One major thing missing in La Cosa Nostra these days is the fear factor, nobody outside of the mob fears crossing them, and nobody within the mob fears turning on it. The days of vicious, bloodthirsty killers are long gone. And please don't give me this shit about laws being tougher these days, hell multiple murderers like Lepke Buchalter and many others from Murder Incorporated went to the electric chair back in the 1940s, and guys like Carmine Galante, Tommy Pitera, and the Gemini Twins are doing or have done tons of time. So if you plan on going on one of those rants about tougher laws, this thread isn't for you.
Re: The Mob no Longer Has Serious Killers
[Re: DillyDolly]
#1022681 10/31/2105:05 AM10/31/2105:05 AM
One major thing missing in La Cosa Nostra these days is the fear factor, nobody outside of the mob fears crossing them, and nobody within the mob fears turning on it. The days of vicious, bloodthirsty killers are long gone. And please don't give me this shit about laws being tougher these days, hell multiple murderers like Lepke Buchalter and many others from Murder Incorporated went to the electric chair back in the 1940s, and guys like Carmine Galante, Tommy Pitera, and the Gemini Twins are doing or have done tons of time. So if you plan on going on one of those rants about tougher laws, this thread isn't for you.
I have to agree with you 100 percent on that note.if this were 40 years ago no way would Alites kids be in Howard Beach, Calandra driving a truck in Manhattan or that whole Snitch colony consisting of DiLeonardo,Russo, Romano,etc down in South Florida.tbey would be hiding like Henry Hill in Nebraska, Freddy DiNome and Vinny aocean in Texas or Frank Culotta in Mobile, Alabama
Re: The Mob no Longer Has Serious Killers
[Re: DillyDolly]
#1022682 10/31/2105:56 AM10/31/2105:56 AM
Within the last 25 years, I had and/or witnessed at least 4 encounters with either associates or Made men in Brooklyn and Queens that made me realize that the LCN was very real and if you opened your mouth the wrong way to the wrong person, you could have a very big problem to deal with, SERIOUSLY. In 2013 I witnessed a knife fight involving Preston Geritano's younger brother Benny on Smith St in Carroll Gardens with a local restaurateur, it was very bloody and both of them almost died. When I opened the Costco in Brooklyn in 1996, we were robbed by Gambino associate two weeks after we opened and they stole almost $700,000 at gunpoint. I got a couple of other stories that will make the hairs on your neck stand up too.
Re: The Mob no Longer Has Serious Killers
[Re: CNote]
#1022684 10/31/2106:22 AM10/31/2106:22 AM
I'm not sure if the knife fight counts as a mob episode, but sure mob crews are still carrying out violent robberies. But I'm talking about the Families having vicious, murderous crews to instill terror and fear into people. The days of bumping into guys with a dozen hits under their belts are over, they're just soft these days. They're afraid of prison, and in the underworld once the wolves smell fear they'll trample all over you. If you still had guys like Roy DeMeo and Tommy Pitera walking around those rats would think twice before putting that wire on. This is why every other guy is wired up. I guarantee you that right now as we speak there are several wired-up informants on the streets recording every wiseguy they can. It's a sick joke.
Re: The Mob no Longer Has Serious Killers
[Re: DillyDolly]
#1022685 10/31/2106:38 AM10/31/2106:38 AM
While I agree with most of what you said here, you are wrong about them not having serious people around anymore. You wouldn't even believe how many serious guys are still out there. They have the numbers, but they don't have the benefits they used to have.
Re: The Mob no Longer Has Serious Killers
[Re: CNote]
#1022686 10/31/2106:43 AM10/31/2106:43 AM
Within the last 25 years, I had and/or witnessed at least 4 encounters with either associates or Made men in Brooklyn and Queens that made me realize that the LCN was very real and if you opened your mouth the wrong way to the wrong person, you could have a very big problem to deal with, SERIOUSLY. In 2013 I witnessed a knife fight involving Preston Geritano's younger brother Benny on Smith St in Carroll Gardens with a local restaurateur, it was very bloody and both of them almost died. When I opened the Costco in Brooklyn in 1996, we were robbed by Gambino associate two weeks after we opened and they stole almost $700,000 at gunpoint. I got a couple of other stories that will make the hairs on your neck stand up too.
