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Vor y Zakone and Bratva #1028532
01/20/22 02:19 PM
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The Vor got specific rules, like never work, don’t get married, never work with the government etc.
But many members of the Russian Mafia or other ex-countries of the USSR dont respect those rules.

Are they still considered Vor ? Or are they simply a Bratva or Mafia group?

Not all Russian, Georgian criminal that is part of a Bratva is a Vor?

I read somewhere that now, 90% of the Vor come from Georgia.

Also, after WW2, there was a war in many prison of the USSR, between prisoners who did military service during the war and those who refuse because of the rules of the Vor to never work with thé governwment. Did this war separate de Vor (thief in laws) and the criminals that will work with the governement ? Those same guys are the one we think when we imagine the russian mafia, corruption and there hands deep in thé governwment pocket

Re: Vor y Zakone and Bratva [Re: Blackmobs] #1028533
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Today, quite a lot of Vory v Zakone don't respect those rules, even though they are still recognized as Vory by others. There are plenty of them who have their own legal business, are married, or have convictions for crimes that "in theory" should preclude them the possibilty of becoming Vory, like rape, drug trafficking etc (even though as far as drugs are concerned, they are often planted on them by the police, as the easiest way to send them to prison).

In my opinion, the most powerful Russian criminals aren't Vory though, since that status still puts some limits on them: for example, if a Vor is publicly asked whether he is a Vor, and says no, that's considered "dishonorable", even if it's the police or a journalist who asks that. But of course the smartest ones will deny it anyway though...


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Re: Vor y Zakone and Bratva [Re: Blackmobs] #1028571
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Yeah they get arrested all the time in Russia and put on video acknowledging they are a thief in law. I think Russia and the former USSR has changed so much since the fall of communism and the rise of capitalism (and extreme wealth of the elite) it's normal the Thieves world also changes/adapt.

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Yes the world changed alot, and the russian criminal world changed also

For those who want to see a movie about the old ways of the thieves
Should watch Siberian Education ( or Deadly Code in the US).
Its an italian movie about the russian criminal world

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with english subtitles!


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Re: Vor y Zakone and Bratva [Re: Blackmobs] #1028705
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Originally Posted by Blackmobs
The Vor got specific rules, like never work, don’t get married, never work with the government etc.
But many members of the Russian Mafia or other ex-countries of the USSR dont respect those rules.

Are they still considered Vor ? Or are they simply a Bratva or Mafia group?

Not all Russian, Georgian criminal that is part of a Bratva is a Vor?

I read somewhere that now, 90% of the Vor come from Georgia.

Also, after WW2, there was a war in many prison of the USSR, between prisoners who did military service during the war and those who refuse because of the rules of the Vor to never work with thé governwment. Did this war separate de Vor (thief in laws) and the criminals that will work with the governement ? Those same guys are the one we think when we imagine the russian mafia, corruption and there hands deep in thé governwment pocket



Do you know why they have that rule on marriage? It's one of the stranger OC ones I have heard.


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