Killing politicians and policemen in the long term is career suicide. Mexico for instance is going through a certain phase right now and while cartels will always remain - which is always the case when a noteworthy criminal phenomenon takes root - at one point a huge clamp down will happen and it will stabilize.

Cartels in Colombia used to kill judges, but eventually law enforcement came down on them hard. Nowadays Colombian cartels are still highly active, but it has become more of an underground affair.

in the 80s it was still too powerful that's the difference

Not sure of other places, but according to law enforcement in Italy when the Mafia isn't killing people in the upperworld it means that the underworld and upperworld has a good relationship.

After the capture of Riina,was used the submarine tactic and the Mafia under Provenzano turned back in the shadows and the murder is the last choice.

it depends, the impossibility to kill a judge, to say, could be a sign of weakness

It's amazing if you see how many powerful politicians in Colombia are tied to the cocaine business. Also the civil war is pretty much over but not the FARC's continued control over several hundred thousand coca growers in southern Colombia.

The roots of the mafia violence are the so-called Years of Lead (Italian: Anni di piombo) a term used for a period of social and political turmoil in Italy that lasted from the late 1960s until the late 1980s, marked by a wave of both far-left and far-right incidents of political terrorism.

Yes, the FARC these days is split into different "Fronts" which are described as the "ex-FARC mafia". They couldn't care less about ideals and they operate as organized crime outfits. The 1st, 6th, 7th, 10th, 16th and 29th Fronts for instance are highly involved in international drug trafficking among other things.

They don't lack the ability to kill judges, they just don't do it. And there's no reason to, business is good.

Killing judges is a sign of weakness, look at all the guys who killed judges and politicians and others, and where are they? Exactly. It results in loss of income due to loss of personnel to life sentences and huge crackdowns.

I would say that Riina and Company waging war on the Italian State in such a spectacular fashion showed the world that they could pull it off, and showed off their sophistication and military capabilities, and I think at least partially they were able to get some of the things they wanted from the State, at the cost of numerous lives and freedoms. However beyond that, not so much. I think many would agree that Bernardo Provenzano's strategy after Salvatore Riina's 1993 capture has been much more advantageous to the Mafia than Riina's strategy.

Riina was least one who was responsible for all that violence. He just did dirty work that was ordered by corrupt parts of state/secret services.

IMO Riina was a motherless, heartless, scumbag who hurt not only the Italian nation at large, but massacred many of his own people, other so-called "friends" in many other towns and villages as the Corleonesi sort to consolidate their personal power at the expenses of every other crew and borgata across Sicily.

These vicious tactics of course backpacked on him and his people and reverberated throughout all Cosa Nostra as the Italian State eventually became even more galvanized in destroying all of them. Stupid. Extremely stupid! I was "King for a Day," So what?

The mafia on the island is still feeling the negative reverberations of his actions decades later.

I totally get it, part of the State was heavily involved as well. The Mafia will always feel the impact of those days, however business must continue and the show must go on.

Riina attacked the Italian State because wanted the the abolition of the 41 bis. Must understood that until the maxi trial the mobsters had a freedom that would never have after,and some politicians was saying that "the mafia didnt exist".
With the 41 bis the mobsters stay in a small cell,23 h on 24,no hour in the yard,no interaction with other inmates and many mobsters get crazy and flipped.
Riina wanted the abolition of 41 bis, the Corleonesis were called "the peasants with bloodstained boots", they were a herd of animals.

I think when 41 bis first came into play it was really strict, especially during the years when they were killing State officials. But these days you hear about mob bosses running their clans from 41 bis.

More accurately, the rappers emulate the mobsters, not Italians in general. I don't see rappers trying to be Italian. In fact rappers are still the face of urban black style and culture, and much of mainstream style and culture. The only part of Italian culture rappers are interested in is the mobsters, and only the most famous bosses. Lucky, Carlo, Gotti, etc. You don't see any rappers calling themselves Lil Pasquale Conti or Young Jimmy Nap. Just the legendary mob names that crossed over to mainstream culture, like Gotti.

Furio you wouldn't be challenging me to another rap battle, would you?

Italians do have some clean ass surnames, I mean, imagine if the Gambino Family was known as the Johnson crime family, wouldn't be the same lol.

Deleted. No personal insults on this or any other board on this site. Cut that shit out!!

It's quite obvious that Anglophonic names are plain Jane, even The Dutchman changed his name from Arthur Flegenheimer to Dutch Schultz because it sounded better and more imposing. In the underworld things like that are a big deal.

No, I would never dare.

I'm working on ignoring things and blowing stuff off, getting better at it, it’s the ones that catch me off guard that still get me lol. Anyway, have a prosperous year everyone, cheers.