Yeah, there are so many things that have happened in the street that have never made it into the public forum. People's jaws would drop if they heard some of this. Where in Brooklyn are you from if I may ask?
Re: The Mob no Longer Has Serious Killers
[Re: DillyDolly]
#1022687 10/31/2106:50 AM10/31/2106:50 AM
It's definitely not the wild, west of the Seventies but like I said, you have a road rage incident with the wrong person and presto you have have four guys waiting for you by your car when you get out of work and then what are you going to do? The knife fight I saw was over a late vig or something, they tried to play it down when questioned by the cops about it but everyone knew it was connected(with my index finger pressed against the side if my nose).
Within the last 25 years, I had and/or witnessed at least 4 encounters with either associates or Made men in Brooklyn and Queens that made me realize that the LCN was very real and if you opened your mouth the wrong way to the wrong person, you could have a very big problem to deal with, SERIOUSLY. In 2013 I witnessed a knife fight involving Preston Geritano's younger brother Benny on Smith St in Carroll Gardens with a local restaurateur, it was very bloody and both of them almost died. When I opened the Costco in Brooklyn in 1996, we were robbed by Gambino associate two weeks after we opened and they stole almost $700,000 at gunpoint. I got a couple of other stories that will make the hairs on your neck stand up too.
Yeah, there are so many things that have happened in the street that have never made it into the public forum. People's jaws would drop if they heard some of this. Where in Brooklyn are you from if I may ask?
I lived in mobbed up Carroll Gardens for 16 years and before that Whitestone, Queens five blocks away from Carmine(Mr. Gribbs)Tramunti and 10 blocks from Tommy Lucchese’s house in Malba, Queens.
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Re: The Mob no Longer Has Serious Killers
[Re: DillyDolly]
#1022691 10/31/2107:08 AM10/31/2107:08 AM
The 1970s? Shit, this ain't even the early 1990s. I'm sure there are plenty of violent episodes, and I'm sure they still have serious people. I'm just not so sure if they have the truly demented murderous sickos of days gone by. But hey, that's why I started this thread to have an open discussion about it and see what you guys think. I just wanted some fresh perspectives and not the same "laws are tougher, technology is more sophisticated" spill we usually get. Those things are factors, but it's more complicated than that.
Re: The Mob no Longer Has Serious Killers
[Re: DillyDolly]
#1022732 11/01/2106:18 AM11/01/2106:18 AM
I seriously doubt it. All the turncoats walking around doing podcasts, their family members on tv, the other gangs taking their turf. It’s easy to say there’s a bunch of really tough guys out on the street without naming them and giving real examples of recent violence. Hell Cali was killed in front of his home, in front of his family and NOTHING. And for those who claim the Sicilians need to come over to help cause they’re tough, well he was Sicilian and...nothing. So I doubt it
Re: The Mob no Longer Has Serious Killers
[Re: majicrat]
#1022733 11/01/2107:12 AM11/01/2107:12 AM
The guy who killed Cali is under HEAVY protection, it's just unrealistic to expect anything there. As far as street gangs taking their turf, you have to understand that the Mafia these days are seeking areas that street gangs can only dream of, such as union control, business infiltration, finance through loansharking, in other words the more sophisticated stuff. But you are right, the days of cold-blooded multiple murderers are over for LCN. People can say what they want about tougher laws or whatnot, but the fact remains that back in the day they had guys who didn't give a fuck, life sentence be damned. And the Mafiosi from the old country are the only hope that the American Mafia has to continue on, I strongly stand by that.
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Re: The Mob no Longer Has Serious Killers
[Re: DillyDolly]
#1022735 11/01/2107:17 AM11/01/2107:17 AM
And I believe in giving credit where credit is due, Cali spent virtually his entire life around The Life, and much of it on two continents, yet he only served what, a couple of years at most in the can? It's important that while we're bashing people for their failures to also point out their successes.
Re: The Mob no Longer Has Serious Killers
[Re: DillyDolly]
#1022736 11/01/2107:19 AM11/01/2107:19 AM
New York has hundreds of guys more than "capable" to pull a trigger. But they've been told NO killings. And you follow the bosses orders. Its a dictate that's come down and been in place at least 10-15 years now already.
But believe me, if they're given the high sign, you'd have guys dropping bodies all over NY/NJ. But do you understand the federal heat that would bring? Thats the reason for the "moratorium"
The easiest thing in the world is to "pull a trigger," but then they'd have to deal with the consequences and fallout of that, which today are very bad.
