I have a question; Are sicilian guys considered made if they got their button in Sicily and transferred themselves to a American LCN family?

A special case would be Rosario Gambino; He was made in Sicily in the early 1960’s.. and came to America with his brothers.

Was he considered a made guy in the Gambino Family or was he just a special case and allowed to “do whatever he wanted”

Are Sicilian made guys still considered made or did they have to partake in the Made ceremony in America?

Would love some responses!!

Want to bump this topic;

i think if they are transferred they needn't a new ceremony of initiation

When there was more interations with mob and mafia eas clear that a man inducted in Sicily was recognized as a made man.
Now instead not all the sicilians that come to US is made in Sicily like the D'Annas that was made in Detroit.

Only one of the Pittsburgh guys I knew was Sicillan, Charlie Murgie. He was Consignliere and his Farther immigrated to the US as a Black Hander.
I belie Charlie was made in the US when Pittsburgh sent him to Warren, as the proprietor of the Sunrise Inn, to watch over their interests in The Jungle Inn

Rosario Gambino was not made in the Gambino family, his brothers Joe and John were.
Some Sicilians in the US never made a switch and still answer to Sicily.

@Hollander

That’s true; Rosario Gambino was never made in America but was he still considered a “Made guy” in the Gambino Family when he left Sicily and came to America??

Carlo Gambino; Paul Castellano; John Gotti left him (Rosario) alone…. He was allowed to deal drugs in Jersey and Philly territory (Angelo Bruno allowed it)

This is my opinion but Rosario Gambino is one of the most interesting and most powerful mob guys that I’ve read about….

Had backing from Sicily/Gambino’s and the NY families.. He was well liked…

He was simply “Left alone to do whatever he wanted”

Would love other thoughts and opinions!

One other question;

Who are some other 1970’s/1980’s era mob guys who were “made” in Sicily? And we’re transferred to one of the 5 families (Gambino’s/Lucchese/Colombo’s:Genovese’s/Bonanno’s)

Guys who were made in Sicily and continued to hold that status in one of the 5 families… when they came to America.

I don’t know of any besides Rosario Gambino.

Rosario naimo was a man of honour from the Tommaso Natale-Cardillo Mafia family that later became part of San Lorenzo family but according to his own statements switched to the Lucchese family.

@Hollander

Are there any charts or anything to verify his claim of transferring to the Lucchese’s;

IDK. There was only one case in the US in 1990 with other Sicilian.

Giuseppe GAMBINO, a/k/a "Joe," Rosario Naimo, a/k/a "Saro," a/k/a "Don Saro," a/k/a "Sarino," a/k/a "Sal," a/k/a "Casimiro DiLorenzo," a/k/a "Barry Beiner," Lorenzo Mannino, a/k/a "Lore," Francesco Inzerillo, a/k/a "Frank," a/k/a "Ciccio," Matteo Romano, Emanuele Adamita, a/k/a "Manuele," a/k/a "Mario DiLorenzo," a/k/a "Stephan Milazzo," Joseph Larosa, a/k/a "Little Joe," a/k/a "Cardillo," Salvatore Lobuglio, a/k/a "Toto," a/k/a "the engineer," Giuseppe D'Amico, a/k/a "Pino," a/k/a "Joe," Salvatore D'Amico, Francesco Cipriano, a/k/a "Frank," a/k/a "Ciccio," a/k/a "Francino," Salvatore Candela, a/k/a "Toto," Paolo D'Amico, Carmelo Guarnera, and John Doe, a/k/a "Sasha," Defendants

Naimo has been a fugitive since and was arrested in Palermo, Sicily on October 27, 2010. He was 65 years old at the time of capture. After his arrest he started to collaborate with the Prosecutors Office in Palermo.
There he would reveal his Lucchese membership and talked about a mafia hit in which he was involved in NY I forgot the name of the victim but it was a big hit team of luccheses/gambinos..

interesting thing...Totò Riina asked Naimo to kill John Gotti and Rudolph Giuliani but Naimo refused it

I wasn't aware of Riina wanting to hit Gotti lol.

If that is true, Riina seemed very conflicted. Talk about a pair of opposites, Guilianni and Gotti!

