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Re: Iran Group Recruiting Suicide Bombers
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12/02/04 11:28 PM
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Originally posted by Patrick:
DC--Don't back out of this debate. You entered it, now reply to the other 4 paragraphs from that post. Listen to me kid, don't you go and tell me what I have to reply to! You are the one who twists things around and avoids the issues at hand! Just look at how you totaly avoided the titled issue of this thread! You never ever addressed the real question here, and you've constantly twisted around my questions to you without really answering them! Proof being that now you've managed to turn this issue into a totally different debate regarding school vouchers and Clinton, and whatever else that you can think of to avoid the real issue. I've paid you many compliments in the past, and have even reached out to you on many occassions. But you continually twist and turn any issue that comes your way, and then you have the nerve to disrespect me by demanding that I answer the parts of your posts that you want me to answer! You've cried to me several times that you wish that some would respect you the way that I have, but you don't know how to debate and show respect at the same time! You really need to go out into the real world for a while, and experience life first hand! Maybe then you will grow up and realize that everything in life is not cut and dry or black and white! Maybe then you will have aquired the ability to "LISTEN and LEARN" before opening your little mouth! Yes Pat, my final conclusion is that while I understand that you are too young right now to see things first hand for yourself, I also see that you refuse to try and learn form others who've tasted life a little more than you have! Don Cardi 
Don Cardi Five - ten years from now, they're gonna wish there was American Cosa Nostra. Five - ten years from now, they're gonna miss John Gotti.
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Re: Iran Group Recruiting Suicide Bombers
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12/03/04 02:06 AM
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Frustrating, isn't it?
As for FDR, he was a great man and a great President. He wasn't by any means the best-- his economic programs didn't do a whole lot to improve the economy. WWII single-handedly spiked the economy to the prosperity experienced thereafter. Eisenhower and Reagan were the greatest Presidents from FDR on. FDR was the last great Democrat President, Truman being the last good Democrat President.
"Today I settled all family business, so don't tell me you're innocent, Carlo-" Michael Corleone
"I punks ed i gruppi ed i rappers moderni hanno avuti timore migliore il sole aumentante di questa cosa di il nostro."
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Re: Iran Group Recruiting Suicide Bombers
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12/03/04 08:08 AM
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Originally posted by Don Cardi:
[quote]Originally posted by Patrick:
[b] DC--Don't back out of this debate. You entered it, now reply to the other 4 paragraphs from that post. Listen to me kid, don't you go and tell me what I have to reply to! You are the one who twists things around and avoids the issues at hand! Just look at how you totaly avoided the titled issue of this thread! You never ever addressed the real question here, and you've constantly twisted around my questions to you without really answering them! Proof being that now you've managed to turn this issue into a totally different debate regarding school vouchers and Clinton, and whatever else that you can think of to avoid the real issue. I've paid you many compliments in the past, and have even reached out to you on many occassions. But you continually twist and turn any issue that comes your way, and then you have the nerve to disrespect me by demanding that I answer the parts of your posts that you want me to answer! You've cried to me several times that you wish that some would respect you the way that I have, but you don't know how to debate and show respect at the same time! You really need to go out into the real world for a while, and experience life first hand! Maybe then you will grow up and realize that everything in life is not cut and dry or black and white! Maybe then you will have aquired the ability to "LISTEN and LEARN" before opening your little mouth! Yes Pat, my final conclusion is that while I understand that you are too young right now to see things first hand for yourself, I also see that you refuse to try and learn form others who've tasted life a little more than you have! Don Cardi [/b][/quote]I've answered EVERYONE of your questions!  EVen some MORE then once! You just can't handle responding to my comments. No, you don't 'pick what you want to respond to.' That further shows that you have no true idea of what is even going on, so stop trying to back down. Reply to the paragraphs or I will definetly know that you can't back yourself up.  -Pat
"After every dark night, there's a bright day right after that. No matter how hard it gets, stick your chest out, keep your head up, and handle it." -Tupac Shakur
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Re: Iran Group Recruiting Suicide Bombers
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12/03/04 08:09 AM
12/03/04 08:09 AM
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Originally posted by Signore Sole Aumentante:
Frustrating, isn't it?
