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The John Scalish Family of Cleveland... #1041233
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The Mafia borgata controlling the State of Ohio oversaw a far-flung and lucrative rackets operation generating untold millions annually....Giovanni (John Scalish) Scalici was its most notorious and storied leader!

https://thenewyorkmafia.com/the-scalish-family-leadership-chart/

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A very unique article featuring their entire inducted membership, as well as hundreds of their more significant criminal associates, and a pictorial mugshot gallery for over 70 of their key members spanning a seventy-year period!

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Re: The John Scalish Family of Cleveland... [Re: NYMafia] #1041259
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268 Mafia figures are listed (including many lesser known mob guys), with 71 accompanying photographs (many of which are rare).

Re: The John Scalish Family of Cleveland... [Re: NYMafia] #1041261
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I knew two of the Cleveland guys, Ron Carabbia and Tony Delsanter. Liked both of them, especially Tony who was close with Charlie Murgie.


"Never walk in a room that you don't know how to get out of"- Henry Zottola
Re: The John Scalish Family of Cleveland... [Re: Friend_of_Henry] #1041271
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Originally Posted by Friend_of_Henry
I knew two of the Cleveland guys, Ron Carabbia and Tony Delsanter. Liked both of them, especially Tony who was close with Charlie Murgie.


Yeah, they were two of Cleveland's major players. Back then, the Scalish Family had a relatively large and powerful crew as well.

Re: The John Scalish Family of Cleveland... [Re: NYMafia] #1041273
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I also knew Pat Ferruccio who I belie started out in Cleveland. I met him after he switched over to Pittsburgh.
I believe he was also involved with Henry in the Rincon River Oaks Casino deal that the Feds interrupted ;-)


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Re: The John Scalish Family of Cleveland... [Re: Friend_of_Henry] #1041304
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Originally Posted by Friend_of_Henry
I also knew Pat Ferruccio who I belie started out in Cleveland. I met him after he switched over to Pittsburgh.
I believe he was also involved with Henry in the Rincon River Oaks Casino deal that the Feds interrupted ;-)


Yes, during my research about this crew I observed that Ferruccio was very close to many of Cleveland's guys. To the point that it was said he originally operated "with" them, before later realigning with Pittsburgh. But even afterwards he always maintained warm relations and connections with the Scalish/Licavoli Family.

Re: The John Scalish Family of Cleveland... [Re: NYMafia] #1041323
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John Scalish was a interesting mob boss that in SOME ways was similar
To John LaRocca of Pittsburgh.
Scalish always perfered not to use violence to solve any issues.
He was not a impulsive, pull the trigger, ask questions later kind
Of boss.

One reason (or reasons )why I think Scalish kept the family membership small
was due to on going health issues starting in his late 40s
And let's be honest keeping the made men in his family to
A low count meant a bigger share of the profits for him
And his small circle trusted senior members.

I don't ever recall reading or hearing about any attempt made
To have Scalish removed as boss at any time .
Scalish knew sharing the wealth and letting others earn was
A sensible way to keep peace

He made so much money he let Angelo Lonardo and Tony Panzarella over see and
Control the numbers racket. Panzarella was also I think engaged
To Scalish's daughter at one time.

Before Scalish died in May 1976 , he was already contemplating stepping
Down as boss of the family. After Frank Brancato died in 1973
Scalish started to let other senior members make more decisions
And was content to go into semi retirement.

It's my opinion he wanted Angelo Lonardo to take over.Maishe Rockman
Knowing James Licavoli was ignorant to mafia protocols
Would be easier to influence pertaining to the LV skim and
Pulling the strings who would leading the Teamsters.
Angelo Lonardo in my opinion was no fan of Bill Presser or Jackie.

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^ Good Stuff...Thanx


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Re: The John Scalish Family of Cleveland... [Re: Augustus] #1041340
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Originally Posted by Augustus
John Scalish was a interesting mob boss that in SOME ways was similar
To John LaRocca of Pittsburgh.
Scalish always perfered not to use violence to solve any issues.
He was not a impulsive, pull the trigger, ask questions later kind
Of boss.

