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Maybe will not be 5 maybe the Colombos will be absorb by another family.

If I'm not mistaken, there was first talk about absorbing the Colombo Family in the early 1990s, which would mean that they've had around 3 decades to do so. It ain't happening. Besides, imagine how boring that would be, the 4 Families of New York? Doesn't have the same ring or appeal. The 5 Families are here to stay.

Check this forum in thirty years and you'll find out...

The only sure thing is that in thirty years, much like today, the worst crooks will still be the politicians, no matter what side you're on.

Remember that the Mafia was blamed for the cost of living being so high, well now that their power has been significantly reduced, prices are still higher than ever. The mob was just a scapegoat.

1000%

Bingo!

Will the five families exist? Of course. Will the life exist? The life hardly exists now.

That makes no sense. Anyway, just consider this, 30 years ago I'm sure they were saying the same thing, yet they're still here. There you have it.

Will survive the families that still have ties with Italy and maybe the ndrine will surpass the american mafia. Or maybe will be imported many zip from Sicily but even from Calabria and Campania.

Saying the life is over and saying the five families still exist are two different things. The problem is that there's nothing going on around right now. You have an organization, but you don't have the activities that used to define that organization. Today's mob does not fit peoples definition of the word 'mob'. A lot of people are struggling to comprehend this, but people who have been around this life and people who have followed this subject since from a different century are fully aware of this fact. It's over. You'd have to be Stevie Wonder not to see it.

Can't we just simply discuss the mob without the same old "it ain't what it used to be" spill? It's getting really redundant. I haven't talked to one person who thinks it's still the same. Not one, nada! I know it, you know it, they know it, everyone knows it. Let's move on.

And to those of us who actually post current goings-on and events regarding the mob, without resorting to the tired old talk about how there's not much left, I salute you. A mention here and there is okay, but for some people it's all they ramble on about.

Nothing ever stays the same.

The world has changed so much over the last 20-30-50 years.

Every business and industry has changed.

LCN's core business's are no exception.

It wouldn't even be possible for it to have not changed.

However, they have evolved with the changing

Nothing ever stays the same.

The world has changed so much over the last 20-30-50 years.

Every business and industry has changed.

LCN's core business's are no exception.

It wouldn't even be possible for it to have not changed.

However, they have evolved with the changing times.

As I pointed out from where I am from in BensonHURST, they are still here, they are still active, they don't get treated the way they used to, to most they would say they are even here anymore, BUT THEY ARE STILL HERE.

I personally think the "GOOD OLE DAYS" of the 80' and 90's should have never been, the organization was meant to be Secretive, and anyone that was around back then knows it was anything but that.
Everyone knew who the wiseguy on the block was, as he was treated like a movie star, in alot of cases, alot of the members their EGO's were larger than life because of it.

You can see how that was a problem and brought about the unnecessary attention that was never supposed to be.
And was partly responsible for the crackdown that ensued.

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Today it is back to what it always should have been.

A SECRET,
No more Top Echelon Program for the FBI, think about the damage that program did to LCN?

Talk about Rats, the Rats that did the damage were from that era, and were able to give up bodies from sometimes 10,20 years ago.
Most big mob cases in the last 10-15 years have spanned back to that era and unsolved murders.

There are no more murders so you are not seeing as many rats anymore, if you think about it.

Who was the last made guy to flip, what damage did he do?
What bodies he did he give up?

John Penease?

Whatever guys are left, the smart ones (and the not so smart ones who are kicked in the ass and schooled by the smart ones) keep their heads low. Real low.

But 90% of the guys (all the guys) (even guys who were the supposedly big "Gees" back in the day) are starving and sucking wind. Very few fellas today earn. If you see a guy with big money, more times than not its because he made his fortune many years back and saved for a rainy day. He was one of the smart ones, and one of the lucky ones! (but those fellas are far and few between I assure you).

I think it will. However, the Italian groups will try to have a bigger influence here in the coming years. The Americans won't be able to hold their ground IMO

Some version will exist but it might not be recognizable. Making your bones will fall by the wayside (if it hasn't already) as a prerequisite due to DNA, informants, and overall risk involved.