As for FDR, he was a great man and a great President. He wasn't by any means the best-- his economic programs didn't do a whole lot to improve the economy. WWII single-handedly spiked the economy to the prosperity experienced thereafter. Eisenhower and Reagan were the greatest Presidents from FDR on. FDR was the last great Democrat President, Truman being the last good Democrat President. FDR was the greatest President. -Pat
"After every dark night, there's a bright day right after that. No matter how hard it gets, stick your chest out, keep your head up, and handle it." -Tupac Shakur
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Re: Iran Group Recruiting Suicide Bombers
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12/03/04 08:10 AM
12/03/04 08:10 AM
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Originally posted by Don Cardi:
[quote]Originally posted by Patrick:
[b] So you think we should line up captured insurgents (who are no longer a threat) and shoot them ? -Pat Why Not? We could rid the world of these Insurgent Terrorists one by one and hopefully once and for all! Terrorists have absolutely NO RIGHTS whatsoever! They are not Soldiers, defending or fighting for a country! They are Extremist Terrorists whose mission is to fight, disrupt and murder all that do NOT agree with thier beleifs! They do not belong to a specific country or government and therefore have absolutely NO RIGHTS under any Geneva accords! You damn well better believe that I support our interogating these scumbags! If the information we can get out of them can lead us to an Usama Bin Laden or any other terrorist cell for that matter, and it disrupts or thwarts a planned attack by these terrorists, then I am definately for interrogating and if need be killing them to wipe out thier kind and save mankind at the same time! Don Cardi [/b][/quote]What do you mean 'why not?' They're human beings!
"After every dark night, there's a bright day right after that. No matter how hard it gets, stick your chest out, keep your head up, and handle it." -Tupac Shakur
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Re: Iran Group Recruiting Suicide Bombers
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12/03/04 03:50 PM
12/03/04 03:50 PM
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This thread has degraded so much...it's hilarious to sit back and watch.  The best are these "threats," and a slew of other rather amusing musings, as if somehow we're going to lose something by not refuting: You dug your own hole. Answer the question and don't say you were being facetious or put a sarcastic remark. You posted it and I replied, so answer You're not getting out of the questioned I asked you, BTW, so I expect a reply. That's now 2 posts that you've drifted off topic and refused to answer the present topic. Don't back out of this debate. You entered it, now reply to the other 4 paragraphs from that post. The bolded paragraphs are ones that you neglected to respond to. Ok, I really don't know why you compared Bush and Clinton. I have a very biased view of the economy Why don't you come down to my city some time? I'll show you how fair and balanced the burbs and city is. I've answered EVERYONE of your questions! EVen some MORE then once! You just can't handle responding to my comments. That further shows that you have no true idea of what is even going on, so stop trying to back down. Reply to the paragraphs or I will definetly know that you can't back yourself up. A rather menacing little bugger, isn't he? :p
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Re: Iran Group Recruiting Suicide Bombers
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12/03/04 05:43 PM
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Originally posted by Patrick:
[quote]Originally posted by Don Cardi:
[b] [quote]Originally posted by Patrick:
[b] So you think we should line up captured insurgents (who are no longer a threat) and shoot them ? -Pat Why Not? We could rid the world of these Insurgent Terrorists one by one and hopefully once and for all! Terrorists have absolutely NO RIGHTS whatsoever! They are not Soldiers, defending or fighting for a country! They are Extremist Terrorists whose mission is to fight, disrupt and murder all that do NOT agree with thier beleifs! They do not belong to a specific country or government and therefore have absolutely NO RIGHTS under any Geneva accords! You damn well better believe that I support our interogating these scumbags! If the information we can get out of them can lead us to an Usama Bin Laden or any other terrorist cell for that matter, and it disrupts or thwarts a planned attack by these terrorists, then I am definately for interrogating and if need be killing them to wipe out thier kind and save mankind at the same time! Don Cardi [/b][/quote]What do you mean 'why not?' They're human beings! [/b][/quote]HAAAAA!!! Human Beings? They are murderers! Terrorists! They are there to kill your fellow human beings! They want to take over Iraq and make it a safe haven for Terrorists, then they want to come here and blow your little behind up! Kill your family! Kill us all! Don't label them human beings! :rolleyes: You know who were human beings? The 3000 innocent people who left to go to work, or go on vactions, etc. on the morning of Sept. 11th 2001, but never got a chance to see thier loved ones again because they were murdered by the people that you claim are human beings!!!!! Pat, when are you going to wake the hell up and realize that those scumbags from that region of the world hate our guts! They are f**K**g nomads without a country! They are not HUMAN! They are scumbag cold blooded cowardly murderers! Wake up! My God! You are so blind! Don Cardi
Don Cardi Five - ten years from now, they're gonna wish there was American Cosa Nostra. Five - ten years from now, they're gonna miss John Gotti.