One reason (or reasons )why I think Scalish kept the family membership small
was due to on going health issues starting in his late 40s
And let's be honest keeping the made men in his family to
A low count meant a bigger share of the profits for him
And his small circle trusted senior members.

I don't ever recall reading or hearing about any attempt made
To have Scalish removed as boss at any time .
Scalish knew sharing the wealth and letting others earn was
A sensible way to keep peace

He made so much money he let Angelo Lonardo and Tony Panzarella over see and
Control the numbers racket. Panzarella was also I think engaged
To Scalish's daughter at one time.

Before Scalish died in May 1976 , he was already contemplating stepping
Down as boss of the family. After Frank Brancato died in 1973
Scalish started to let other senior members make more decisions
And was content to go into semi retirement.

It's my opinion he wanted Angelo Lonardo to take over.Maishe Rockman
Knowing James Licavoli was ignorant to mafia protocols
Would be easier to influence pertaining to the LV skim and
Pulling the strings who would leading the Teamsters.
Angelo Lonardo in my opinion was no fan of Bill Presser or Jackie.




For me a choice good on short period and bad in long period.
Dont made new blood took to old wiseguys that in Cleveland case cant read of a binch of irishmen and must call a hitmen from outside to salve the problems.
And if Lonardo was so true lcn why flipped in 1982?
Another thing is that strong fbi operation can easly almost disband a small family.

Re: The John Scalish Family of Cleveland... [Re: furio_from_naples] #1041341
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Originally Posted by furio_from_naples
Originally Posted by Augustus
John Scalish was a interesting mob boss that in SOME ways was similar
To John LaRocca of Pittsburgh.
Scalish always perfered not to use violence to solve any issues.
He was not a impulsive, pull the trigger, ask questions later kind
Of boss.

One reason (or reasons )why I think Scalish kept the family membership small
was due to on going health issues starting in his late 40s
And let's be honest keeping the made men in his family to
A low count meant a bigger share of the profits for him
And his small circle trusted senior members.

I don't ever recall reading or hearing about any attempt made
To have Scalish removed as boss at any time .
Scalish knew sharing the wealth and letting others earn was
A sensible way to keep peace

He made so much money he let Angelo Lonardo and Tony Panzarella over see and
Control the numbers racket. Panzarella was also I think engaged
To Scalish's daughter at one time.

Before Scalish died in May 1976 , he was already contemplating stepping
Down as boss of the family. After Frank Brancato died in 1973
Scalish started to let other senior members make more decisions
And was content to go into semi retirement.

It's my opinion he wanted Angelo Lonardo to take over.Maishe Rockman
Knowing James Licavoli was ignorant to mafia protocols
Would be easier to influence pertaining to the LV skim and
Pulling the strings who would leading the Teamsters.
Angelo Lonardo in my opinion was no fan of Bill Presser or Jackie.




For me a choice good on short period and bad in long period.
Dont made new blood took to old wiseguys that in Cleveland case cant read of a binch of irishmen and must call a hitmen from outside to salve the problems.
And if Lonardo was so true lcn why flipped in 1982?
Another thing is that strong fbi operation can easly almost disband a small family.

What year did they close the books ...was it 63 or 64??
So up until 1963 ish , Cleveland had medium Sized but
Strong family. I think it was 50 made guys and many associates.
After Appalachian and Valachi , Scalish I think was only concerned
With the short term and in his mind the most logical replacement for him
Was Lonardo given Lonardo's resume and how respected he was nationwide

Why did Ange flip..I think cause he was bitter when Rockman
Lied about Scalish saying he wanted Jack Licavoli to be the boss.
Number 2, Licavoli choose Leo Moceri to be the underboss over Lonardo
So right there Big Ange is disrespected in 2 cases

Ange I think while he did get rich from the narcotics
The Cleveland Outfit got into , I don't think he gave his approval
To venture down that road.Ange was very old school
Old school to the point he told Rockman to find the door
When it came to discuss certain family matters
And lastly Ange was facing life in prison.
I don't think he could trust anyone to make sure his
Wife Mary was taken care of if he was locked up.
Tronolone was the boss and he ran the family from Miami
Ange put his wife above the family.
Easy choice.

