When people say the Mafia, in general, was more organized and proficient than black/hispanic street gangs, how much of this is actually true versus how much of it is somewhat tinted by racism to some extent. I'm not saying there isn't any legitimacy to those claims but i have seen some people use it as a sort of racial way like "oh italians are just smarter people" etc. etc.

if we take chicago as an example some street gangs there have tight links to the sinaloa cartel for supply of drugs on a massive scale unlike the outfit. mostly this is a case of the outfit NOT being involved in street level drug dealing. none the less in chicago much like los angeles street gangs of both black and hispanic ethnicity have shown the ability to forge tight alliances with some of the worlds most powerful drug cartels. los angeles has no mafia family currently and even back into the 80's when the mafia was last prominent street gangs both black and hispanic were long dominant throughout the city.

on the other hand if we take the city of ottawa in canada it also has NO mafia family,crew,cell nothing going on. there are claims that the city has around 600 gang members divided along bloods/crips lines. so you would think with no italian mafia the gangs would reign supreme. in ottawa you couldnt find a more disorganized low level group of fake wannabe rapper gang bangers if u tried. this is not a racist screed its just that in ottawa the alleged gang culture/problem is non existent. compared to any U.S. city or toronto,montreal and vancouver ottawa is as light weight as it comes.

in montreal the mafia and HA are shared #1 in power in the city and it is only some of the street gangs that r smart enough to align with them.

Off course there are black/hispanic that are organizated enought to make hundred milions with drugs,launder it and invest in legit.
But the difference is in the hierarchy: boss,underboss,capo ecc is equal in all the clans,second is the operate in 2 worlds:corrupts judges,cops ecc but also elect politicians at high level positions and so one.
I never heard of a black/hispanic oc gruop that controlled an union,controlled a big bank or create a Commission for settle the disputes.
Thats the great differences.

I don't know why people keep comparing the Mafia to the drug world, one of the mob's biggest attractions is that their rackets are/were so far-flung and diversified. Imagine how boring they'd be if they were strictly a drug organization.

Hispanic gangs were very organized and many still are, The ones that just do street gang drive-by shootings or random violence are not in that group. In America there are all sorts of organizations that get little attention. If we look at Mexico and South America they make the American Mafia look small time. They not only have drugs, but human trafficking, prostitution, and shoplifting rings. Asian gangs have made millions, possibly billions off of counterfeit goods. That's on top of drugs, smuggling, and again prostitution. One of the biggest money makers is identity theft and fraud, which is worldwide, Asia (Especially India) seem to be in the lead there. Eastern Europe is a close second, the American Mafia is way behind.

scammers speed on:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=le71yVPh4uk

This one is even better

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EapyNrHp9xo&t=25s

The Italian Mafia, the actual Italian Mafia in Italy that is, makes the American Mafia look small-time as well as many other groups you mentioned. Why are we comparing groups from other countries anyway? Completely different laws, law enforcement agencies, cultures, and governments.

I didn't know we were restricted to just the USA. I included those groups because they operate here. The scammers in those 2 videos go after Americans, and the Cartels and others operate here. The street gangs are in with them. I specified that I did not mean the idiots running around shooting randomly at innocent people or just doing small time things.

street gangs have not the longetivity of the mafia, not even cartels... i think it is because of mafia organization/structure in the US they have not politcs connections anymore but they are still active, so it is their organization that make them lasting

The thing is with the few cities that they're still present, the Mafia is deeply rooted for over a century now. They're extinct in most cities where they had a presence, but it's due mostly to a lack of recruitment to replace outgoing personnel. As long as they're still making guys, we're going to have La Cosa Nostra.

There are of course non-italian criminal organizations of black and hispanic descent that are supremely organized...i was referring more to street gangs like Bloods, Crips etc.

The mafia is like a freemasonry of crime. In Italy, Freemasonry and the mafia also overlap historically: the Sicilian mafia has its origins in the Masonic secret societies.

In Italy they are almost the same, freemasonry being real power of the mafia.

Yeah it's also white-collar crime the grey area between upperworld and underworld.

Can't believe that there's people here who believe that the Nigerian gangs there are more powerful or will ever be more powerful than the Sicilian Mafia.

The Nigerian Mafia work for the Mafia or the Camorra. In Campany they are confined in Castelvolturno where sell drugs,are active in prostitution and other small crime and must pay tribute to Casalesi or will be whacked.

Bro.... why do yall be acting so slow? This is why people don't come on here as much. I said if you wanna compare the Italian mafia to a black gang, then pick something comparable. Like the Nigerian gangs in In Italy indicted for Mafia association. All that means is that they consolidated enough organizational and economic strength to transcend simple street crime. And be categorized as OC. It's fucking annoying and tiresome how defensive you guys get over this shit. As if the regular Italian people will see Nigerian immigrants in the same way as they see ruling Italian family clans, as psuedo- feudal lords.. As if a Nigerian immigrant could ever control the VOTE of an area. The insecurity is just irritating...

You got or rather had.. the GDs, who operate in half the States, have a hierarchy, rules of conduct, a Board of control... it's always Blood and Crips.
And they have never actually done anything, really.....

All I was saying was this happened..

The Nigerians are the first foreigners to be prosecuted under Italy's anti-mafia laws. In 2007, 20 Nigerian men were convicted in Turin for crimes dating back to 1999.

In 2016, 17 Nigerian men were arrested in Palermo and charged with being members of the mafia.

nigerian cults are something more of simple black gangs, they are a sort of mafia-type organization with a hierarchy, rituals and strong political connections in Nigeria
in Italy and abroad they are involved mostly in street stuff (drug dealing, prostitution) and internet frauds, they have not politics links so they are by far weaker than local criminal groups

Yep the strange thing is those cults originated in universities dotted across Nigeria.