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Top Lawyer Gerald Shargel Dies #1037528
07/21/22 11:17 AM
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He was involved in many of the biggest cases of the past 40 years . Alzheimer's was the cause.


https://www.silive.com/news/2022/07...d-staten-island-mobsters-dies-at-77.html

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Re: Top Lawyer Gerald Shargel Dies [Re: jace] #1037544
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One of the top guys in the Cutler,Shargel,and who-do-you-call-it Crime Family

Re: Top Lawyer Gerald Shargel Dies [Re: jace] #1037553
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He was one of the greatest defense attorneys of out time. Alzheimer's was recently discussed in one of the topics on this site, and how bad it's effects were.

Re: Top Lawyer Gerald Shargel Dies [Re: jace] #1037687
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Worked right up until just a couple of years ago...Never even got to enjoy retirement...

I liked his old closing arguments in the Gotti case on YouTube...He's convincing

Re: Top Lawyer Gerald Shargel Dies [Re: DiLorenzo] #1037718
07/25/22 12:28 AM
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Originally Posted by DiLorenzo
Worked right up until just a couple of years ago...Never even got to enjoy retirement...

I liked his old closing arguments in the Gotti case on YouTube...He's convincing


Well not to the jury that day anyway...

Re: Top Lawyer Gerald Shargel Dies [Re: BensonHURST] #1037749
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Originally Posted by BensonHURST
Originally Posted by DiLorenzo
Worked right up until just a couple of years ago...Never even got to enjoy retirement...

I liked his old closing arguments in the Gotti case on YouTube...He's convincing


Well not to the jury that day anyway...


Gotti was aquitted when he represented him

Re: Top Lawyer Gerald Shargel Dies [Re: jace] #1037777
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dude evryone is dying left and rite ,, the hell is going on, like tony sopranos once said "is all red meat you guys ate in the 80s".Sharget also represent jimmy coonan

Re: Top Lawyer Gerald Shargel Dies [Re: jace] #1037904
07/29/22 11:51 AM
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Guy was good at what he did. He represented the scum of the earth, but even they deserve advocates. We live in a society, as George Costanza would say.


I invoke my right under the 5th amendment of the United States constitution and decline to answer the question.
Re: Top Lawyer Gerald Shargel Dies [Re: Moe_Tilden] #1037920
07/29/22 03:52 PM
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Originally Posted by Moe_Tilden
Guy was good at what he did. He represented the scum of the earth, but even they deserve advocates. We live in a society, as George Costanza would say.

Shargel's career is an example of how money buys "justice" in America. If you're like 95% of defendants charged with murder or manslaughter, you're probably too poor to afford any lawyer. You'll be assigned a public defender, who'll immediately advise you to accept a plea bargain to a slightly lower charge. But if you have money--a lot of money--you can get a high-powered criminal lawyer like Shargel, or Bruce Cutler, or Barry Slotnick, or Johnnie Cochrane, or Oscar Goodman. Your chances of being acquitted, or of having the charges dropped, improve dramatically. That's because trial law has nothing to do with innocent or guilty, or right or wrong--it's about who wins and who loses. Not for nothing are opposing lawyers officially called "adversaries." Lawyers hate to lose--especially prosecutors, who usually have ambitions to go on to higher-powered law careers or judgeships. If you have Shargel or one of the other criminal law superstars, prosecutors most likely will try to avoid going to trial, probably by offering you a sweetheart plea bargain.

Judges are part of that, too. They hate to have convictions in trials where they presided reversed on appeal--it makes them look bad, and can squash their chances to get appointed to a higher court. If you have enough money to hire a Shargel, they know you also have enough money to hire legal scholars to go over every page of the trial transcript, looking for "judicial errors" that could hurt their careers. They'll bend over backwards to approve objections or motions made by your lawyer, or to find reasons to dismiss your charge on technicalities.

Moral of story: it's good to be rich.


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E s'iddu muoru e vaju mparadisu
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Re: Top Lawyer Gerald Shargel Dies [Re: Turnbull] #1037925
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Originally Posted by Turnbull
Originally Posted by Moe_Tilden
Guy was good at what he did. He represented the scum of the earth, but even they deserve advocates. We live in a society, as George Costanza would say.

Shargel's career is an example of how money buys "justice" in America. If you're like 95% of defendants charged with murder or manslaughter, you're probably too poor to afford any lawyer. You'll be assigned a public defender, who'll immediately advise you to accept a plea bargain to a slightly lower charge. But if you have money--a lot of money--you can get a high-powered criminal lawyer like Shargel, or Bruce Cutler, or Barry Slotnick, or Johnnie Cochrane, or Oscar Goodman. Your chances of being acquitted, or of having the charges dropped, improve dramatically. That's because trial law has nothing to do with innocent or guilty, or right or wrong--it's about who wins and who loses. Not for nothing are opposing lawyers officially called "adversaries." Lawyers hate to lose--especially prosecutors, who usually have ambitions to go on to higher-powered law careers or judgeships. If you have Shargel or one of the other criminal law superstars, prosecutors most likely will try to avoid going to trial, probably by offering you a sweetheart plea bargain.

Judges are part of that, too. They hate to have convictions in trials where they presided reversed on appeal--it makes them look bad, and can squash their chances to get appointed to a higher court. If you have enough money to hire a Shargel, they know you also have enough money to hire legal scholars to go over every page of the trial transcript, looking for "judicial errors" that could hurt their careers. They'll bend over backwards to approve objections or motions made by your lawyer, or to find reasons to dismiss your charge on technicalities.

