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DeCicco on the bull #1025846
12/19/21 06:08 AM
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British is best....
Re: DeCicco on the bull [Re: British] #1025852
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He was an old timer and he was really defending Gotti. Makes you wonder if all that talk about so many wiseguys, especially older guys really hated Gotti. I have my doubts. I do think he was much more well liked than Gravano and others would have us think. Im sure Chin didnt like him, then again he was from a rival family. Trust me, Chin could of easily had him killed.

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I don't think he was made, I think he was close to them as a friend, and trusted. He knew a lot, but not everything. Since he was not made or a gangster, he was free to do interviews. I believe him more than Gravano, even keeping in mind that he was favorable towards Gotti. Gravano has lied too much, changed h is stories, swore he was going legit back after he ratted, then was shown to be running a fake construction site and a drug ring. He also threatened a citizen in Arizona for questioning him about his construction business, The more videos he does the more he makes things up.

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It's been more or less established that he wasn't made (which is weird considering two of his brothers and his nephew were made).

To me, this itw looks like a media op from the Gotti side in order to discredit Gravano. I find it hard to believe he went on his own and decided to talk spontaneously to the media.

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Originally Posted by Malavita
It's been more or less established that he wasn't made (which is weird considering two of his brothers and his nephew were made).

To me, this itw looks like a media op from the Gotti side in order to discredit Gravano. I find it hard to believe he went on his own and decided to talk spontaneously to the media

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. Agreed. The way he was slobbering over Gotti made it too obvious. Gravano is a piece of shit but there is zero evidence he had anything to do with Decicco’s death

Re: DeCicco on the bull [Re: British] #1025894
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Gravano was filth, everything outta his mouth is bullshit...he didn’t wanna do life in prison that’s the bottom line every other reason is bullshit ....Gravano aka Jimmy Moran murdered a teenage boy

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A March 1986 raid on DiBernardo's office seized alleged "child pornography and financial records." As "a result of the Postal Inspectors seizures [a federal prosecutor] is attempting to indict DiBernardo on child pornography violations" according to an FBI memo dated May 20, 1986.
Thousands of pages of FBI Files that document his involvement in Child Porn
https://www.muckrock.com/foi/united-states-of-america-10/star-distributors-ltd-46454/
https://www.upi.com/Archives/1981/0...s-Miporn-investigation-of/7758361252800/
https://www.courtlistener.com/opinion/1526052/united-states-v-dibernardo/
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Im not talking about him accusing Gravano of killing Frankie DeCicco. I know thats bull, although maybe at the time, he actually believed it.
Im saying that more people actually liked Gotti, including old timers than Gravano would have you think. This whole notion that a lot of guys hated Gotti is completely overblown in my opinion. Not saying some guys didnt hate him but its overblown. By the way, they could have easily killed his son as well as Pete Gotti anytime they wanted in the 90’s but they never did. I dont believe they refrained from killing him just because he was used as a shield and kept the heat off everyone else.
Gravano is also full of shit when he makes it sound as if he and DeCicco called all the shots for the Castellano murder and in one podcast Gravano even audaciously claims he told Gotti to “ shut the fuck up” and do what he and DeCicco tell him to do. I dont believe that for one minute.

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No one knew who killed Frankie Deccico until Gaspipe flipped in 1994.....


A March 1986 raid on DiBernardo's office seized alleged "child pornography and financial records." As "a result of the Postal Inspectors seizures [a federal prosecutor] is attempting to indict DiBernardo on child pornography violations" according to an FBI memo dated May 20, 1986.
Thousands of pages of FBI Files that document his involvement in Child Porn
https://www.muckrock.com/foi/united-states-of-america-10/star-distributors-ltd-46454/
https://www.upi.com/Archives/1981/0...s-Miporn-investigation-of/7758361252800/
https://www.courtlistener.com/opinion/1526052/united-states-v-dibernardo/
Re: DeCicco on the bull [Re: Louiebynochi] #1025976
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Originally Posted by Louiebynochi
.. everything outta his mouth is bullshit.


They dont call him Sammy "The Bull" for nothing.

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Originally Posted by Mamaluke
Originally Posted by Louiebynochi
.. everything outta his mouth is bullshit.


They dont call him Sammy "The Bull" for nothing.




Good one! lol Let's make is his new nickname: Sammy "The Bullshiter " Gravano.

