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Guys who were marked for death; but never died #1022271
10/24/21 12:13 AM
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Interesting topic I thought of;

Who are some guys who were marked for death; but were never killed because the contract was pulled off; they got a “pass”; fled NYC and was never found? Entered the witness protection program or simply the heat was too much for them to be whacked. The other reason would be that they got “shelved”.

My two guys would be

Pete Casella - He was told to leave to Florida or he would be whacked for the murder of Phil Testa.

Frank Costello - Marked for death and was injured but Vito Genovese allowed him to retire.

Any others??? Would love some other responses!

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Re: Guys who were marked for death; but never died [Re: Zavattoni] #1022275
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Bruno Indelicato
Tommy Pitera
Angelo Ruggiero
Aniello Migliore
Peter Chiodo
Anthony Accetturo
Tommy Ricciardi
Frank Gioia Sr.
Salvatore Merlino
Tommy DelGiorno
Frank Scarabino


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Re: Guys who were marked for death; but never died [Re: Zavattoni] #1022278
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Harry Riccobene,was arrested before Scarfo men can whack him.
Benjiamin "Lefty" Ruggiero,for the Pistone case,he kept yhe mouth shout done his time in prison and gave him a pass.

Re: Guys who were marked for death; but never died [Re: Zavattoni] #1022282
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Capo Mike Sabella and Underboss Nicky Marangello of the Bonnanos were supposed to get killed after the "3 captains" murder. According to Joe Pistone,Lefty Ruggiero told him that they got a pass and were "knocked down",i.e reduced to the rank of Soldier,because "a lot of people liked them".

Re: Guys who were marked for death; but never died [Re: Zavattoni] #1022287
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John Gotti was marked for death by Chin and Tony Ducks for the Castellano hit but was never killed and died in bed and there was the beef between Quack Quack and Gaspipe after Casso told Paul that Quack Quack was a rat, some people got killed and shot up but not Casso or Ruggiero who both died in bed.

Re: Guys who were marked for death; but never died [Re: CNote] #1022291
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If Gotti wasn't on camera around the clock I'm certain he would've been killed and Mafia history would've changed for the better.

Re: Guys who were marked for death; but never died [Re: Zavattoni] #1022297
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Originally Posted by Zavattoni
Interesting topic I thought of;

Who are some guys who were marked for death; but were never killed because the contract was pulled off; they got a “pass”; fled NYC and was never found? Entered the witness protection program or simply the heat was too much for them to be whacked. The other reason would be that they got “shelved”.

My two guys would be

Pete Casella - He was told to leave to Florida or he would be whacked for the murder of Phil Testa.

Frank Costello - Marked for death and was injured but Vito Genovese allowed him to retire.

Any others??? Would love some other responses!


The Commission gave Bonanno a pass in 1968 but put him on the shelf for his botched plot to kill Gambino, Lucchese and Magaddino.

Re: Guys who were marked for death; but never died [Re: Zavattoni] #1022307
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What about Frank Lino?

Wasn’t he suppose to be killed in the 3 capo murder??

But was able to escape and run to his cousin Eddie Lino?

Eddie spoke with Neil Dellacroce and Frank Lino got a “pass”

Only if he could find and kill Bruno Indelicato right?


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Re: Guys who were marked for death; but never died [Re: Zavattoni] #1022317
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Originally Posted by Zavattoni
What about Frank Lino?

Wasn’t he suppose to be killed in the 3 capo murder??

But was able to escape and run to his cousin Eddie Lino?

Eddie spoke with Neil Dellacroce and Frank Lino got a “pass”

Only if he could find and kill Bruno Indelicato right?


Yes. There are alot more members who got passes during civil wars in families. Bruno and Pitera were called in and didn't show up to the meetings, especially after they tried to hit the Gottis after the 3 Capo murders as Bruno found out that John Gotti crew were in charge of disposing of the bodies. So the Commission put out a contract on Indelicato, Pitera and anyone else with them, which Lino was given to test his loyalty to Rastelli, Sonny Black, and Fat Joe. That is where the contract came into play, and Lino already got a pass thanks to his cousin Eddie, and Dellacroce. Once Bruno was arrested, those around him came back in the fold and were placed in Frank Linos crew which was Brunos old crew. It was a test on Linos loyalty.


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Re: Guys who were marked for death; but never died [Re: Zavattoni] #1022318
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Makes sense ….

I made a topic a month or so ago about Anthony Tortorello; He insulted Chin about drugs; and Gigante got upset and wanted him killed;

Casso saved Tortorello from certain death by feigning a beating of Tortorello and placating Gigante. (Ironic)


“I called your f—— house five times yesterday, now, if you’re going to disregard my m—– f—— phone calls, I’ll blow you and that f —— house up… This is not a f—— game. My time is valuable. If I ever hear anybody else calls you and you respond within five days, I’ll f—— kill you.” ~ John Gotti.
Re: Guys who were marked for death; but never died [Re: Zavattoni] #1022323
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Lou Para, that was after Carmine Galante was killed, before the 3 capos were killed.


"I have this Nightmare. I'm on 5th avenue watching the St. Patrick's Day parade and I have a coronary and nine thousand cops march happily over my body." Chief Sidney Green
Re: Guys who were marked for death; but never died [Re: Giacomo_Vacari] #1022324
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Originally Posted by Giacomo_Vacari
Lou Para, that was after Carmine Galante was killed, before the 3 capos were killed.

