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Joe C gets beat up at wake on Mikey Nose orders #1037850
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Anyone heard this? Jerry Capeci is talking about it in this week's gangland lol. Apparently Joe C turned the tables on his former friends when some biker associates of his came to his aid. This is what the mob is today ladies and gentlemen. Attacking people at wakes

Re: Joe C gets beat up at wake on Mikey Nose orders [Re: ralphie_cifaretto] #1037851
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Johnny Joe's kid was apparently one of the attackers. They all got fucked up though lol. How embarrassing. Johnny must be fuming

I do know one thing. There will be an answer. There's NO WAY Mike will let this slide. His ego is too fragile

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Re: Joe C gets beat up at wake on Mikey Nose orders [Re: ralphie_cifaretto] #1037853
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Vito Grimaldi died and Cammarano was ordered not to go to the wake. Cammarano and his brother Dino attended anyway, bringing friends from the Crazy Pistons Bikers Club with them.

John Spirito Jr punched Cammarano in the mouth and knocked him out as he was approaching the casket. Then the bikers intervened and gave a beating to Spirito, Ernie Aiello, and John Sciremammano.

Re: Joe C gets beat up at wake on Mikey Nose orders [Re: ralphie_cifaretto] #1037854
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Huh isn't Vito his father in law? This cant be right. For the first time in 14 years I feel the need to subscribe to Jerrys website

Re: Joe C gets beat up at wake on Mikey Nose orders [Re: ralphie_cifaretto] #1037855
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Yeah, Grimaldi was the father-in-law. Probably why Cammarano felt the need to attend despite being told not to

Re: Joe C gets beat up at wake on Mikey Nose orders [Re: ralphie_cifaretto] #1037856
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It comes down to how reliable is Capeci's story is. He obviously got it from a source that is on one side of the dispute, or LE trying to stir up something. Capeci has always played both sides.

Re: Joe C gets beat up at wake on Mikey Nose orders [Re: ralphie_cifaretto] #1037860
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Wow. That is an incredibly sad humiliation for the Bonanno crime family; on two levels: first there's the fact they'd go about it this way in the first place: at a funeral??? You have to be kidding me, the old dons would be spinning in their graves.

But to not be successful in executing this outrageously amateur plot? That's sacrilegious. Mancuso's dumb idea just emboldened ever biker club in North America not to feel intimidated by LCN.

A motorcycle club takes on one of the storied five families and wins??

Unthinkable that this situation would exist even 10 years ago.

There are apparently no depths to which the Bonanno's can't sink.

Re: Joe C gets beat up at wake on Mikey Nose orders [Re: ralphie_cifaretto] #1037863
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'Shelved' Wiseguy Assaulted At A Wake Allegedly On Orders From His Mafia Boss Turns The Tables On His Attackers And Leaves Several Bonanno Mobsters Battered And Bloodied

It was a Mafia-style, funereal smack down to wake the dead.

Standard mob protocol calls for mourners to park their grievances and rivalries at the funeral parlor door when attending a fellow mobster's wake. But that sensible old school rule was tossed aside last week when Bonanno boss Michael (Mikey Nose) Mancuso dispatched a trio of thugs to bust up the wake of the father-in-law of ex-acting boss Joseph (Joe C) Cammarano, Gang Land has learned.

The Bonanno tough guys triggered a major brouhaha at a Long Island funeral home when they attacked Cammarano as he approached the casket in full view of other family members of the deceased. The attack quickly went south for the Bonanno boys, however, when a swarm of bikers came to the aid of Cammarano, a longtime motorcycle enthusiast.

Sources say that Cammarano, 62, his brother Dino, 63, and the bikers who came to Joe C's aid, left at least a trio of Bronx-based mobsters, capos John (Johnny Mulberry) Sciremammano, 65, Ernest (Ernie) Aiello, 42, and soldier John Spirito, Jr. 40, bloodied and battered on the floor of the funeral parlor when they left.

Sources say the dispute goes back to 2019, when Mancuso got his nose out of joint about trial testimony disclosing that Cammarano had tried to get family capos to anoint him as "official" boss in 2017 while Mikey Nose was behind bars. The sources say Mancuso banned Joe C from showing up at the wake for his dad-in-law, Vito Grimaldi — and ordered a crew of loyalists to make him suffer the consequences if he didn't heed the boss's directive.

