One thing is clear from reading the comments, a lot of people truly live in a fantasy world and are detached from reality.

What a bullshit story, he's just making shit up for his cringey fans at this point.

In 1984 the Pagans over loaded with 200 bullets the home of chuckie merlino's mother because chuckie beaten up a biker and was refusing to pay the hospital bills.
The bikers are crazy.

Bikers are crazy because they can afford to be crazy. When was the last time you heard of a multiple-murdering top biker going free in exchange for selling out his organization? Exactly, the Federal government doesn't have anywhere near the hard-on for bikers that they have for LCN. Not too mention they outnumber even the largest LCN family 10 to 1.

Not that I care, but he's a mafia channel guy right? So why would that story be for his fans?

There are many examples of that. The difference is the lack of overall criminality compared to the mafia.

It sounds completely made up, like he's just coming up with bullshit for views. That's how I feel and I'm entitled to my feelings. If you wanna believe his bs that's also your prerogative.

I don't know of any examples, much less many. And what do you mean lack of overall criminality compared to the Mafia? Like the mob commits more crimes than bikers?

Lol its the fucking mafia dude!

If you want to compare bikers to that, then you have to go to Canada.

Outlaw Bikers are social outlaws; there is a contingent of professional criminals within, but most bikers, aside from user amount of narcotics violations and barroom-brawl style assaults, work jobs and raise families. This alone has made it very difficult for the government to dis-assemble. Read Scott Burnstein's blog and you'll become aware of many arrests and informants. The government - FBI - is now prodding Australia, New Zealand and LE in other countries to create laws that would liquidate the biker franchise - that is their colors. Once camaraderie via the logo begins to fade, so will the "brotherhood"; same thing with prison gangs - isolate so they can't organize, recruit and train.

It's important to understand the government is not targeting the bikers for the criminality as it is on a small scale - yes, very small. They are targeting groups that live outside societal norms; that is, anyone that does not Need the government. Do you believe the FBI targets survival groups to truly uncover the instances of sexual abuse? The sexual abuse is to get the general public buy-in; what the government is targeting is self-sufficiency.

The Endangered Species Act in NW U.S. to get those loggers out: can't have a self-sufficient society without tolls so we can surveil you.

yes in canada there is an alliance between some mafia groups in MTL and members of the MTL hells angels chapter.
but not all mafia cells in MTL work w/ the HA or only w/ the MTL chapter.

one alliance revealed in project hobart 2019 was between the figliomeni locale in toronto and members/associates of the london,ontario HA chapter.
but again not every 'ndrangheta group works with the HA or bikers at all.

and to be honest for the most part theses alliances work very well and historically produce vast amounts of money.

some american mafia families should take a page out of the canadian mafias book and do the same. along the east coast the numbers of chapters popping up has only been increasing in the last few years among the pagans especially.

some families have shown before that they would work with the pagans mc,one being the philadelphia family.the name steve mondevegine comes to mind i believe he has recently been installed as pres of a chapter in the philadelphia area. he has long been an associate of joseph merlino boss of the family.

the pagans mc has also been expanding across the state of new jersey swallowing up territory quite possibly becoming the dominant OC group in the state.
with that being said at some point the mafia families that operate in NJ will have to work with the pagans.

and working with another group even bikers should not be viewed as such a bad thing. bikers generally are more ready to perform the street level muscle that todays average mafia member doesn't or will not perform.as was mentioned above most bikers will take a pinch and the jail time offering another layer of insulation for a mafia member.comments on this forum about todays mafia soldier being soft,too old,lazy,stupid,extinct you name it abound.
so why wouldn't a soldier or associate use bikers or street gangs to do the work that they will not?

as has been established on this site the number of active mafia members on the east coast is slowly going down.
the areas that the mafia had historically operated in/controlled is shrinking.
in order for some mafia families to still maintain influence in these areas they will need to make alliances w/ other families,biker mc and even street gangs.

i realize this is just a theory and not one shared by many on this forum but the mafia members across ontario and quebec came to this conclusion a long time ago.
the canadian mafia also came to the conclusion that creating alliances with the HA is a much better business decision than fighting them for territory.