New York has hundreds of guys more than "capable" to pull a trigger. But they've been told NO killings. And you follow the bosses orders. Its a dictate that's come down and been in place at least 10-15 years now already.
But believe me, if they're given the high sign, you'd have guys dropping bodies all over NY/NJ. But do you understand the federal heat that would bring? Thats the reason for the "moratorium"
The easiest thing in the world is to "pull a trigger," but then they'd have to deal with the consequences and fallout of that, which today are very bad.
Nobody forbid them to kill and hide the body.
Re: The Mob no Longer Has Serious Killers
[Re: DillyDolly]
#1022746 11/01/2108:12 AM11/01/2108:12 AM
For one, the government has a huge hard-on for the Italian-American mafia. The least of noise any wiseguy makes and LE is on top of it in no time.
On the other hand, the government doesn't give a flying crap about African American, Puerto Rican or Dominican gangbangers stuck in their ghettos. Nor do they give a shit about a bunch of white trash living in NJ trailer parks. Sure they sell drugs (and a lot of it too) and shake down a few small businesses, but that's basically all they ever do. As far as LE is concerned, these gangs are fighting over chump change so they just let them have at it. Just let them sell their cocaine, crank, scag or meth so they can buy their Gucci or Moncler, their gold jewelry or so they can pay for the maintenance of their second Harley or Bentley. From the moment the activities of street gangs will start to threaten things like legalized gambling, personal loans (like the banks do these days), big time economies (like unions)...then you will see LE start changing their tune about them.
The Mafia is seen as a threat; street/biker/prison gangs are seen as a nuisance. That's the difference.
And if we're talking about the lack of violence conducted by LCN...what about other organized crime "threats" in the area? Where are the "Russians"? Albanians? Israelis? Even the Chinese? Sure they're around, but they're definitely not dropping bodies left and right either.
Re: The Mob no Longer Has Serious Killers
[Re: Newengland]
#1022748 11/01/2108:54 AM11/01/2108:54 AM
I have to ask you something. It seems to me that you maybe trying to be like gangland news and that is fine with me but what do you know about pulling a trigger. You say in your post it’s the easiest thing to do. You also talk about guys doing life like you know these people. I just do not get how you talk like you have been there in the life. I will say this it’s sad that the guys doing life or double digit numbers and you have all these guys with podcast and friends or so call friends walk around like it’s ok must really be a gut check.
If you visit my website, and scroll down to the "about us" link, you can read a bit about my background. I keep the description light and don't get into specifics, but hopefully people can read between the lines and understand what I attempted to convey.
For one, the government has a huge hard-on for the Italian-American mafia. The least of noise any wiseguy makes and LE is on top of it in no time.
On the other hand, the government doesn't give a flying crap about African American, Puerto Rican or Dominican gangbangers stuck in their ghettos. Nor do they give a shit about a bunch of white trash living in NJ trailer parks. Sure they sell drugs (and a lot of it too) and shake down a few small businesses, but that's basically all they ever do. As far as LE is concerned, these gangs are fighting over chump change so they just let them have at it. Just let them sell their cocaine, crank, scag or meth so they can buy their Gucci or Moncler, their gold jewelry or so they can pay for the maintenance of their second Harley or Bentley. From the moment the activities of street gangs will start to threaten things like legalized gambling, personal loans (like the banks do these days), big time economies (like unions)...then you will see LE start changing their tune about them.
The Mafia is seen as a threat; street/biker/prison gangs are seen as a nuisance. That's the difference.
And if we're talking about the lack of violence conducted by LCN...what about other organized crime "threats" in the area? Where are the "Russians"? Albanians? Israelis? Even the Chinese? Sure they're around, but they're definitely not dropping bodies left and right either.
I have to ask you something. It seems to me that you maybe trying to be like gangland news and that is fine with me but what do you know about pulling a trigger. You say in your post it’s the easiest thing to do. You also talk about guys doing life like you know these people.
He does know these people. "The Other Guy" is actually a made guy. He's a captain. Writing is just a little side hustle for him
You have nice day I should only come on here to read I always tell myself not to say anything. If you know Bigge he knows me and he will not tell you who I am but he will let you know that I am not a clown. Again it’s my fault for even commenting on here.