But when the dust settled at the Dodge-Thomas Funeral Home in Glen Cove, it was the Bonanno crime family that paid a heavy price for what was an unprecedented and hard to fathom move by an apparently insecure Mafia boss. Back in 2019, Cammarano was "shelved" by Mancuso — i.e. relieved of all his mob rights and privileges — for his efforts to take over the beleaguered bourghata in 2017. Mancuso, who took over as official boss in 2013, made Joe C his acting boss in 2015.

The late Vito Grimaldi, like his-son-in-law, was also shelved, essentially a defrocked mobster. But he was still a very valuable guy as far as Mancuso was concerned, sources say. That's because he opened Grimaldi's Home Of Bread, the legendary Ridgewood Queens bakery in 1959, and until he died at age 82, was paying a tribute to the Bonannos.

The bakery is operated today by Grimaldi's three children, Joseph, Margherita, and Angela Cammarano, their spouses, and his grandchildren, according to its website. Grimaldi' son Joseph is also an inducted soldier who was placed on a shelf in 2019 along with his dad, and Joe C, and former consigliere, John (Porky) Zancocchio, after Cammarano and Zancocchio were acquitted of racketeering charges. The Grimaldis did not return a Gang Land call, but the regular mob tribute is likely to continue.

Mancuso, who completed a 15-year sentence for a 2004 mob rubout a day before Cammarano and Zancocchio won a stunning acquittal on racketeering charges in March of 2019, "is still pissed that Joe C tried to take over the family when he was in prison," a law enforcement official told Gang Land. When Grimaldi died on July 15, the source said, "Cammarano was explicitly told, 'Do not come to the wake.'"

"I categorically deny the allegation" that Mikey Nose ordered a beating of Joe C, said attorney Stacey Richman, who represents Mancuso for violating his supervised release (VOSR) for meeting with two Colombo mobsters and Bonanno soldier John (Bazoo) Ragano several times between August 2020 and June 2021. That VOSR, which was lodged against him in March, is still pending.

Law enforcement and underworld sources each say the decision by Cammarano to openly defy the boss's order and retaliate the way he did, "cries out" for a violent response by Mancuso if he hopes to retain the loyalty of the mobsters who obeyed his orders, and if he wants to maintain any credibility with the rest of his bourghata as well as the other New York crime families.

That's especially true since Joe C "belligerently" disobeyed an order "by bringing outsiders, bikers, into the mix," said one underworld source. "That's like saying, 'Fuck you. I go where I want. And if you try to stop me, I'll kick you in the balls.' This is a very volatile and dangerous situation."

Two law enforcement sources told Gang Land that even though the Commission has essentially banned mob rubouts since the mid-1990s, they say a violent response against Joseph and Dino Cammarano by the Bonanno family "is a real concern." Mancuso has stated, said one law enforcement source, that but for the Commission edict, Joe C would have been whacked for what he did in 2017.

"If there is a Bonanno family," the underworld source cracked, "the administration is in a pickle."

But this source, as well as others on both sides of the law, voiced surprise that Mancuso ordered Cammarano to be beaten since he was paying his respects to his father-in-law, and they have both been on the "shelf" since 2019.

"This kind of conduct by a boss is unheard of — telling a guy he can't come to his father-in-law's wake. They should have worked it out diplomatically to avoid this kind of a fiasco," the source continued.

This source opined that Mikey Nose has to shoulder much of the blame for the beating his guys took for ordering the "unheard of" assault against a wiseguy at a wake, and he may be pressured to forget about it by his Cosa Nostra peers.

"Since Joe C was told not to come and still came, this is a direct challenge though, and it's a big problem for the Administration," he said. "The way it stands now," he said, "their guys were beaten up for enforcing an order from the boss against a shelved guy, so something has to be done. If nothing is done, it's a disgrace. And if something is done, it's a federal case."
"It's hard to predict whether there will be retaliation," said one law enforcement source. "A violent reaction would have been a knee-jerk response a few decades ago, but the mob has stopped whacking people these days," the source said. "But that is still a fear," he added.

The last so-called "sanctioned" mob hit, of former Purple Gang leader Michael Meldish, took place nine years ago, in 2013. Just last week, former FBI supervisor Bruce Mouw stated in a New Yorker piece that mobsters are "still doing the beatings and the strong-arm stuff. But, as far as mob hits, they're not happening.”