You are absolutely correct Sir. Chalk it up to an ever-increasing occurrence of brain farts.

Re: Guys who were marked for death; but never died [Re: Zavattoni] #1022344
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add jerry papa, joe matinelli, neil dellacroce, ciodo's sister, gotti jr , nicky cowboy ,carmine sessa,scarpa, lil vic, carl gambino, aronwald, list is end lessevery guy in every war that survived.

Re: Guys who were marked for death; but never died [Re: Zavattoni] #1022352
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Pretty sure the contract on Gerry Pappa was fulfilled.

Re: Guys who were marked for death; but never died [Re: Zavattoni] #1022354
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not the first time they missed , him and emma were targeted together, got emma, papa got away..years later he was killed for other reasons, hope that helps.

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Re: Guys who were marked for death; but never died [Re: Zavattoni] #1022355
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Another controversial guy that I’ve gotten a lot of criticism on;

Chickie Ciancaglini; He most likely had some inside knowledge of the Angelo Bruno hit; but was saved by Nicky Scarfo; NY wanted Chickie gone from several sources…. He was too close to Frank Sindone; Phil Testa allowed him to live and get a “pass” if he got rid of Sindone; What do people think??

Also what about John Stanfa??? Wasn’t he a marked man in some type of capacity?? He fled to NJ to be with the Cherry Hill Gambino’s and was saved by Paul Castellano from being whacked. Castellano had to meet with Corallo; Fat Tony and a few others.. for this to happen.

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“I called your f—— house five times yesterday, now, if you’re going to disregard my m—– f—— phone calls, I’ll blow you and that f —— house up… This is not a f—— game. My time is valuable. If I ever hear anybody else calls you and you respond within five days, I’ll f—— kill you.” ~ John Gotti.
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Re: Guys who were marked for death; but never died [Re: Zavattoni] #1022411
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Although he didn't get a pass, Gravano was marked for death by Peter Gotti. Huck Carbonaro and an associate, Fat Sal, made an elaborate, well-financed plan to track him down and blow him up in Tempe AZ, where he was operating a swimming pool construction business. The plot failed because the Feds arrested him on a drug dealing charge:

https://www.nytimes.com/2003/05/16/...saved-him-from-murder-officials-say.html


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Re: Guys who were marked for death; but never died [Re: Turnbull] #1022416
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Originally Posted by Turnbull
Although he didn't get a pass, Gravano was marked for death by Peter Gotti. Huck Carbonaro and an associate, Fat Sal, made an elaborate, well-financed plan to track him down and blow him up in Tempe AZ, where he was operating a swimming pool construction business. The plot failed because the Feds arrested him on a drug dealing charge:

https://www.nytimes.com/2003/05/16/...saved-him-from-murder-officials-say.html



Gravano was lucky that those 2 were the ones sent out there to kill him. They had him in their sites several times, but kept prolonging things by saying they needed disguises, and were growing beards and trying to look like motorcycle club members. If Peter Gotti had sent 2 serious people out there Gravano would be dead IMO. That may have scared off future rats, but the heat would have come down hard on the mafia.

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Yeah it's sad that they would increase the heat for a scum bucket like Gravano.

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Originally Posted by jace
Originally Posted by Turnbull
Although he didn't get a pass, Gravano was marked for death by Peter Gotti. Huck Carbonaro and an associate, Fat Sal, made an elaborate, well-financed plan to track him down and blow him up in Tempe AZ, where he was operating a swimming pool construction business. The plot failed because the Feds arrested him on a drug dealing charge:

https://www.nytimes.com/2003/05/16/...saved-him-from-murder-officials-say.html



Gravano was lucky that those 2 were the ones sent out there to kill him. They had him in their sites several times, but kept prolonging things by saying they needed disguises, and were growing beards and trying to look like motorcycle club members. If Peter Gotti had sent 2 serious people out there Gravano would be dead IMO. That may have scared off future rats, but the heat would have come down hard on the mafia.


Carbonaro was a killer with 3 men killed while fat sal mangiavillano wasnt a killer so the mistake was to send a proved killer and a bank robber that would do everything to aboid life for the killing of high profile rat.

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I'm not sure how Roy DeMeo survived until 1983 when he was part of th Gallo Gang in the early 60s right Louie?

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In the days of Capone vs Moran both sides had a lot of people marked for death who got away as time passed. Capone was going to be killed if he did not go to prison. I think even after he came out, if he was not so sick somebody would have killed him.

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agree jace

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I'm not so sure Capone would've been killed, if they didn't have to low-blow him with tax evasion (because they couldn't get him on anything else) I believe he would've had around another decade in power. It would've been interesting to see how the Outfit would've turned out.

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I thought Ricca and Nitti had something to do with keeping Capone of the streets and in prison. Capone wasn't going to be a good boss for the times ahead and he like Gotti brought on too much attention. Capone could've taken a deal but they all assured him that he was fine with the paid off jury.

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Baldo Amato was marked for death cause he was shaking down drug dealers who we’re associated with Phil Rastelli; but Joseph Massino convinced Rastelli to give Amato a “pass” because he was following his captain’s order (Cesare Bonventre)

Bonventre got whacked for walking out on a meeting on Rusty (that’s what I heard a while back)

Baldo was able to live…

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