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Quoting Al D’Arco

“He’s Sammy Bullshit, he knew he was gonna get wacked. He was ducking us”


A March 1986 raid on DiBernardo's office seized alleged "child pornography and financial records." As "a result of the Postal Inspectors seizures [a federal prosecutor] is attempting to indict DiBernardo on child pornography violations" according to an FBI memo dated May 20, 1986.
Thousands of pages of FBI Files that document his involvement in Child Porn
https://www.muckrock.com/foi/united-states-of-america-10/star-distributors-ltd-46454/
https://www.upi.com/Archives/1981/0...s-Miporn-investigation-of/7758361252800/
https://www.courtlistener.com/opinion/1526052/united-states-v-dibernardo/
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He leaves out all the parts where he benefited tremendously from first Deccico being killed and then Louie Milito.... he acts like him and Deccico were so close
But Gotti and Deccico did prison time together in Lewisburg and we’re partners in a big Gambling Operation in Little Italy, Gravano went along because he would have been on the outside looking in with Gotti and Frankie...

I don’t believe for a second that Deccico would have Murdered John Gotti.John and Frankie had been extremely close for a decade before they killed Castellano...


A March 1986 raid on DiBernardo's office seized alleged "child pornography and financial records." As "a result of the Postal Inspectors seizures [a federal prosecutor] is attempting to indict DiBernardo on child pornography violations" according to an FBI memo dated May 20, 1986.
Thousands of pages of FBI Files that document his involvement in Child Porn
https://www.muckrock.com/foi/united-states-of-america-10/star-distributors-ltd-46454/
https://www.upi.com/Archives/1981/0...s-Miporn-investigation-of/7758361252800/
https://www.courtlistener.com/opinion/1526052/united-states-v-dibernardo/
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If you listen to Sammy's rise in the "rampers" it kind of has the same themes. Sammy was #2 behind Papa, they got busted and Sammy claims to have seen a signed statement on the desk of the police sergeant, showing that Papa was cooperating.

Gravano goes back and tells the rest of the gang what he saw, and supposedly [ according to him ] they all turn on Papa, and he becomes the leader. Its all just speculation on my part; was there really a paper on that desk? Was Papa really cooperating?

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Ya'll made some real good points.I don't belive that Sammy and Deccico told Gotti "shut the fuck up" either.i also believe Gotti had most of the say in the Castellano killing for he became boss.In underboss,Gravano said he didn't know who told the shooters to dress alike but it was a "great idea" it would confuse any witness.Which it did.Gotti obviously had the lead in the planning with their insight.There are many pics of Gotti and Deccico in prison starting in 1969.That is nearly 2 decades before the killing.They were super close.Also,I agree,if Pappa had signed a statement would the Westside,of all the families not have known.He would have never been made when his name was passed around to the other families

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Re: DeCicco on the bull [Re: British] #1026056
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Sammy has told so many lies at this point that he might be approaching Gianni Russo's record. There is absolutely no way he told Gotti to shut the fuck up. Notice how hard Sammy tries to convince his audience that he was smarter than Gotti and how Gotti was weaker than him. When the truth hurts, people will go out of their way to combat it with lies.

Re: DeCicco on the bull [Re: jace] #1026217
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Originally Posted by jace
I don't think he was made, I think he was close to them as a friend, and trusted. He knew a lot, but not everything. Since he was not made or a gangster, he was free to do interviews. I believe him more than Gravano, even keeping in mind that he was favorable towards Gotti. Gravano has lied too much, changed h is stories, swore he was going legit back after he ratted, then was shown to be running a fake construction site and a drug ring. He also threatened a citizen in Arizona for questioning him about his construction business, The more videos he does the more he makes things up.

Not 2 mention , he is very slow in his delivery of telling a story..( which annoys the hell outta me)..& makes u wonder if he's makin' shit up as he goes along in his head. I watch his stuff only out of curiosity..like that old saying " never believe anything that u hear & only half of what u see"......


I didn't want to leave blood on your carpet...
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Originally Posted by Mamaluke
If you listen to Sammy's rise in the "rampers" it kind of has the same themes. Sammy was #2 behind Papa, they got busted and Sammy claims to have seen a signed statement on the desk of the police sergeant, showing that Papa was cooperating.

Gravano goes back and tells the rest of the gang what he saw, and supposedly [ according to him ] they all turn on Papa, and he becomes the leader. Its all just speculation on my part; was there really a paper on that desk? Was Papa really cooperating?


Joe Vitale who was also a ramper, also seen the letter, and one of Joe Cataldo sons, who's name escapes me. Someone in the Lucchese family also had contacts at that precinct and was told that Gerard Pappa asked for protection. So two other rampers seen the letter and it was not just Gravano word on it. It was enough for the gang. Genovese had sitdowns over with not just the Gambinos over Pappa, but also with the Lucchese, and Colombo families, not just for his antics and Spero murder, but because of that paper. Regardless, Pappa was made in the Genovese crime family and was still up to his antics, the final straw was his unauthorized killing of Ralph Spero.