A veteran mob lawyer who has represented mobsters from all five families said a "sensible" solution would be for the Commission to "put the whole Bonanno crime family on the shelf," similar to what the Commission did in 1981 when it took away the family's Commission vote when FBI agent Joe Pistone posed as a jewel thief and ran with them for five years.

But "sensible" doesn't always come into play when Cosa Nostra is concerned.

Like their late wiseguy father, the Cammarano brothers are both motorcycle aficionados, and longtime riders. But sources say that most of the bikers who came to Joe C's aid were buddies of Dino Cammarano, a longtime member of the Crazy Pistons Bikers Club of Brooklyn, which is not alleged to be one of the scores of so-called "outlaw" motorcycle clubs across the country.

Sources say that when Joe C approached the casket where Grimaldi was laid out on Tuesday July 19, Spirito Jr., backed up by a handful of mobsters, "punched him in the mouth and knocked him down," and began to pummel him when bikers wearing suits who accompanied Joe C into the wake immediately came to his aid when the fisticuffs began and pulled Spirito off him.

"In a flash, another dozen bikers who were outside in a truck rushed in and started beating the crap out of all the Bonannos who were in the funeral home," said one longtime mob associate who told Gang Land he got the details from "someone who was there."

"I don't know if they (the bikers outside the Dodge-Thomas facility) saw or heard or were called in by Joe C or Dino but they charged in and wiped the floor with the Bonannos, and then they walked out," said the source.

Guy Minutoli, the funeral director who owns the Dodge-Thomas funeral home told Gang Land that he "heard about" the fisticuffs but was "in an out" of the funeral parlor during the one-day, 4 PM to 8 PM wake for Grimaldi and "wasn't there for that."

"It wasn't my funeral. I didn't handle it," said Minutoli, explaining that the Grimaldi family "called this other director who they were friends with" and "they just rented my building. I'm out of it."

He declined to identify the director, he said, "because he told me to keep it confidential." Minutoli also declined to describe the damage to the place, before he stated, "I heard about it, it was squelched right away. How did you find out about it," and hung up the phone.

Grimaldi was laid to rest on July 20 at St. Charles Cemetery in Farmingdale following a funeral mass as St. Rocco's Church in Glen Cove, where he lived for years, and where his son-in-law still resides.

Re: Joe C gets beat up at wake on Mikey Nose orders [Re: ralphie_cifaretto] #1037864
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Haven’t posted in long time but on this one I had to! So my girlfriend was there! She is also friendly with Joey grimaldi’s wife so she went to pay her respects. I can tell you that she called me immediately after it happened and what jerry wrote about today was not at all what she had told me happened. She told me camarano caught it pretty good and that they even knocked down one of those fake walls they use in wakes you separate the rooms, she said Dino joe’s brother did nothing, a biker did try to jump in but he got hit immediately when the 2 groups were separated some yelling back and forth went on and then the bonanno guys hit another biker on their way out . All that about these guys getting beat up and left on the floor I guess jerry added for ratings or he’s getting his info from someone on camarano’s side but according to my friend the bonanno guy got the best of camarano and the bikers . I’m sure we will hear more about this and find out the truth eventually

Re: Joe C gets beat up at wake on Mikey Nose orders [Re: eastsideofvan] #1037865
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Originally Posted by eastsideofvan
Wow. That is an incredibly sad humiliation for the Bonanno crime family; on two levels: first there's the fact they'd go about it this way in the first place: at a funeral??? You have to be kidding me, the old dons would be spinning in their graves.

But to not be successful in executing this outrageously amateur plot? That's sacrilegious. Mancuso's dumb idea just emboldened ever biker club in North America not to feel intimidated by LCN.

A motorcycle club takes on one of the storied five families and wins??

Unthinkable that this situation would exist even 10 years ago.

There are apparently no depths to which the Bonanno's can't sink.


The bikers never feared the mob,in 1984 the Pagans forced Scarfo sr to pay medical bills of a biker that was punched by Merlino's father. They shoot over 200 bullets against Merlino house and Scarfo sr doesnt retaliate.
Now what should do Mancuso? Order to kill the bikers,come on the feds would be happy if this thing would happen.

