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Killings of judges, cops, etc. #1022234
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Besides Edwin Helfant, Joe Petrosino, and Everett Hatcher, were there any documented killings of judges, cops and prosecutors by the Mafia in the USA?

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petrosino was killed in italy

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Hatcher was not a Mafia killing the mob did kill the guy who did it.

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Judge George Aronwald was killed by the Colombo family. He was the wrong target though as the intended target was his son, William Aronwald, the prosecutor in Carmine Persico 's trial.

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Didn't Scarfo kill or have that one judge killed?

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Originally Posted by DillyDolly
Didn't Scarfo kill or have that one judge killed?

Originally Posted by DillyDolly
Didn't Scarfo kill or have that one judge killed?

Yes..Edwin Helfant , a corrrupt judge, who, @ the time Nick the blade Virgilio whacked him was on trial 4 the very reason Scarfo & Co. did, bribery in exchange 4 shorter sentences..but that didn't happen w/ Nick Virgilio...Helfant took 12 k & still gave him the max..2 bad 4 him 6 yrs later...Scarfo never forgives & never forgets.

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I didn't want to leave blood on your carpet...
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Court Officer Albert Gelb in 76 I believe

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True Everett Hatcher WAS NOT a mob hit. I think some people don't know what a mob hit really is. Farace acted alone, the mob didn't sanction it. And Farace wasn't even a made man he was an associate. Let's say a Mafioso is out gambling, words are exchanged and money is lost, with the loser getting pissed and shooting the wiseguy dead. True, a mobster was killed that night, but it wasn't a mob hit. Or a mobster is robbed and killed while making his collections by some freelance criminal, that's not a mob hit. Or when that Gambino associate recently killed that Lucchese-affiliated loanshark and robbed him, that wasn't a mob hit. Or when Zottola Jr. paid a street gang to kill his father for a bigger piece of his business/rackets, that wasn't a mob hit. Alright I'm done with my rant but I think you get the picture.

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http://www.gangsterbb.net/threads/ubbthreads.php?ubb=showflat&Number=799935&page=1

victim: Anton Cermak,Chicago Mayor
date of death: March 20, 1933
behind the murder:The Outfit
killer/s:Giuseppe Zangara

Not clear why the outfit was ordered to kill Cermak, nor whether he was the real target and not Roosevelt

http://archive.wtsp.com/news/local/story.aspx?storyid=135110

Tampa Officers Killed: Officer Morris D. Lopez



Tampa Police - Officer Morris Lopez, age 25, conducted his daily foot patrol in historic Ybor City, this was his beat. On July 9, 1949, Officer Lopez just finished contacting headquarters on the Ybor City call box.
Officer Lopez was standing at the corner of 7th Ave. and N. 16th St. when a blue Ford stopped nearby and a gunshot rang out. As the vehicle sped away, Officer Lopez dropped to the sidewalk and died from a gunshot wound to his upper chest.

Detective Richard Cloud was a vice cop who uncovered ties between the Tampa Mafia, strip club industry, drug dealing, and politicians. When he got too close to higher ups in Tampa PD, he was fired. A few months later, in October of 1975 he answered the door to his house and was shot and killed by low level associate Benjamin Guilford who was hired by Anthony Antone (who was put to death for the murder). Guilford killed himself in jail, as did the man who was the mastermind, Victor Acosta. Another accomplice Ellis Haskew testified and was sentenced to 35 years in prison.

victim: Edwin Helfant, lawyer and part-time municipal court judge
date of death: 15 February 1978
behind the murder: Nicholas "The Blade" Virgilio and Nicky Scarfo Sr
killer/s:Nicholas "The Blade" Virgilio

victim: NY Det. Anthony J. Venditti
date of death: 8 p.m. on the evening of Jan. 21, 1986
behind the murder:fight with three mobsters
killer/s: Federico Giovanelli,Steven Maltese and Carmine Gualtiere