Moral of story: it's good to be rich.


School's in session. Excellently put, Turnbull.


I invoke my right under the 5th amendment of the United States constitution and decline to answer the question.
Re: Top Lawyer Gerald Shargel Dies [Re: Turnbull] #1037932
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Originally Posted by Turnbull
Originally Posted by Moe_Tilden
Guy was good at what he did. He represented the scum of the earth, but even they deserve advocates. We live in a society, as George Costanza would say.

Shargel's career is an example of how money buys "justice" in America. If you're like 95% of defendants charged with murder or manslaughter, you're probably too poor to afford any lawyer. You'll be assigned a public defender, who'll immediately advise you to accept a plea bargain to a slightly lower charge. But if you have money--a lot of money--you can get a high-powered criminal lawyer like Shargel, or Bruce Cutler, or Barry Slotnick, or Johnnie Cochrane, or Oscar Goodman. Your chances of being acquitted, or of having the charges dropped, improve dramatically. That's because trial law has nothing to do with innocent or guilty, or right or wrong--it's about who wins and who loses. Not for nothing are opposing lawyers officially called "adversaries." Lawyers hate to lose--especially prosecutors, who usually have ambitions to go on to higher-powered law careers or judgeships. If you have Shargel or one of the other criminal law superstars, prosecutors most likely will try to avoid going to trial, probably by offering you a sweetheart plea bargain.

Judges are part of that, too. They hate to have convictions in trials where they presided reversed on appeal--it makes them look bad, and can squash their chances to get appointed to a higher court. If you have enough money to hire a Shargel, they know you also have enough money to hire legal scholars to go over every page of the trial transcript, looking for "judicial errors" that could hurt their careers. They'll bend over backwards to approve objections or motions made by your lawyer, or to find reasons to dismiss your charge on technicalities.

Moral of story: it's good to be rich.



So we should give every defendant a top lawyer. The other part of the problem is the prosectors are always the rich side, with limitless resources, and even the most expensive attorney cannot match them. In many cases the government appointed judge just sides with the prosecution, and in the case of Shargal and others, the judge does not let them defend the client. Judge Glassser acted as a prosecutor and not as a judge.

The DA's have more money, in all cases. In cases like mob cases, limitless money to keep throwing at a defendant. Shargal was great at what he did, he stood up to the government, he was a hero.

Re: Top Lawyer Gerald Shargel Dies [Re: jace] #1037935
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Jace, you'd find support for your viewpoint in "The Gotti Wars," by John Gleeson, the prosecutor in Gotti's last trial. And, yes, Judge Glasser definitely favored the prosecution, The book provides perfect examples of the adversarial nature of trial law. I reviewed it here:
http://www.gangsterbb.net/threads/ubbthreads.php?ubb=showflat&Number=1037134#Post1037134
On the other hand, Bruce Cutler walked all over Judge Nickerson in Gotti's 1987 racketeering trial (he was acquitted). And Roy Cohn, the highest-powered, most ruthless lawyer of his day, won for Gotti a sweetheart plea-bargain in the McBratney murder--an open-and-shut Murder One--he served all of two years.


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Re: Top Lawyer Gerald Shargel Dies [Re: Turnbull] #1037937
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Originally Posted by Turnbull
Jace, you'd find support for your viewpoint in "The Gotti Wars," by John Gleeson, the prosecutor in Gotti's last trial. And, yes, Judge Glasser definitely favored the prosecution, The book provides perfect examples of the adversarial nature of trial law. I reviewed it here:
http://www.gangsterbb.net/threads/ubbthreads.php?ubb=showflat&Number=1037134#Post1037134
On the other hand, Bruce Cutler walked all over Judge Nickerson in Gotti's 1987 racketeering trial (he was acquitted). And Roy Cohn, the highest-powered, most ruthless lawyer of his day, won for Gotti a sweetheart plea-bargain in the McBratney murder--an open-and-shut Murder One--he served all of two years.



I think Roy Cohn was not a great lawyer, or even a good one. What it seems he was great at was fixing cases, both as a prosecutor and later as a defense attorney. In a fair trail, I think whatever side Cohn was on he would lose to a Shargal, Cutler, or any good attorney.

Re: Top Lawyer Gerald Shargel Dies [Re: Turnbull] #1037942
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Originally Posted by Turnbull
Jace, you'd find support for your viewpoint in "The Gotti Wars," by John Gleeson, the prosecutor in Gotti's last trial. And, yes, Judge Glasser definitely favored the prosecution, The book provides perfect examples of the adversarial nature of trial law. I reviewed it here:
http://www.gangsterbb.net/threads/ubbthreads.php?ubb=showflat&Number=1037134#Post1037134
On the other hand, Bruce Cutler walked all over Judge Nickerson in Gotti's 1987 racketeering trial (he was acquitted). And Roy Cohn, the highest-powered, most ruthless lawyer of his day, won for Gotti a sweetheart plea-bargain in the McBratney murder--an open-and-shut Murder One--he served all of two years.

. Absolutely. I don’t like either guy but Cohn was the better lawyer by far. I mean the fact that he got got barely two years for the McBratney killing is crazy but like you said that was all Roy Cohn who got him that sweetheart deal


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