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Battle Of The Dead Dons: Colombo Mob Underboss Son #1032507
04/05/22 07:57 AM
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https://gangsterreport.com/battle-o...t-boss-carmine-persico-was-a-snitch-too/

Battle Of The Dead Dons: Colombo Mob Underboss Sonny Franzese Thought Boss Carmine Persico Was A Snitch, Too

By Scott Burnstein

April 4, 2022

April 4, 2022 – According to the new book, Sonny: The Last of The Old Time Mafia Bosses by S.J. Peddie, the New York Daily News isn’t the only one to think historic New York mob don Carmine (The Snake) Persico was a rat.

Peddie’s much-anticipated book based on the author’s exclusive tell-all interview with the man, John (Sonny) Franzese, himself in the final months of his extraordinarily fascinating life, reveals, among other things, that Franzese believed that Persico, the longtime Colombo crime family leader, was a confidential informant for the FBI. The book was released by the Citadel Press on March 28 and is garnering great reviews. Peddie writes for Newsday.

Franzese died at age 103 a free man in February 2020. He loyally served as a capo and then underboss to Persico during Persico’s epic reign and did a total of almost 50 years in prison in his legendary gangland career. Persico passed of natural causes in 2019 behind bars, having headed the family from his prison cell since the mid 1980s. Franzese told Peddie he thought Persico was giving info to the feds to try and trip him up out of jealousy and insecurity and helped coordinate an alleged conspiracy to frame him for a series of bank robberies that he would get found guilty of in 1967.

The NY Daily News made waves and caught considerable blowback last year for a frontpage story declaring Persico a rat sourced from a 1971 FBI documents lawyers for a former Persico rival put into the court record as part of an appeal for a compassionate release in his racketeering and murder

case.

Some claim reporters and editors at The New York Daily News are misinterpreting the document. Others say even if read correctly, the source for the intelligence included in the document is an unhinged, unreliable and unrepentant mafia enforcer sociopath whose cooperation with the government came under a significant amount of legal and ethical scrutiny.

The NY Daily News obtained the court brief tying Carmine Persico to informant status from attorneys representing Persico’s one-time acting boss turned enemy-combatant Vittorio (Little Vic) Orena. The Persico and Orena factions went to war in the streets of New York in the early 1990s, leaving 12 bodies in its wake and Orena locked up with Persico on a life sentence.

The issue critics are taking with the document filed by Orena’s attorneys is that the source of the information on the document is named as “NY 3461-C-TE,” better known as infamous informant and mob killer, Greg (The Grim Reaper) Scarpa. When the Persico and Orena crews began shooting it out in the second Colombo Mob War, Scarpa served as the imprisoned Persico’s top muscle on the street. Franzese was incarcerated for the most of the war, but upon finally emerging from prison, he helped make the peace between the two opposing factions.

Scarpa died of AIDS in 1994, a victim of a dirty blood transfusion years earlier. Orena, 88, has been locked up since April 1992.

Re: Battle Of The Dead Dons: Colombo Mob Underboss Son [Re: furio_from_naples] #1032514
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Two things: S.J. Peddie is out to make a buck by lying about Perscio.

Second, only idiots think his real nickname was the snake.

Re: Battle Of The Dead Dons: Colombo Mob Underboss Son [Re: jace] #1032515
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Originally Posted by jace
Two things: S.J. Peddie is out to make a buck by lying about Perscio.

Second, only idiots think his real nickname was the snake.


Yep his surname was the immortal.

Re: Battle Of The Dead Dons: Colombo Mob Underboss Son [Re: furio_from_naples] #1032516
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Another half-cooked "reporter" bringing up another half-cooked "Persico was a rat" story to make a quick buck.
S.J. Peddie should change her name into "S.J. Petty".

Re: Battle Of The Dead Dons: Colombo Mob Underboss Son [Re: furio_from_naples] #1032519
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BS. No one in the life thought Junior was a rat. Least of all Sonny. Junior had a habit of demoting Sonny because he didn't want any heat on him

Re: Battle Of The Dead Dons: Colombo Mob Underboss Son [Re: furio_from_naples] #1032527
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What the hell was up with all those Columbo’s…. The rats and the attention broadcasters ruled the day while the real rule followers were taken out and overrun.


Be Loyal, Be Loving, Be Quiet.
Re: Battle Of The Dead Dons: Colombo Mob Underboss Son [Re: furio_from_naples] #1032545
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Yeah ! Rated his way into decades and decades in federal prison and had all of his family suffer and some of them spending decades in prison …. But he was a rat … yeah !


Cackling like a banty Rooster.

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Re: Battle Of The Dead Dons: Colombo Mob Underboss Son [Re: furio_from_naples] #1032613
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Makes. No sense these reporters can print anything
I never heard the name Persico and Rat in the same sentence
Unless it was about one he killed or trying to kill.

These reporters and podcasters are Re-writing history or trying to anyway.

Re: Battle Of The Dead Dons: Colombo Mob Underboss Son [Re: Serpiente] #1032616
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Originally Posted by Serpiente
Yeah ! Rated his way into decades and decades in federal prison and had all of his family suffer and some of them spending decades in prison …. But he was a rat … yeah !


Exactly! Carmine served about 45+/- years behind bars collectively. His brother Allie Boy served a life bid, and then got another 25. His own son Little Allie and his nephews and cousins are all serving or have served decades in jail.

They both died behind bars. Little Ally's fate will probably match his dad and uncle's. But Junior was a rat? WTF is it with people? Is everybody an idiot out there in internet land?

If he wasn't a mob guy false stories like this one bring major lawsuits against newspapers and periodicals. Because he's a wiseguy he can't do that. Plus a judge would most probably throw the case out of court anyway saying you can't slander or besmirch Persico's rep anymore than it already is because he's a convicted criminal.

That still don't make it right though!

Re: Battle Of The Dead Dons: Colombo Mob Underboss Son [Re: furio_from_naples] #1032698
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he did admit the mafia existed in open court.

Re: Battle Of The Dead Dons: Colombo Mob Underboss Son [Re: mackinblack007] #1032702
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Originally Posted by mackinblack007
he did admit the mafia existed in open court.


That was a legal strategy and all the bosses obviously allowed it. THATS not ratting. It is an open secret at this point in time. His and his lawyers "theory" was that just like any club or organization you join, in and or itself, belonging is NOT a crime, which it isn't. He got convicted so the jury didn't buy it, but that was the thinking.


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