources. Outfit underboss James (Jimmy I) Inendino is Lucchese underboss Patrick (Patty Red) Dellorusso’s point of contact in the Windy City for the Lucchese’s Midwest sports book and myriad of white-collar rackets Dellorusso shares with mob bosses in Chi-Town, these sources say.

Dellorusso recently met with Salvatore (Sally Cards) Cataudella, Jimmy I’s acting underboss when he is indisposed, in Florida to talk shop, one of these sources claims. A small crew of mob associates from Chicago look after Patty Red’s interests in the Midwest, but Patty Red himself doesn’t come to town much and if he needs to get word to Jimmy I or Sally Cards, he uses his people in Illinois or meets them in Florida, sources allege.

In the 1990s and 2000s, Dellorusso did prison time with Inendino, reputed Chicago mafia don Salvatore (Solly D) DeLaurentis and jailed former Outfit acting boss Michael (Fat Mike) Sarno and developed deep ties to the mobbed-up Chicago labor unions in the 1980s when he oversaw air-freight shakedowns and hijackings at New York airports on behalf of the Luccheses. The 61-year old New York underboss is barred from membership or affiliation with the Teamsters union after his 1993 bust for labor racketeering.

According to sources, DeLaurentis green-lit the business relationship between the Outfit and Dellorusso, who is alleged to have been upped to the Lucchese’s No. 2 slot in 2017 in a bloodless coup, upon his grabbing the reins of the Chicago mob more than a decade ago. DeLaurentis, 83, does very little heavy lifting leadership wise, instead deferring day-to-day duties to Jimmy I and his street boss and Grane Avenue skipper Albie (The Falcon) Vena, according to sources on both sides of the law.

Patty Red’s main men in Chicago, reportedly an Irish guy named “Patrick” and an Italian guy named “Joe,” touch base with Inendino once a month at a string of currency exchanges he can be seen visiting throughout an average day, per sources. Dellorusso visited Chicago in the Christmas 2021 season and huddled with Inendino and other Outfit heavies in the backroom of a swanky Rush Street restaurant. Cataudella’s crew of younger Cicero goodfellas’ liaise with Patty Red’s guys if any day-to-day troubleshooting is needed on the Outfit’s side of the relationship.

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