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Pistone and the 3 Captains hit 1981. #1037301
07/16/22 07:23 PM
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Since Joe Pistone aka Donnie Brasco was well aware
Of the 3 Captains hit before it went down
How come the Feds didn't warn Phil Lucky , Big Trin , Sonny Red
Ahead of time ?

Re: Pistone and the 3 Captains hit 1981. [Re: Augustus] #1037302
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I'm not sure that he was aware, but if he was, that's a very good question....Those hits benefited him personally and the FBI

Re: Pistone and the 3 Captains hit 1981. [Re: Augustus] #1037306
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I don't think he was aware they were going to get hit. He knew there was some tensions as the three capos were forming a rival faction but he wasn't in on the hit.

Re: Pistone and the 3 Captains hit 1981. [Re: Augustus] #1037339
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They weren’t aware they were definitely getting killed . The only thing they knew was that there was bad blood between the two factions

Re: Pistone and the 3 Captains hit 1981. [Re: Augustus] #1037364
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C'mon. Pistone was there to help chop up the bodies! Didn't Massino forbid him from being involved in anything around him? Operation Donnie Brasco got absolutely nothing on Joey. Pretty shrewd on his part.

Re: Pistone and the 3 Captains hit 1981. [Re: Goldy] #1037384
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Originally Posted by Goldy
C'mon. Pistone was there to help chop up the bodies! Didn't Massino forbid him from being involved in anything around him? Operation Donnie Brasco got absolutely nothing on Joey. Pretty shrewd on his part.


That part was true he helped with the bodies?

And they didn't pull him right out after that?

Crazy if you think about it

Re: Pistone and the 3 Captains hit 1981. [Re: BensonHURST] #1037387
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Originally Posted by BensonHURST
Originally Posted by Goldy
C'mon. Pistone was there to help chop up the bodies! Didn't Massino forbid him from being involved in anything around him? Operation Donnie Brasco got absolutely nothing on Joey. Pretty shrewd on his part.


That part was true he helped with the bodies?

And they didn't pull him right out after that?

Crazy if you think about it



That was in the movie. In the Pistone book it write that if would ask him to dispose the bodies the operation would stop and the mobsters arrested.Pistone was a simple associate so cant know about the 3 capos murders,if I dont mistake was some gambinos that buried the bodies.

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Re: Pistone and the 3 Captains hit 1981. [Re: Augustus] #1037389
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That’s what I thought it was John Gotti’ crew
I THINK someone chopped off the hands, feet and head back then no DNA, they couldn’t identify the body without finger prints/dental records and not sure why the feet came off.


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Re: Pistone and the 3 Captains hit 1981. [Re: furio_from_naples] #1037396
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Originally Posted by furio_from_naples

That was in the movie. In the Pistone book it write that if would ask him to dispose the bodies the operation would stop and the mobsters arrested.Pistone was a simple associate so cant know about the 3 capos murders,if I dont mistake was some gambinos that buried the bodies.

Yes. As you said, Furio, he was just an associate, and there's no way they'd have given him advance notice of the most important Family hits in decades. If I remember the book correctly, they had him waiting outside, then they called him in to move the bodies. They did ask Gotti's crew to dispose of the bodies--the crew screwed it up because one of the bodies was discovered within days of the murders.

Much as I admire Pistone's coglioni in infiltrating the Bonannos, I never believed his story that the Commission put a half-million-dollar price on his head. The Commission doesn't have a standing army ready to punish law enforcement people who damage the Mob, nor do they have a treasury to pay the "army." And, the only thing Dons have in common is greed, and distrust of each other. No way any Don would spend a dime of his Family's money to help the Bonannos get revenge for a disaster caused by their own stupidity.


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Re: Pistone and the 3 Captains hit 1981. [Re: Turnbull] #1037400
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Originally Posted by Turnbull
Originally Posted by furio_from_naples

That was in the movie. In the Pistone book it write that if would ask him to dispose the bodies the operation would stop and the mobsters arrested.Pistone was a simple associate so cant know about the 3 capos murders,if I dont mistake was some gambinos that buried the bodies.

Yes. As you said, Furio, he was just an associate, and there's no way they'd have given him advance notice of the most important Family hits in decades. If I remember the book correctly, they had him waiting outside, then they called him in to move the bodies. They did ask Gotti's crew to dispose of the bodies--the crew screwed it up because one of the bodies was discovered within days of the murders.