Giovanelli and his two accomplices— identified as Steven Maltese and Carmine Gualtiere—were arrested a short time after the fatal shooting. Following two trials which ended in hung juries, they were acquitted of second-degree murder charges during the third trial. All three men were later convicted on federal racketeering charges and incarcerated.


victim: George Aronwald (real target his son William)
date of death: March 20, 1987
behind the murder:Carmine Persico
killer/s: brothers Vincent and Eddie Carnini hired by Joel Cacace

Persico believed that Aronwald, who had helped prosecute Persico, had been disrespectful to the Cosa Nostra.

victim: retired officer Carlo Antonino
date of death: January 1987
behind the murder:The Colombos
killer/s:maybe Joel Cacace


victim:officer Ralph Dols
date of death: August 25, 1997
behind the murder: Cacace felt humiliated that Dols, a Latino, had recently married Cacace's ex-wife Kim.
killer/s:Colombo capo Dino Calabro and soldier Dino Saracino

Thanks to Villain from the Black Hand Forum

In 1926 States Attorney William McSwiggan,known as the “Hanging prosecutor”(for having sent 7 criminals to Death Row in 8 months)was shot to death by a machine gun fire infront of a gambling joint together with two prominent gangsters, James J. Doherty and Thomas Duffy.With this example the mob for the first time characterized its rule in Chicago.

In 1924 Democratic politican Michael Gavin was shot in both legs but survived.

In 1925, David Morgan Chief investigator for the Minister's and Citizens association was shot by Cicero Outfit members but he also survived the shooting.

In 1932 during the battle between John Swanson a State's attorney for Cook County and his opponent Thomas Courtney,the Democratic candidate,a Republican precinct captain was caught in a cross fire of shots between a Democratic precinct captain and five gangsters, who were attacking him. The wounded man later died.

In 1935 tate Representative Albert J. Prignano was shot to death in the doorway of his Chicago home by 3 Outfit gunmen.

In 1936 John M. Bolton while driving home was pursued by another car and during the chase one of the hitmen blew off Bolton's head with a shotgun.

In 1949, Cicero’s former assistant state's attorney Frank Christensen was shot to death outside of his home.

In the 1950's Attorney Marvin Bas, the Republican nominee for Circuit Court Clerk was also murdered by the Outfit.

In 1952 Charles Gross, the Republican Committeeman from the 31st Ward was blown away by seven shotgun blasts.

In 1953 Clem Graver, a state representative and 21st Ward Republican Committeeman was kidnapped by 3 guys and was never seen again.

In 1958 Ben Lewis,the first black alderman to represent the 24th Ward was tied to a chair in his office and shot in the head three times.

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August 6, 1930 Judge Joseph Force Crater, whose disappearance was unsolved for many decades until 2005 when a handwritten letter by Stella Ferrucci-Good in an envelope marked "Do not open until I die." was discovered and opened by her granddaughter revealing a twisted tale involving Murder Incorporated, though never confirmed neither has there been evidence to debunk the bizarre story.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joseph_Force_Crater

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Originally Posted by furio_from_naples
http://www.gangsterbb.net/threads/ubbthreads.php?ubb=showflat&Number=799935&page=1

victim: Anton Cermak,Chicago Mayor
date of death: March 20, 1933
behind the murder:The Outfit
killer/s:Giuseppe Zangara

Not clear why the outfit was ordered to kill Cermak, nor whether he was the real target and not Roosevelt

http://archive.wtsp.com/news/local/story.aspx?storyid=135110

Tampa Officers Killed: Officer Morris D. Lopez



Tampa Police - Officer Morris Lopez, age 25, conducted his daily foot patrol in historic Ybor City, this was his beat. On July 9, 1949, Officer Lopez just finished contacting headquarters on the Ybor City call box.
Officer Lopez was standing at the corner of 7th Ave. and N. 16th St. when a blue Ford stopped nearby and a gunshot rang out. As the vehicle sped away, Officer Lopez dropped to the sidewalk and died from a gunshot wound to his upper chest.

