. True. Gotti was both stupid and a blabbermouty so he essentially sunk himself. Like you said Gravano was just a corroboration

Bingo! Gravano may also have brought more heat on them all by instigating al those killings. Yet he throws the blame on Gotti, and people fall for it.

Was he really a blabber mouth?

Or did he just make a HUGE mistake that cost him a life sentence?

He broke a major rule that cost him everything your not supposed to talk about a murder after you commit it.

With that said the Govt spent $100MM to get Gotti, tapes or not they would have eventually sank his ship.

They didn't have tapes and they figured out a way to nail Massino.

The Gov't machine is unstoppable.

i am sure there are more however, the only guy that comes to mind that actually "BEAT THE GOV'T" is Jr Gotti,
4 Trials and he beat them all and walked out of the doors a free man.

And was never charged again.

I dont know of any other gangster that beat the Gov't at 4 consecutive trials.

Thats the reason they released the info on the proffer to destroy him and possibility get him killed or fear of being killed so he would run to them for cover.

If the government wants you that badly, they will eventually get you. Whether it's through legitimate means because of their unlimited resources and investigative abilities, or through presenting trumped trial evidence to get you indicted and then a kangaroo court-styled conviction. Period!

I clearly said that they would've eventually got him anyway, my whole point was that his reign on the streets could've lasted a lot longer than a mere 5 years if not for those tapes. Sure they got Massino without tapes, but his tenure was over twice as long as Gotti's. Speaking of Massino, if nobody had ever flipped, none of those murders would've been solved. They certainly weren't solved with CSI techniques. I think oftentimes wiseguys get bamboozled by the feds into flipping, and they often fall for it. Like the government threatening Massino with the death penalty, yeah right, they bluffed him.

guys like Leonetti,Gravano,Casso those never done any real hard time before gettin pinche and facing the real music,look at Gotti,Persico ,Amuso them guys done time before they did real hard time ,,especically Gaspipe when he ask who did the killing on a ceratin wiseguy that a ¨red¨flag rite there,, he was never cosa nostra

You are exactly right look at Sonny Franzese they framed him.

Correct, they brought 5 serious cases against Sonny over the course of only several years time. He beat em all. So the FBI then trumped up a federal bank robbery case against him and coached a series of rats to testify falsely before a judge (Jacob Mishler) who was another pro-government proponent in league with the feds to hang him...and they did!

He got 2/25s, a total of 50 years for which he served almost 40 years in the can for, from 1970 forward (on the layaway plan as it turned out).

carmine persico most likely ratted him out or set him up so he can take power,,,
1.he either ratted sonny or set him up to prision
2. he and his son Allie boy knew Scarpa was an FBI informant in the early 80s and did nuthing about
3.while he was at a Georgia prison he be friends alots "questionable" characters
makes you wonder who he really was all this time

You're striking me more and more as a legend hater, in other words you take people who are legends and try to find nonexistent dirt on them, out of jealousy and envy, to destroy their status.

He is just here to disrupt things on this site. He has done this before.

well i do write here once in a while unlike most of you guys spend more than half of your life in this forum,, i do have a job and life,,,le me ask you this do u guys see starting a thread every single the day most like you Jace or the other guy.the answer is NO i dont write threads evry single day. you assholes,,, the truth hurts how you look up the men and find out they are not who they seeem to be

Gravano was and is a Rat.He'd do anything to survive.He has NO Honor. Look at what he did to his Family while under Witness Protection. Sammy is all for himself, Screw anyone around him Family and Friends.

If you're someone who lived that life, ratted, and now has a podcast or youtube channel, you just love the attention and don't give a shit about anyone else.

Exactly. He swore on tv and on the witness stand that he was out of crime then got right back into things when he was in witness protection. Plus getting his kids into it was really low. A rat will do or say anything.

His Daughter turns my stomach..lol

You gotta give her credit when she came back to Staten Island where she grew up for the first time.

Took BIG BALLS…

Growing up as Sammy's Daughter at the height of his power.
To come back as a Rats Daughter
Whose father put away probably close to 100 guys.

That could not have been easy.

The person who really got hurt from Sammy Flipping was Locascio
He had a shot at beating that case.

He didn't say two words, on those tapes he MUMBLED, and said " I predict he brings you $50K) Literally that's all he said. Or thats all I heard from what they played.

Gravano put the nail in his coffin on the stand.

The tapes did in Gotti and Gravano, there wasn’t a peep on the tapes about Locasio