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Bugsy #1036020
06/18/22 06:20 AM
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SEVENTY-FIVE YEARS LATER, DEBATE OVER BUGSY SIEGEL MURDER STILL RAGES
NUMEROUS THEORIES ADVANCED ABOUT WHAT HAPPENED ON JUNE 20, 1947, AND WHY

https://themobmuseum.org/blog/seventy-five-years-later-debate-over-bugsy-siegel-murder-still-rages/


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Anthony Raimondi or John Alite could tell you the real story. They were both in on the Bugsy hit. Kuklinski was the trigger man.

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All those stories about Hill's brother Chick or Dalitz ordering Siegel's assassination are BS, designed to throw sand in the eyes of investigators. Follow the money: the Flamingo was supposed to cost $1million, came it at $5 million-plus, and lost money when the casino opened in 12/46. Naturally, he (and maybe Virginia) were suspected of skimming construction money, although a lot of the over-run was due to contractors cheating him (he was a lousy businessman). He owed a lot of money to a lot of people, especially the NY Mob. Doesn't matter who the actual triggerman (or men) was (or were)--NY ordered it. I doubt they would have subcontracted the hit to Dragna. He had motive--Siegel was muscling inn on his rackets--but NY had the highest motivation.


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Originally Posted by Turnbull
All those stories about Hill's brother Chick or Dalitz ordering Siegel's assassination are BS, designed to throw sand in the eyes of investigators. Follow the money: the Flamingo was supposed to cost $1million, came it at $5 million-plus, and lost money when the casino opened in 12/46. Naturally, he (and maybe Virginia) were suspected of skimming construction money, although a lot of the over-run was due to contractors cheating him (he was a lousy businessman). He owed a lot of money to a lot of people, especially the NY Mob. Doesn't matter who the actual triggerman (or men) was (or were)--NY ordered it. I doubt they would have subcontracted the hit to Dragna. He had motive--Siegel was muscling inn on his rackets--but NY had the highest motivation.


100% correct Turnbull

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Richard Kuklinski did it when he was 12

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A lot of people wanted that man gone. As mentioned in that article, there was even growing tension between Siegel and his best friend Moe Sedway over the mismanagement of money. NY wanted it done, but I believe the Jews ultimately decided to handle it before anyone else got to him.


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Originally Posted by Giacalone
A lot of people wanted that man gone. As mentioned in that article, there was even growing tension between Siegel and his best friend Moe Sedway over the mismanagement of money. NY wanted it done, but I believe the Jews ultimately decided to handle it before anyone else got to him.


I agree 100% the hit was military-style.


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A military rifle was used to kill Bugsy. It was a M1 carbine--the "little brother" of the M1 Garand that was a standard US Infantry rifle during WWII. 6.1 million M1 carbines were produced during the war, and hundreds of thousands of surplus carbines were sold to civilians after the war. The carbine was smaller, lighter and fired a less powerful round than the Garand. It was issued primarily to non-front-line troops as a defensive weapon. Perfectly adequate for a short-range assassination, like Bugsy's. Much of the speculation that Chick Hill, Virginia's younger brother, killed Bugsy, is based on the fact that he owned a M1 carbine. So did hundreds of thousands of others.


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Till this day I never understood the logic of killing someone that owes you money.
That’s just a bad business decision.

Hurt him bad, again and again and again.

That will be enough to send a message you don’t pay and you get hurt real bad until you pay.
That’s not a pretty way to live.

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Originally Posted by BensonHURST
Till this day I never understood the logic of killing someone that owes you money.
That’s just a bad business decision.

Hurt him bad, again and again and again.

That will be enough to send a message you don’t pay and you get hurt real bad until you pay.
That’s not a pretty way to live.




You're not gonna hurt Bugsy Siegel. This wasn't some banker named Ned Freeman lol

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“Bugsy’s” Death Affects Granting of Nevada Gambling Licenses
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Benjamin “Bugsy” Siegel and his famed Las Vegas hotel-casino

1947

“The Flamingo Hotel, one of the nation’s most elaborate establishments, was [Benjamin] Siegel’s baby and was set to be the operating headquarters for his syndicate which embarked on a program to control gambling in Nevada as well as Los Angeles, San Francisco and other spots in the west,” read a Nevada State Journal op-ed piece (June 22, 1947).

Among other various criminal enterprises, Siegel was involved in trying to establish the Mob-run Transamerica race wire service on the West Coast.

The well-publicized murder of Siegel, Mobster, hitman and gambler, on June 20, 1947 led to restrictions on who received a Nevada gambling license. The Silver State tightened control to filter out the undesirables and, thus, clean up the industry.

“It is up to the authorities to protect the state against the invasion of gangsters. Gambling attracts them but vigilance and honest enforcement of the gambling law and particularly the license provisions of it will keep them out, wrote an NSJ opinion writer (June 22, 1947).