Much as I admire Pistone's coglioni in infiltrating the Bonannos, I never believed his story that the Commission put a half-million-dollar price on his head. The Commission doesn't have a standing army ready to punish law enforcement people who damage the Mob, nor do they have a treasury to pay the "army." And, the only thing Dons have in common is greed, and distrust of each other. No way any Don would spend a dime of his Family's money to help the Bonannos get revenge for a disaster caused by their own stupidity.

. I like Pistone but yeah I think he embellishes. The half a million bounty seems a bit far fetched but I dint doubt initially they would kill him but once the agents went to them and basically warned them about attempting to do that it was over with. As for the Gotti crew disposing of bodies I’ve heard it’s possible that they intentionally made it easier to find so maybe Bruno would come out of hiding but I’m not sure if that’s true. It’s also very possible like you says that they screwed up. As we know Gotti and his crew weren’t known for their brains lol

Re: Pistone and the 3 Captains hit 1981. [Re: Turnbull] #1037401
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Originally Posted by Turnbull
Originally Posted by furio_from_naples

That was in the movie. In the Pistone book it write that if would ask him to dispose the bodies the operation would stop and the mobsters arrested.Pistone was a simple associate so cant know about the 3 capos murders,if I dont mistake was some gambinos that buried the bodies.

Yes. As you said, Furio, he was just an associate, and there's no way they'd have given him advance notice of the most important Family hits in decades. If I remember the book correctly, they had him waiting outside, then they called him in to move the bodies. They did ask Gotti's crew to dispose of the bodies--the crew screwed it up because one of the bodies was discovered within days of the murders.

Much as I admire Pistone's coglioni in infiltrating the Bonannos, I never believed his story that the Commission put a half-million-dollar price on his head. The Commission doesn't have a standing army ready to punish law enforcement people who damage the Mob, nor do they have a treasury to pay the "army." And, the only thing Dons have in common is greed, and distrust of each other. No way any Don would spend a dime of his Family's money to help the Bonannos get revenge for a disaster caused by their own stupidity.


That was an excellent assessment Turnbull

Re: Pistone and the 3 Captains hit 1981. [Re: NYMafia] #1037404
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Re: Pistone and the 3 Captains hit 1981. [Re: Augustus] #1037409
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if I remember correctly, in the book it says that Indelicato's date of death was established by his watch which worked thanks to the movement of the wrist, so it was enough for him to see where it stopped.
Definitely the gotti's crew made a bad work.

Re: Pistone and the 3 Captains hit 1981. [Re: Augustus] #1037439
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I was kidding about "Donnie" helping cut up bodies.

That was all pretend stuff from the movie. Donnie was nowhere near those murders before, during or after. I recall him getting pulled right after and he was trying to talk his handlers into staging Bruno Indellicato's murder so he could get made. But I don't know how he thought Bruno was going to cooperate with that plan.

They weren't cut up anyways, because when they were tipped off where to look for the bodies, one of the mobster's feet was perfectly preserved in his boot and they were able to identify Phil Lucky or Big Trin because of the engraving on the back of his Patek Philleppe or Piaget watch he was wearing. Weird they buried them with their jewelry. Sonny Red got found a few days later after the murders when some kids spotted his hand coming up out of the dirt. The FEDS were also looking for Tommy DeSimone's body in the same area where they found Big Trin and Phil Lucky decades after they were killed.

And I wholeheartedly agree with the ridiculous $500K "bounty" they had. Never happened. It's not a movie where some highly trained assassin is going to pick up the contract. Pistone loved to play that shit up. I remember he was on Letterman, wearing those glasses, talking about the "open contract" and they did a gag with the classic sandbag from the rafters falling down and crushing the couch where the guests sit. Meanwhile he's on the show to promote his tv show "Falcone" where he's playing a bartender at the social club the Sonny Black-esque character operates out of and he garrotes a guy to death in the show. But the Bannanos are still looking to hire someone to kill him for 500K? And who's going to pay that? C'mon.

Re: Pistone and the 3 Captains hit 1981. [Re: Augustus] #1037442
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Massino told the feds where to look

Re: Pistone and the 3 Captains hit 1981. [Re: Augustus] #1037453
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ItOIaLnbKUg&t=322s

There's a video of "The Hole", the neighborhood where the bodies were dumped. Massino was the one that told the FEDS that DeSimone was buried there too then. Maybe Tommy's still there somewhere. Anyone that had first hand knowledge of what actually happened to him in long gone.

Re: Pistone and the 3 Captains hit 1981. [Re: Augustus] #1037484
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Pistone accomplished so much, to seal his legacy he should admit one of these days that the bounty story was made up for publicity.


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