Detective Richard Cloud was a vice cop who uncovered ties between the Tampa Mafia, strip club industry, drug dealing, and politicians. When he got too close to higher ups in Tampa PD, he was fired. A few months later, in October of 1975 he answered the door to his house and was shot and killed by low level associate Benjamin Guilford who was hired by Anthony Antone (who was put to death for the murder). Guilford killed himself in jail, as did the man who was the mastermind, Victor Acosta. Another accomplice Ellis Haskew testified and was sentenced to 35 years in prison.

victim: Edwin Helfant, lawyer and part-time municipal court judge
date of death: 15 February 1978
behind the murder: Nicholas "The Blade" Virgilio and Nicky Scarfo Sr
killer/s:Nicholas "The Blade" Virgilio

victim: NY Det. Anthony J. Venditti
date of death: 8 p.m. on the evening of Jan. 21, 1986
behind the murder:fight with three mobsters
killer/s: Federico Giovanelli,Steven Maltese and Carmine Gualtiere

Giovanelli and his two accomplices— identified as Steven Maltese and Carmine Gualtiere—were arrested a short time after the fatal shooting. Following two trials which ended in hung juries, they were acquitted of second-degree murder charges during the third trial. All three men were later convicted on federal racketeering charges and incarcerated.


victim: George Aronwald (real target his son William)
date of death: March 20, 1987
behind the murder:Carmine Persico
killer/s: brothers Vincent and Eddie Carnini hired by Joel Cacace

Persico believed that Aronwald, who had helped prosecute Persico, had been disrespectful to the Cosa Nostra.

victim: retired officer Carlo Antonino
date of death: January 1987
behind the murder:The Colombos
killer/s:maybe Joel Cacace


victim:officer Ralph Dols
date of death: August 25, 1997
behind the murder: Cacace felt humiliated that Dols, a Latino, had recently married Cacace's ex-wife Kim.
killer/s:Colombo capo Dino Calabro and soldier Dino Saracino

Thanks to Villain from the Black Hand Forum

In 1926 States Attorney William McSwiggan,known as the “Hanging prosecutor”(for having sent 7 criminals to Death Row in 8 months)was shot to death by a machine gun fire infront of a gambling joint together with two prominent gangsters, James J. Doherty and Thomas Duffy.With this example the mob for the first time characterized its rule in Chicago.

In 1924 Democratic politican Michael Gavin was shot in both legs but survived.

In 1925, David Morgan Chief investigator for the Minister's and Citizens association was shot by Cicero Outfit members but he also survived the shooting.

In 1932 during the battle between John Swanson a State's attorney for Cook County and his opponent Thomas Courtney,the Democratic candidate,a Republican precinct captain was caught in a cross fire of shots between a Democratic precinct captain and five gangsters, who were attacking him. The wounded man later died.

In 1935 tate Representative Albert J. Prignano was shot to death in the doorway of his Chicago home by 3 Outfit gunmen.

In 1936 John M. Bolton while driving home was pursued by another car and during the chase one of the hitmen blew off Bolton's head with a shotgun.

In 1949, Cicero’s former assistant state's attorney Frank Christensen was shot to death outside of his home.

In the 1950's Attorney Marvin Bas, the Republican nominee for Circuit Court Clerk was also murdered by the Outfit.

In 1952 Charles Gross, the Republican Committeeman from the 31st Ward was blown away by seven shotgun blasts.

In 1953 Clem Graver, a state representative and 21st Ward Republican Committeeman was kidnapped by 3 guys and was never seen again.

In 1958 Ben Lewis,the first black alderman to represent the 24th Ward was tied to a chair in his office and shot in the head three times

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thanks for posting this Furio! Although the mob will try to avoid killing law enforcement there are still examples of that happening just like civilian victims

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most of these are political assignations or random non-OC cop killings, why are they on this forum? JC Crusher, are you as dumb as Furio? How is the assignation attempt on President Roosevelt by a nut who was a communist, resulting in Cermak's death. Nothing to do with he mob! Yet you two are trying again to make like the mob is killing them on a regular basis. Same for the Officer Lopez death, and a few others in that post. What next, the deaths of fictional characters from movies as Mafia victims? How about Furio posts a few deaths from Star Wars, and JCrusher can say "Thanks Furio, this shows how bad the Mafia is" ohwell