If Ange was made boss in 1976 I think the family could
Still be around today

Re: The John Scalish Family of Cleveland... [Re: NYMafia] #1041343
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How is Scaliisi and Scalish pronounced?

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Originally Posted by BarrettM
How is Scaliisi and Scalish pronounced?


SCALICI...... "Scaa Lee Cee"

SCALISH.... "Skaay Lish"

Re: The John Scalish Family of Cleveland... [Re: Augustus] #1041347
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Tronolone was the boss and he ran the family from Miami
Ange put his wife above the family. Easy choice.

Augustus the same Tronolone commonly called Peanuts?


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Originally Posted by Friend_of_Henry
Tronolone was the boss and he ran the family from Miami
Ange put his wife above the family. Easy choice.

Augustus the same Tronolone commonly called Peanuts?



Yes Peanuts.....I think Lonardo flipped then The Genoveses
Put Tronolone in charge. He was the de facto boss.
But Peanuts was in charge of a very reduced crew
Joe Loose, Pappalardo. Allie, Peter Sanzo, Billy DeNova
Joe Spags...I think Tony Lib was locked up

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Originally Posted by Augustus
Originally Posted by furio_from_naples
Originally Posted by Augustus
John Scalish was a interesting mob boss that in SOME ways was similar
To John LaRocca of Pittsburgh.
Scalish always perfered not to use violence to solve any issues.
He was not a impulsive, pull the trigger, ask questions later kind
Of boss.

One reason (or reasons )why I think Scalish kept the family membership small
was due to on going health issues starting in his late 40s
And let's be honest keeping the made men in his family to
A low count meant a bigger share of the profits for him
And his small circle trusted senior members.

I don't ever recall reading or hearing about any attempt made
To have Scalish removed as boss at any time .
Scalish knew sharing the wealth and letting others earn was
A sensible way to keep peace

He made so much money he let Angelo Lonardo and Tony Panzarella over see and
Control the numbers racket. Panzarella was also I think engaged
To Scalish's daughter at one time.

Before Scalish died in May 1976 , he was already contemplating stepping
Down as boss of the family. After Frank Brancato died in 1973
Scalish started to let other senior members make more decisions
And was content to go into semi retirement.

It's my opinion he wanted Angelo Lonardo to take over.Maishe Rockman
Knowing James Licavoli was ignorant to mafia protocols
Would be easier to influence pertaining to the LV skim and
Pulling the strings who would leading the Teamsters.
Angelo Lonardo in my opinion was no fan of Bill Presser or Jackie.




For me a choice good on short period and bad in long period.
Dont made new blood took to old wiseguys that in Cleveland case cant read of a binch of irishmen and must call a hitmen from outside to salve the problems.
And if Lonardo was so true lcn why flipped in 1982?
Another thing is that strong fbi operation can easly almost disband a small family.

What year did they close the books ...was it 63 or 64??
So up until 1963 ish , Cleveland had medium Sized but
Strong family. I think it was 50 made guys and many associates.
After Appalachian and Valachi , Scalish I think was only concerned
With the short term and in his mind the most logical replacement for him
Was Lonardo given Lonardo's resume and how respected he was nationwide

Why did Ange flip..I think cause he was bitter when Rockman
Lied about Scalish saying he wanted Jack Licavoli to be the boss.
Number 2, Licavoli choose Leo Moceri to be the underboss over Lonardo
So right there Big Ange is disrespected in 2 cases

Ange I think while he did get rich from the narcotics
The Cleveland Outfit got into , I don't think he gave his approval
To venture down that road.Ange was very old school
Old school to the point he told Rockman to find the door
When it came to discuss certain family matters
And lastly Ange was facing life in prison.
I don't think he could trust anyone to make sure his
Wife Mary was taken care of if he was locked up.
Tronolone was the boss and he ran the family from Miami
Ange put his wife above the family.
Easy choice.

If Ange was made boss in 1976 I think the family could
Still be around today




The books was closed in 1956/1957 and Lonard flipped because he get a heavy sentence for drug trafficking but he said that "he never wanted to sell drug" anyway he doesnt want to die in jail,that's all.


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