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Re: Iran Group Recruiting Suicide Bombers
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12/03/04 06:10 PM
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Originally posted by Don Cardi:
[quote]Originally posted by Patrick:
[b] [QUOTE]Originally posted by Don Cardi:
[qb] [QUOTE]Originally posted by Patrick:
[qb] you have no true idea of what is even going on, so stop trying to back down. -Pat Patrick, when you experience what I have in my life, then you can tell me that I have no idea what is going on! You are not even out puberty, so don't talk to me about knowing what's going on! I hope that you never have to see in person, what I saw in person three years ago. Go read my post from that day and then maybe you will understand why I feel so strongly and am so against anyone who supports or defends terrorists! Don Cardi [/b][/quote]Stop with the petty insults, DC. How in the world can you say that I support terrorists? First you accuse me of not supporting our troops and now you accuse me of supporting terrorists? What is going through your mind? Why should a terrorist who is in custody and is no longer a threat be a subject to sexual abuse and other types of abuse? -Pat
"After every dark night, there's a bright day right after that. No matter how hard it gets, stick your chest out, keep your head up, and handle it." -Tupac Shakur
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Re: Iran Group Recruiting Suicide Bombers
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12/03/04 08:03 PM
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Originally posted by Patrick:
How in the world can you say that I support terrorists? First you accuse me of not supporting our troops and now you accuse me of supporting terrorists? What is going through your mind? Why should a terrorist who is in custody and is no longer a threat be a subject to sexual abuse and other types of abuse? -Pat [/QB][/QUOTE] Why should a terrorist in custody who is no longer a threat be subject to sexual abuse and other types of abuse? Because they are animals who blow up children, fly planes into buildings, hide in mosques, kill our soldiers, blow up train stations, shoot school children, behead innocent people, kill innocent people, kill innocent people and kill innocent people. DO you want me to keep going and give you more reasons? As for supporting terrorists, I am not accusing you of that, I really don't have to! You yourself have shown your support of them by stating that they are Human Beings!!!  You said that, I didn't! When you post that when they are caught and no longer a threat and therefore should be treated with respect, YOU in saying that must support them and feel sorry for them! Bottom Line Pat : I HAVE NEVER SEEN YOU POST A THREAD SHOWING YOUR SUPPORT FOR OUR SOLDIERS, SHOWING THAT YOU FEEL BAD FOR OUR SOLDIERS, or SHOWING THAT YOU ARE DISGUSTED WITH THE BRUTAL SLAYING OF OUR SOLDIERS!!!! Yet, you have posted threads that have included pictures of our soldiers shooting a terrorist, and you have shown your disgust with that! You have posted about how our soldiers are mistreating the terrorists in captivity. Pat, all you ever do is try to show a negative side to our troops, and try to make people feel sorry for terrorists! The proof is in your own posts and responses! Anytime a political thread has been made on these boards, you have always managed to mangle it, twist it, voice your opinion, and always seem to trash your own government and it's soldiers! When the board member from Iran posted that she would resort to terrorist activies, you did not seem to open your trap to her about that kind of a statement. But as soon as someone posts a story about an American soldier, you are quick to denounce the soldiers actions, or rip the story apart if it is in a positive light. Your actions speak for themselves! Case in point : Today terrorists attacked Spain  . Yet I have not seen you start a "Pat's Volume 7695440 Terrorists Blow Up Spain Thread!" But if there was a charge of terrorist abuse by the coalition forces, you can be damn sure that a "Pat's Volume 7695440 Coalition Forces Abuse Prisoners" thread would be started! Pat, your record speaks for itself! I am afraid that if you continue on your path, you just may grow up to be another Terry Nichols or a Timothy McVeigh! God Forbid! You should really go back and read ALL of yur controversial posts with an open mind, and you will see for yourself that you have never shown any support for your own country and it's soldiers! Don Cardi
Don Cardi Five - ten years from now, they're gonna wish there was American Cosa Nostra. Five - ten years from now, they're gonna miss John Gotti.