Re: Joe C gets beat up at wake on Mikey Nose orders [Re: furio_from_naples] #1037866
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looks like the story is changing already, capeci updated his story to say that aiello may not have even been there.


Sources say that Cammarano, 62, his brother Dino, 63, and the bikers who came to Joe C's aid, left at least a trio of Bronx-based mobsters, capos John (Johnny Mulberry) Sciremammano, 65, Ernest (Ernie) Aiello, 42, and soldier John Spirito, Jr. 40, bloodied and battered on the floor of the funeral parlor when they left. (Shortly after today's column was published, Gang Land was told that Aiello denied being there that night. "I absolutely had nothing to do with it," he stated. Gang Land was not there. But our sources say that one of the assaulters sure looked like Aiello.)

Re: Joe C gets beat up at wake on Mikey Nose orders [Re: ralphie_cifaretto] #1037867
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I think there is so much about this that we simply don't know. Ernie Aiello has a reputation for assaulting people, but I still have a hard time believing he was there. Or the others for that matter. Johnny Mulberry is 65-years-old and a captain. Maybe they were all there, but this just doesn't add up.


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To bad for the Bonanno family because Joe C would be much better in charge then this whack job Mancuso.

Re: Joe C gets beat up at wake on Mikey Nose orders [Re: Scalish] #1037872
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Totally agreed. Only the Bonanno's in their degraded, post-Massino state could have been willing to make an incarcerated woman killer its official boss. His every action seem to re-confirm just how bad a choice he was.

You'd have to wonder whether Joe C wouldn't come back under a different boss. The guy seems to be LCN to the core. The fact he'd disobey Mancuso's order on being at this funeral too shows how little Mancuso is feared and respected, at least by Cammarano.

He must have balls of steel.

Originally Posted by Scalish
To bad for the Bonanno family because Joe C would be much better in charge then this whack job Mancuso.


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Re: Joe C gets beat up at wake on Mikey Nose orders [Re: ralphie_cifaretto] #1037874
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He is cut from a good cloth his father was a stand up guy

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Originally Posted by jace
It comes down to how reliable is Capeci's story is. He obviously got it from a source that is on one side of the dispute, or LE trying to stir up something. Capeci has always played both sides.


As I said....

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The story will keep unraveling. I wonder if there were any bikers involved, or just regular people. That is, if there was even a fight. I think that scene from the Bronx Tale has led to all these fake Bikers ads Mafia stories.

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Re: Joe C gets beat up at wake on Mikey Nose orders [Re: ralphie_cifaretto] #1037885
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My experience with Capeci is his articles are mostly true.

It must be very hard coming out with original content every week after week.
Especially now when LITERALLY every "TOM, DICK AND HARRY" has a "MOB-CAST"

He is as good as his sources, who else even comes close to he?

I have seen him very quick to print a retraction when he gets something wrong.

He clearly has peeps on the inside as he publishes new articles, week after week and has been doing so for many, many, many years.
Truth be told there inst really that much going on in today's LCN environment.

If this was in the 70's/80's/90's they would have been waiting for Joe C as he left OR on his way in and....... "ba beep, Ba Beep, BA BEEP- THAT'S ALL FOLKS"
Their family would have gotten a TWO-FOR SPECIAL PRICE...
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Re: Joe C gets beat up at wake on Mikey Nose orders [Re: ralphie_cifaretto] #1037886
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If this is true,there's all kinds of unanswered questions.

1) The Crazy Pistons are a Brooklyn based Club. They wear an MC cube on the back of their colors,but do not fly a 1% diamond,therefore, they are not considered an OMG (outlaw motorcycle gang).
2) They are almost entirely comprised of African Americans,yet Cammarano is described as a "long-time member"
3) Their bottom (territorial) rocker says N.Y. Ghettos.

So,are we to believe that a pissant MC decides it would be a good idea to bust up a Mob funeral ?

Mind you.this would be pretty much suicide for any group,but given the traditional sentiments between the Mafia and Blacks,how in the world will this go unanswered.?
I'm curious to see how this story plays out over the coming weeks.

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What's hard to believe, that 14 guys can't beat up 4-6 guys, half in their 60's ??

Mob guys have been beaten before..Look at John Gotti, and he had to pay for protection so he wouldn't get his ass kicked again...