I agree with you Vito, and Detroit you made a valid point too I strongly believe that the government cares more about keeping everyone dependent, has nothing to do with some holier-than-thou anti-crime shit.

The number of members in Jersey, at least from surveillance of a wake, average in age about 70 years old. There's not much remaining.

But old men attend wakes of other old men they came up with, younger guys could care less. I don't think this means anything.

Did anyone else get the feeling the rat was telling this story as an alternative to what happened in A Bronx Tale? He seemed to be so happy the bikers did well in this story.

Yes!!!..if u read Sammy bulls wiki..(which I don't adhere to)..it does state that the same situation happened back in the day (70 s)??..maybe?..anyways..u r right jace..good call.

Thank you. That was the story were Gravano tells how he shot the teen who jumped in to defend a biker, it was a good story.
As for the video the topic is about, I was wondering if it was jus the thinking of the scene in Bronx Tale.

MMmmm....".let me sleep on it.. baby baby let me sleep on it....i give u the answer in the mornin'"...

Anyone in the world: some bikers beat up some mafia guys.

The internet: not possible. I saw A Bronx Tale.

You got that right! I dislike when I'm discussing any topic with a person and they start making their points based on a movie or television series they saw.

People are nuts. With the Brinx Tale scene they seem to even think in a real life fight of those guys in the scene the "gangsters" would still win lol.

So it would be actors vs the "bikers " who were actually Real Hells Angels Chuck Zito hooked up with the part. I think in his book chuck said the red haired one was killed in a bike crash almost immediately afterwards. Might have been racing a train or something, I can't remember.

I don't believe his story, just a nobody rat trying to keep an audience.

Bikers are a bunch of pussy hooligans compared to hardcore wiseguys. The Genovese are hardcore wiseguys. Now if they did get beat up I don’t see this one sliding…

I was waiting for someone to mention Chuck Zito because when he was with Hell's Angels NYC he was tight with a lot of Mobsters. Hell's Angels HQ in the Lower East Side was probably less than 15 blocks away from the Ravenite. Here's an image of Chuck with Anthony "Bruno Red" Indelicato and Vincent "Vinny Gorgeous" Basciano, he also attended the funeral of John Gotti.

I think there has rarely been fights between them, as for who would win, it would depend on who is there. No group has a claim to being the toughest IMO. in Jimmy (The Rat) Calandra's story, if it is true, both sides stood up for themselves. The bikers had their point, the owners of the restaurant had theirs. So in his story both sides stood up, unlike him.

I agree. Unless there is a lot of things going on that goes unnoticed by anyone, the mob and bikers seem to rarely ever butt heads. I think they generally travel in different circles. Probably a lot know each other from prison, but they're the same race, so I would think they're on the same side there.

Physical force is absolutely irrelevant.

Keith “Conan” Richter can easily kill Dom Cefalù with his bare hands.

So?

Bikers, except for some out of Canada, aren’t exactly the brightest bunch. I could see them stomping someone without thinking of the consequences and then ending up in a ditch because their victim was well connected.

Story time:

This happened when a biker laid his hands on an Albanian whose cousin I used to be friends with. This Albanian ended up in a hospital, bad brain damage I was told, and that biker thought he won that battle. He wasn’t fully patched (or whatever they call a biker made guy) but was an hang around. Too bad that is irrelevant to most hardcore guys. So then the whole blood clan of the victim went out hunting for the cracker. His body was found in his garage, with swollen blue Mickey Mouse hands that were tied up and with messed up facial features. As far as I know the Albos were never bothered by the dead guy’s crew. They were moving stuff so they weren’t exactly civilians. My friend told me they couldn’t care less if the “leather f^gs” were going after them because they would put them all in the ground.

This was in Michigan in the late 90s.

Cool story bro.

Also, this one time...at band camp...

Another tough guy comes out of the closet. Woo hoo.

Go beat some pagans up. They're not hard to find. Post pics of their cuts with you pissing on them after you stripped em. Come on, we need some action around here!