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Re: Iran Group Recruiting Suicide Bombers
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12/04/04 12:21 AM
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Not in my recollection, but then again, I'm the one who glosses over the facts, has a massive superego (or, actually, it would be my id :p ), and refuses to answer any of Patrick's questions because I obviously am not intelligent enough to debate with him; I clearly need to take his advice and buy Hooked on Phonics right away, as well as go out and visit the Clinton library.  I'm sure the librarians there put out, if Clinton has anything to do with it.
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Re: Iran Group Recruiting Suicide Bombers
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12/04/04 12:51 AM
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Here's something I found when surfing Snopes.com tonight...I think it's a nice, relevant portrayal to this discussion...  Charlie Daniels, famed musician, writes regarding his Guantanamo Bay trip.
I've just returned from the Guantanamo Bay (Cuba) Naval Air Station base where we did three shows for the troops and toured several locations around the post visiting with some of the finest military personnel on planet earth.
The kids seemed to really enjoy the shows and especially liked "This Ain't No Rag, It's A Flag" and "In America." We had a great time with them.
We saw Camp X-Ray - where the Taliban detainees are being held - only from a distance, but I picked up a lot of what's going on there from talking with many different people.
The truth of the matter is that this operation is under a microscope. The Red Cross has an on-site presence and watches everything that goes on very closely.
The media is not telling you the whole truth about what's going on over there. The truth is that these scum bags are not only being treated humanely, but they are probably better off health-wise and medically than they've ever been in their lives. They are fed well, able to take showers and receive state-of-the-art medical care. And have their own Moslem chaplain.
I saw several of them where they were being treated in a state-of-the-art medical facility.
Now let's talk about the way they treat our people. First of all, they have to be watched constantly. These people are committed and wanton murderers who are willing to die just to kill someone else. One of the doctors told me that when they had Talibans in the hospital the staff had to really be careful with needles, pens and anything else which could be used as a weapon. They also throw their excrement and urine on the troops who are guarding them. And our guys and gals have shown great restraint in not retaliating.
We are spending over a million dollars a day maintaining and guarding these nasty killers and anyone who wants to see them brought to the U.S.A. for trial is either out of their heads or a lawyer looking for money and notoriety. Or both.
I wish the media and the Red Cross and all the rest of the people who are so worried about these criminals would realize that this is not a troop of errant Boy Scouts. These are killers of the worst kind. They don't need protection from us, we need protection from them.
If you don't get anything else out of this soapbox, please try to realize that when you see news coverage much of the time you're not getting the whole story, but an account filtered through a liberal mindset with an agenda.
We have two fights on our hands, the war against terror and the one against the loud-mouthed lawyers and left-wing media who would sap the strength from the American public by making us believe that we're losing the war or doing something wrong in fighting it. Remember these are the same people who told us that Saddam Hussein's Republican guard was going to be an all but invincible enemy and that our smart bombs and other weapons were not really as good as the military said that they were.
They also took up for Bill Clinton while he was cavorting around the Oval office with Monica Lewinsky while the terrorists were gaining strength and bombing our Embassies and dragging the bodies of dead American heroes around the dusty streets of Somalia.
It's a shame that we can't have an unbiased media who would just report the truth and let us make up our own minds. Here I must commend Fox News for presenting both sides much better than the other networks.
They are leaving the other cable networks in the dust. People want to be told the truth. Our military not only needs but deserves our support. Let's give it to them.
The next time you read a media account about the bad treatment of the Taliban in Cuba, remember what I told you. Been there, done that.
Footnote: I got an e-mail from a rather irate first cousin of mine the other day who has a daughter who's a lawyer, and she seemed to think that I was painting all lawyers with the same brush. Please understand that I'm not doing that at all. That would be like saying that all musicians were drug addicts. There are a lot of good and honest attorneys out there. I happen to have one of them. But it seems that they never get any airtime. It's always the radicals who get their opinions heard, who fight the idea of the military tribunals and cite The Constitution and the integrity of America as the source for justifying their opinions.
Well, first of all The Constitution says, "We the people of the United States," it doesn't mention any other country. And, secondly, as far as integrity is concerned, I don't think some of these folks would know integrity if it bit them in the posterior. - Charlie Daniels Regards, Double-J
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Re: Iran Group Recruiting Suicide Bombers
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12/04/04 01:23 AM
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You must admit that anyone that can recruit suicide bombers is a hell of a great recruiter!
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