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Sammy G comes off really bad as he should for a rat murdering pos

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He talks all this shit about how hated Gotti was but Gotti would have never become the boss if he was that hated and Chin hated Gotti cause he feared John Gottis expanding power..by the end of the 80s John had his family,The Colombo’s through Vic Orena and Joey Scopo, The Bonnanos through Joe Massino,New Jersey through Riggi and Damato, New England through Patriarca Jr and Gerard Ouimette and Chicago and New Orleans reached out and Philly through the new Boss in late 90 John Stanfa... Sammy is a jealous liar....


A March 1986 raid on DiBernardo's office seized alleged "child pornography and financial records." As "a result of the Postal Inspectors seizures [a federal prosecutor] is attempting to indict DiBernardo on child pornography violations" according to an FBI memo dated May 20, 1986.
Thousands of pages of FBI Files that document his involvement in Child Porn
https://www.muckrock.com/foi/united-states-of-america-10/star-distributors-ltd-46454/
https://www.upi.com/Archives/1981/0...s-Miporn-investigation-of/7758361252800/
https://www.courtlistener.com/opinion/1526052/united-states-v-dibernardo/
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WOW... Never seen that before that was Joe "Butter" DeCicco, George DeCicco's brother.

He was not made however, had the respect and power and operated as a made guy on the street.

He would sit down with other made guys with the weight and power of his CAPO brother George, in essence he spoke for his brother.

That was def P.R. for John Gotti, probably trying to taint the jury or jury pool.

Would not have done this on his own.

He has been dead for many years now.

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He was active especially in his day, I know in the early 70s he was convicted of bank fraud and in the late 70s was acquitted of bribing 100k for pediatric offices mainly because he didn’t bribe anyone and just kept the 100k that the pediatric doctors payed...


A March 1986 raid on DiBernardo's office seized alleged "child pornography and financial records." As "a result of the Postal Inspectors seizures [a federal prosecutor] is attempting to indict DiBernardo on child pornography violations" according to an FBI memo dated May 20, 1986.
Thousands of pages of FBI Files that document his involvement in Child Porn
https://www.muckrock.com/foi/united-states-of-america-10/star-distributors-ltd-46454/
https://www.upi.com/Archives/1981/0...s-Miporn-investigation-of/7758361252800/
https://www.courtlistener.com/opinion/1526052/united-states-v-dibernardo/
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Even though he didn't have his button, I seen someone literally just about pee their pants when they were approached by him.

So he was pretty lethal and when I met him he was pretty old.

I remember him telling me story about a big insurance scam he pulled off back in the day.

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Originally Posted by BensonHURST
Even though he didn't have his button, I seen someone literally just about pee their pants when they were approached by him.

So he was pretty lethal and when I met him he was pretty old.

I remember him telling me story about a big insurance scam he pulled off back in the day.



A legend 100%

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A March 1986 raid on DiBernardo's office seized alleged "child pornography and financial records." As "a result of the Postal Inspectors seizures [a federal prosecutor] is attempting to indict DiBernardo on child pornography violations" according to an FBI memo dated May 20, 1986.
Thousands of pages of FBI Files that document his involvement in Child Porn
https://www.muckrock.com/foi/united-states-of-america-10/star-distributors-ltd-46454/
https://www.upi.com/Archives/1981/0...s-Miporn-investigation-of/7758361252800/
https://www.courtlistener.com/opinion/1526052/united-states-v-dibernardo/
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Old school...Doing TV interviews....

Can anybody see Quiet Dom doing interviews about The Chin ???

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Originally Posted by DiLorenzo
Old school...Doing TV interviews....

Can anybody see Quiet Dom doing interviews about The Chin ???



I think a few old timers did tv interviews, Galante once spoke to reporters, there is a video online of it. This was an extended interview though. I think since he was not made he could do it. They were trying to counter all the news coverage. The prosecutors due a lot of news interviews and almost do an online trail against a defendant. the Gotti people were looking to combat it with this one interview. Nothing was going to help at that point.

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Originally Posted by jace
Originally Posted by DiLorenzo
Old school...Doing TV interviews....

Can anybody see Quiet Dom doing interviews about The Chin ???



I think a few old timers did tv interviews, Galante once spoke to reporters, there is a video online of it. This was an extended interview though. I think since he was not made he could do it. They were trying to counter all the news coverage. The prosecutors due a lot of news interviews and almost do an online trail against a defendant. the Gotti people were looking to combat it with this one interview. Nothing was going to help at that point.



I agree the Gotti's did this with Jr. Vickie wrote a book and released it right when the jury was about to deliberate
She wrote a chapter or somehow included that Jr. Quit the Mob,

And that part ran in the news cycle that he quit
In an effort to sway the jury.

They did multiple things such as that to try and out smart or battle the prosecutors

I personally dont think they get enough credit as a whole

At this point they are an easy target

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Sammy's latest pod about Costa Nostra history is quite funny, he does not seem to have much of a clue!

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