DNA isn't some new phenomenon, it's been used for solving murders for several decades now. But how many mob hits were actually solved using DNA evidence? Bet you can't count them on one hand. Informants though are more of a factor.

ndrangheta is too weak in the states to surpass local cosa nostra, if somebody should do it are the sicilian zips who are about 3000 according to fbi, but i think the 5 families will be still alive in 30 years

The 5 Families will always be alive because any slots left vacant in the ranks of LCN will be filled by Zips and even guys from the mainland, in the case of there not being any American-bred wiseguys left to fill in. That's my guess. There's really no point in scratching the current LCN structure in favor of a brand-new Italian Mafia, it's easier to just join what's already well-established.

Focusing on just the Five Families in NYC, I think at least one of the five will be around in thirty years due to NYC's size, money, and influence in the country. Likely more than one.

I think the best way to gauge the possibility of a collapse of one or all of the Five Families is to look at the collapse of Cosa Nostra Families in other major American cities, say San Francisco and New Orleans. Lack of inducting new members did those organizations in. Smart criminals don't want to become "made" since that puts a bigger target on their backs by the Feds. If the Five Families get weaker then other mafia or organized crime groups could become a more appealing prospect. If a collapse (or collapses) do occur they could unfold relatively quicker than anybody expects.

Do I see signs of an imminent collapse of any of the Five Families, though? No not really, (possibly the Colombo's?)

You brought up an excellent point, the 5 Families will be around for more decades to come because they're still recruiting, per recent revelations, even the Colombos. I actually think the Colombo Family is a good indicator for the health of the other Families, if the weak Colombos are still recruiting and trucking along, then you KNOW the other 4 Families are doing okay, and in the case of the Gambinos and Genoveses, beyond just okay.

Surpass in power not in numbers. The ndrine are more secretive than american mafia; they need 7 ndranghetisti to form a ndrina and 7 ndrine to form a locale.
Maybe they are making money in the shadows in NY and LE ignore them.

Yes, but they may be fully legit as the line between civilian and criminal is greying by the minute in this country.

I think that in 30 years the 5 families from New York will still be there unlike some families like Decavalcante, Detroit... But their strength will have diminished I think only the Gambino and Genovese will still remain respectable families.
I think that the Ndranghetta is already there and will be even stronger in 30 years already we can see it in Canada which have surpassed the Cosa Nostra and the Ursino of Gioiosa Ionica is already well established in New York and claims the 6th family .There is also the Aquino-Coluccio clan and the Commisso clan which are established in New York and which I think over time will still grow in importance in this city and in other large cities such as Chicago, Philadelphia ..... ..
Other Italian Mafias I think that in 30 years the Albanians, Russians (Ukrainians, Georgians....) will be stronger than today and they will surpass some families from New York except as said above Gambino or Genovese.

I don't really agree with your last statement. Albanian OC and "Russian" OC (which is really more like Georgian, Armenian and Jewish OC) in NYC is not as endemic as it was years ago. "Russian" OC had its day in the 90s, but these days it seems to be barely notable in NYC except for a few gangs that seem to be a notch above street crews.
Albanians are integrating rapidly; if anything their involvement in organized crime in NYC will probably diminish instead of expand.

Good point. Southern Italy is probably the only region of the world where organized crime groups are integrated into the culture and history. In other places it's a means to an end. I can see the Sicilian mafia families, the 'Ndrangheta, and the Camorra sending people to the United States forever. I wonder if any of the 5 families or other surviving U.S. families will see a complete turnover rate and eventually a new name as they're taken over by the old country, basically resetting what Luciano started in the 1930s.

Societa' Honore, The Honored Society, is a perpetual phenomena of Sicily, Calabria, and Campania. Its origins date back hundreds and hundreds of years (in one form or another) to almost "antica," or antiquity. It's not going anywhere, anytime soon. It may never end. Because by its very nature it is a "mentality" more than a simple organization that is ingrained into the very fabric of Southern Italy itself, and it people so to speak. Omertà is a phenomena in and of itself that is adopted by the core Italian populous where it is considered "unmanly" for anyone to act dishonorably in any way, even for a female, not only regarding criminality, but in normal daily Italian life itself....its threads run so deep!

But its internal and external dynamics have changed greatly. For better or worse I suspect it will continue to morph as they have always done.