What's an embarrassment is if they just don't respond like the Gambino's never did after the albanians beat and stripped Joe Gambino, with no retaliation at all

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Originally Posted by DiLorenzo
What's hard to believe, that 14 guys can't beat up 4-6 guys, half in their 60's ??

Mob guys have been beaten before..Look at John Gotti, and he had to pay for protection so he wouldn't get his ass kicked again...

What's an embarrassment is if they just don't respond like the Gambino's never did after the albanians beat and stripped Joe Gambino, with no retaliation at all


Wasnt Joe Gambino stripped by albanians but a non italian white man that was friend of the italians and after all they assaulted the albanians as retaliation.

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What is Mancuso thinking? Something about this does not seem right. Joe C being ordered not to attend Vito Grimaldi's wake? I get the feeling that that order did not come from Mancuso, but from Johnny Joe. Now there is history between Joe C and John Spirito Jr, so I dont doubt violence erupted. John Spirito Jr is known to hold his own. Johnny Mulberry getting into a fight? No way, if anything remotely comes close to that is that Sciremammano was in the middle before John punched Joe and was pushed. The biker gang is not an outlaw gang, it does have some fighters in its ranks. Joe C is affiliated with that gang because of his brother Dino who is the opposite of his brother, so no way do I see Dino jumping in. Joe C is ordered not to attend but shows up to pay his respects, no surprise there as he always had balls and grit. Where was Joe Grimaldi? If the Bonanno administration is really trying to unite the family, they would have made sure that every made member that was family of Grimaldi would show up regardless of being shelved or not. Any mob related business would be done in private with the shelved members told they could not go into a certain area at the time. It seems like the Bronx faction is flexing way too much. If that is the case then that faction does not have or feel like they dont have enough protection to hold the reigns.

Now here are the main things to think about.
1. Why would Mancuso make a stupid order barring Joe C from attending, now he can be mad at Cammarano all he wants but he would not disrespect Vito Grimaldi like that who was also shelved before he passed away.
2. A made man had hands placed on him, regardless of being shelved or not, that is a no no unless the mob does not consider that a rule anymore. Example is to be made.
3. This look bad on Mancuso, not Cammarano. The Nose is the boss and this fiasco happens shows a lot of disrespect in the eyes of the other families, that Mancuso is going to have to answer for. It was in his own house, but there was a big lack of protocol.
4. Mancuso gets a bad rap, but on the order, I think that Johnny Joe ordered it as he had lost a few sitdowns with Cammarano Sr in the day and wanted to get even, also Johnny Joe and Mancuso had done serious time, while Cammarano Jr has not, so there is some resentment there. It is quite possible that Johnny Joe is an administration member and violence is right up his street.
5. Why is there so much fear about Joe Cammarano Jr attending the wake? Most likely even though Joe C is shelved, he is still respected and he still has support from those that do not like Mancuso. There is fear that Cammarano will be able to take reigns and that makes him a potential rival eventhough he is shelved he could pose a threat to the Bronx factiin.


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Re: Joe C gets beat up at wake on Mikey Nose orders [Re: Giacomo_Vacari] #1037893
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Originally Posted by Giacomo_Vacari
2. A made man had hands placed on him, regardless of being shelved or not, that is a no no unless the mob does not consider that a rule anymore. Example is to be made.


You clearly don't know the meaning of being shelved. Joe C is not made. When you're shelved, you are no longer recognized as made. You think there would be repercussions if someone in that life decided to rearrange the face of John Gotti Jr? No. They would be applauded. They'd probably get a promotion

Re: Joe C gets beat up at wake on Mikey Nose orders [Re: jace] #1037900
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Originally Posted by jace
It comes down to how reliable is Capeci's story is. He obviously got it from a source that is on one side of the dispute, or LE trying to stir up something. Capeci has always played both sides.


Do you ever stop with your paranoid delusions about LE persecuting career criminal parasites?

I feel like Gorilla Monsoon chastising Jesse Ventura.


I invoke my right under the 5th amendment of the United States constitution and decline to answer the question.
Re: Joe C gets beat up at wake on Mikey Nose orders [Re: Bosslady13] #1037901
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Originally Posted by Bosslady13
looks like the story is changing already, capeci updated his story to say that aiello may not have even been there.