Knowing Riina if he would really kill Giuliani and Gotti he should sent bunch of killers until he reach the his objectives.

that's what Naimo said in his declarations, anyway it was a difficult target even for Riina to kill them in the United States

That's sounds fake to me. Why would Riina want to kill John Gotti ? None of them was interfering in the other's business.

The only beef i could see Rinna having against Gotti would be about the Cherry Hill Gambinos and the Inzerillos but it's nothing that couldn't be worked out.

Gotti was also under constant FBI surveillance after his first trial.

Naimo said that Riina wanted to kill Gotti because the latter killed Castellano without permission, and that Riina also wanted to interfere in the dynamics of the American Cosa Nostra.

I don't believe that. Not for a minute. Riina, as a member of the Sicilian Mafia, would have absolutely zero influence and desire, to bother with American CN dynamics. Not to mention the fact that at that time he had more than enough trouble in his own backyard of Sicily. This was just another "fake news" report put out by the media and law enforcement to a gullible public.

it is not "fake news" i heard Naimo declarations on youtube and he said it, of course Naimo could cheat about it... Naimo also added Riina was a fool because of this lol

Naimo is a rat who (of course) wanted to enhance his status to make himself seem more value to International and Federal Law Enforcement. Like I stated (for the reasons I listed) its all BS. Cosa Nostra in Italy, and vice-versa in America, have absolutely zero influence or say in one another's underworld "politics" and decisions. THATS a well-worn fact.

One more point I'll also make to you m2w that I think might help to convince you even more.

Paul Castellano's "Gambino Family" backed and protected a Sicilian-born group called "The Cherry Hill Gambino's" after they were being decimated in a years conflict they had back in Sicily that eventually had spilled into America with a rival Mafia faction headed by Toto Riina.

The American Gambino Family sent word to Riina in Sicily to please rescind "murder contracts" on John, Joe, and Rosario Gambino, and by extension, many of their followers. Riina agreed to do so as a "courtesy" to Castellano and the Gambino Family under the "promise" and "agreement" that the Gambino brothers would never again return back to Sicily to either live or operate rackets.

Do you REALLY think that Riina would have given a rats ass when Castellano was later killed by a member of Castellano's own family? Castellano and the Gambino Family basically had interceded and stuck their nose in Riina's business. Riina was NOT thrilled with that agreement, but had gone along for the sake of "face" and accommodations to the Americans.

Thank you for posting that Hollander.

Naimo do say that Riina asked him to kill Gotti but i find it hard to believe for the reasons stated above. His story doesn't sound right.

Zavattoni, I apologize for responding to your post so late. I intended to respond to your question earlier but have been preoccupied these last days.

The proper answer to your very interesting question is that guys "made" on the other side, in Italy or Sicily, are NOT "officially" recognized as "made" members in America by Families in the U.S.

They are afforded "respect" as connected guys. And obviously goodfellas over here understand that they are recognized back in Italy as "made," but "technically" speaking they are only considered "associates" of the American Families.

And if, and when, they have a serious "beef" requiring a "table" with a made member of a NYC family, or another family throughout the country, that Sicilian mafioso has to reach out to his "guy," his American counterpart, for representation to speak for him at that table.

And vice-versa, the same holds true for an American Mafia member who spends time in Italy/Sicily. He is considered an "associate," not a member of the Sicilian Mafia.

I've read that Sal Catalano and Cesare Bonventre, Sicilian "Zips" in the Bonanno family, were, respectively, considered acting boss and caporegime in the Seventies. I assume they were made in Sicily, and while I don't know it they were "remade" in the US, I have to assume that they wouldn't have risen so high without being considered more than just "associates." NYM??

Absolutely correct Turnbull.

Both Sal Catalano and Cesare Bonventre were "men of honor" back in Sicily, but were "re-inducted" into the Bonanno Family as Bonanno members by Carmine Galante when they came over. Subsequently they became soldiers in the Bonanno Family which enabled them to then rise higher within the hierarchy.

The same can be said for numerous others that you've read about in various American families. Especially NY's Bonanno and Gambino clans.

Hey NYM, thanks for the great info.

Just a quick question about those re-inductions. Are they more like a formality or do these guys have to be treated as other associates? As in, their name would get passed around etc (what was standard for that time I suppose).

Thanks!