Licensing at the Start
When the Nevada Legislature approved gambling in 1931, responsibility for granting licenses fell to the counties or cities; the state wasn’t involved. The only requirement for obtaining a license was that the applicant be a U.S. citizen. Licensees paid two monthly fees: $25 per table game and $10 per slot machine.

Fourteen years later, in 1945, state legislators shifted gambling licensing to the then two-person Nevada Tax Commission and, simultaneously, instituted a state gambling license fee equal to 1% of gross revenue for enterprises doing more than $3,000 worth of business quarterly. Cities and counties still could issue gambling licenses, too but only after an applicant obtained one from the state.

Changes in 1947
The tax commission established licensing-related guidelines based on the opinion of the Nevada Attorney General Alan Bible, which he delivered in October 1947.

According to Bible, the commission had the power to:

Investigate a gambling license applicant’s background, including their character, habits, associates and the like
Require license applicants to provide proof of citizenship
Deny an applicant a gambling license when they are deemed to have an “unsavory character,” when granting a license wouldn’t serve the public’s interest or when another just reason warrants it
Revoke a gambling license if the holder is determined to have an “unsavory character,” if the licensee is acting against the public’s interest or if some other sound reason exists
“All applicants must now present complete evidence of past records, current business associates, dormant or active, and must submit themselves to an investigation if such is required by the tax commission,” reported the Nevada State Journal (Jan. 24, 1948). “If evidence is presented that any operator is knowingly permitting cheating in his establishment, his license is subject to immediate revocation.”

Immediate Repercussions
When the tax commission held its subsequent meeting, in January 1948, it granted 1,000 gambling licenses but denied five, for reasons not made public.

Two of the denials went to existing bookmaking enterprises, the Turf Club in Las Vegas and the Reno Turf Club in Reno.


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The Nevada Legislature shifted licensing to the Tax Commission in 1945 because they saw huge growth in gambling in the postwar era (especially with the Flamingo nearing completion) and wanted to cash in on the proceeds. Putting control in the Tax Commission shows what they were thinking. Sure, the Tax Commission put up an impresssive number of "rules and regulations" designed to keep out licence applicants of "unsavory character." The fact that they rejected only five of 1,000 license applicants proves that all they cared about was bringing money into the state and taxing the profits.

Oversight by the Tax Commission was so lax, and so many gangsters took advantage of it, that in 1958, the Legislature took control out of the Tax Commission and put it into a new Gaming Control Board. The new Board gave itself real muscle: the power to license "key employees" of casinos, like the credit manager and the casino manager; and the "Black Book"--a list of people who could be barred from even entering a casino, much less owning or operating a casiono, because of criminal records, association with known criminals, or simply having "unsavory reputations." Among the first people put into the Black Book were Sam Giancana, Murray (the Camel) Humphries, Marshall Caifano and the Civella brothers.


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RENO was the place to be before LAS VEGAS!


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In 1941, Siegel’s Hollywood fling was temporarily disrupted when he was jailed for the murder of mobster Harry (Big Greenie) Greenberg, who had revealed some important names to the FBI. Even then, however, connections helped. Since prison food didn’t agree with him, he was allowed his own chef. To guard against loneliness, he was permitted female guests in his cell. He was also let out to go to the dentist. Several weeks after his incarceration, the two main witnesses against Siegel died rather abruptly. Stripped of his case, the district attorney was forced to abandon the case.

Siegel’s luck finally seemed to be running out. The mob, particularly Lucky Luciano, was insisting he pay back its investment. The Chicago police were planning to arrest him for his alleged drug-smuggling operation. The Federal Bureau of Narcotics was also zeroing in.

Only five people attended Siegel’s funeral. Virginia Hill, in Paris at the time, returned the money shortly thereafter. In 1966, after a number of unsuccessful suicide attempts, she took some sleeping pills, walked into a Salzburg, Austria, snowbank and died at the age of 49.


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There are some rumors that Allen Smiley (Siegel's close associate) was also allegedly somehow involved in the hit but I dont remember the details, meaning maybe someone else can add something to it. All I know that Smiley also possibly had a Chicago connection too....

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Re: Bugsy [Re: ThisGuyOverHere] #1056491
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Originally Posted by ThisGuyOverHere
Anthony Raimondi or John Alite could tell you the real story. They were both in on the Bugsy hit. Kuklinski was the trigger man.


LMAO-
If you want to watch a funny video watch Alite interview Tommy Karate’s old best friend.

The guy keeps putting down RATS, and people that didn’t take their pinch.
The guy is a little older and 1/2 burnt and I am certain he has no idea that Alite RATTED.

So right to Alites face he keeps “RIPPING RATS” and Alite is pretending he doesn’t hear what he is saying.

So if you want to see ALITE get RIPPED to his face watch it.


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