Sources say that Cammarano, 62, his brother Dino, 63, and the bikers who came to Joe C's aid, left at least a trio of Bronx-based mobsters, capos John (Johnny Mulberry) Sciremammano, 65, Ernest (Ernie) Aiello, 42, and soldier John Spirito, Jr. 40, bloodied and battered on the floor of the funeral parlor when they left. (Shortly after today's column was published, Gang Land was told that Aiello denied being there that night. "I absolutely had nothing to do with it," he stated. Gang Land was not there. But our sources say that one of the assaulters sure looked like Aiello.)


Why would Aiello lie? Mobsters, by their very definition, are trustworthy people. I would be comfortable leaving my wallet in the room with a stand-up guy like Aiello in it.


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Re: Joe C gets beat up at wake on Mikey Nose orders [Re: eastsideofvan] #1037902
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Originally Posted by eastsideofvan
Totally agreed. Only the Bonanno's in their degraded, post-Massino state could have been willing to make an incarcerated woman killer its official boss. His every action seem to re-confirm just how bad a choice he was.

You'd have to wonder whether Joe C wouldn't come back under a different boss. The guy seems to be LCN to the core. The fact he'd disobey Mancuso's order on being at this funeral too shows how little Mancuso is feared and respected, at least by Cammarano.

He must have balls of steel.

Originally Posted by Scalish
To bad for the Bonanno family because Joe C would be much better in charge then this whack job Mancuso.



Rusty Rastelli says hello.


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Re: Joe C gets beat up at wake on Mikey Nose orders [Re: Moe_Tilden] #1037905
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Pardon me - I wasn't aware that Rastelli had killed his wife.

Originally Posted by Moe_Tilden
Originally Posted by eastsideofvan
Totally agreed. Only the Bonanno's in their degraded, post-Massino state could have been willing to make an incarcerated woman killer its official boss. His every action seem to re-confirm just how bad a choice he was.

You'd have to wonder whether Joe C wouldn't come back under a different boss. The guy seems to be LCN to the core. The fact he'd disobey Mancuso's order on being at this funeral too shows how little Mancuso is feared and respected, at least by Cammarano.

He must have balls of steel.

Originally Posted by Scalish
To bad for the Bonanno family because Joe C would be much better in charge then this whack job Mancuso.



Rusty Rastelli says hello.

Re: Joe C gets beat up at wake on Mikey Nose orders [Re: eastsideofvan] #1037909
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It was not Rastelli that killed his wife it was Mancuso back in 84. Speaking of Gorilla Monsoon I met him 3 times class act and strong as a bull.

Re: Joe C gets beat up at wake on Mikey Nose orders [Re: Moe_Tilden] #1037911
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Originally Posted by Moe_Tilden
Originally Posted by jace
It comes down to how reliable is Capeci's story is. He obviously got it from a source that is on one side of the dispute, or LE trying to stir up something. Capeci has always played both sides.


Do you ever stop with your paranoid delusions about LE persecuting career criminal parasites?

I feel like Gorilla Monsoon chastising Jesse Ventura.



You are an idiot, I am not the only one questioning it, and even Capeci is backing off. You came back here after not being around for a month just to post that? Go out and get a life.

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Re: Joe C gets beat up at wake on Mikey Nose orders [Re: Moe_Tilden] #1037912
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Originally Posted by Moe_Tilden
Originally Posted by Bosslady13
looks like the story is changing already, capeci updated his story to say that aiello may not have even been there.


Sources say that Cammarano, 62, his brother Dino, 63, and the bikers who came to Joe C's aid, left at least a trio of Bronx-based mobsters, capos John (Johnny Mulberry) Sciremammano, 65, Ernest (Ernie) Aiello, 42, and soldier John Spirito, Jr. 40, bloodied and battered on the floor of the funeral parlor when they left. (Shortly after today's column was published, Gang Land was told that Aiello denied being there that night. "I absolutely had nothing to do with it," he stated. Gang Land was not there. But our sources say that one of the assaulters sure looked like Aiello.)


Why would Aiello lie? Mobsters, by their very definition, are trustworthy people. I would be comfortable leaving my wallet in the room with a stand-up guy like Aiello in it.




You would be scared to go into any room with him in it, that's why you talk about them as if you are a tough guy. Also, I would trust their word over yours any time.

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