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Originally Posted by CNote
August 6, 1930 Judge Joseph Force Crater, whose disappearance was unsolved for many decades until 2005 when a handwritten letter by Stella Ferrucci-Good in an envelope marked "Do not open until I die." was discovered and opened by her granddaughter revealing a twisted tale involving Murder Incorporated, though never confirmed neither has there been evidence to debunk the bizarre story.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joseph_Force_Crater

. Yeah I remember seeing a documentary about him a while back. Very mysterious and like you said a twisted story indeed

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Han Solo's Death was mob related, thank you Furio for pointing this out .

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They tried to kill Frank Serpico but failed. He did suffer permanent damage. He was shot by the Mafia in that doorway, as Mafia members disguised as detectives let him get shot

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Add Judge Rico Dredd to your list Furio, he was thrown off a building.

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Originally Posted by JCrusher
Court Officer Albert Gelb in 76 I believe

some more info on Albert Gelb’s murder


https://www.odmp.org/officer/5361-court-officer-albert-gelb

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Originally Posted by jace
They tried to kill Frank Serpico but failed. He did suffer permanent damage. He was shot by the Mafia in that doorway, as Mafia members disguised as detectives let him get shot


Stop saying bullshit,idiot.

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Thats a complete falsehood. The mafia DID NOT shoot Serpico. His cop friends didn't come to his aide as backup as police protocol calls for, but it was not the MAFIA.

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There is ZERO proof of that

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Originally Posted by furio_from_naples
Originally Posted by jace
They tried to kill Frank Serpico but failed. He did suffer permanent damage. He was shot by the Mafia in that doorway, as Mafia members disguised as detectives let him get shot


Stop saying bullshit,idiot.

Sorry to say but if it wasn't for the bullshit that he, she or it spews, then "it" would have nothing to say.


"Never walk in a room that you don't know how to get out of"- Henry Zottola
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Originally Posted by Friend_of_Henry
Originally Posted by furio_from_naples
Originally Posted by jace
They tried to kill Frank Serpico but failed. He did suffer permanent damage. He was shot by the Mafia in that doorway, as Mafia members disguised as detectives let him get shot


Stop saying bullshit,idiot.

Sorry to say but if it wasn't for the bullshit that he, she or it spews, then "it" would have nothing to say.


. Very True. Best to just ignore it

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Originally Posted by Friend_of_Henry
Originally Posted by furio_from_naples
Originally Posted by jace
They tried to kill Frank Serpico but failed. He did suffer permanent damage. He was shot by the Mafia in that doorway, as Mafia members disguised as detectives let him get shot


Stop saying bullshit,idiot.

Sorry to say but if it wasn't for the bullshit that he, she or it spews, then "it" would have nothing to say.


You're right as always FOH.

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I didn't expect to agree with NyMafia today but here I am agreeing with them about Serpico

Jace you seem like you work for CNN

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That surprises me that Jace seemed to have gone off the deep end, he usually has valuable input here.

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Originally Posted by furio_from_naples
Originally Posted by Friend_of_Henry
Originally Posted by furio_from_naples
Originally Posted by jace
They tried to kill Frank Serpico but failed. He did suffer permanent damage. He was shot by the Mafia in that doorway, as Mafia members disguised as detectives let him get shot


Stop saying bullshit,idiot.

Sorry to say but if it wasn't for the bullshit that he, she or it spews, then "it" would have nothing to say.


You're right as always FOH.


. Yup FOH is a very respected poster. Good Guy for sure

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Originally Posted by furio_from_naples
Originally Posted by jace
They tried to kill Frank Serpico but failed. He did suffer permanent damage. He was shot by the Mafia in that doorway, as Mafia members disguised as detectives let him get shot


Stop saying bullshit,idiot.



I was being sarcastic, I had said you JCrusher and yourself, would next start naming movie characters as being mob victims. So I threw in Serpico, who was set up by New York City cops, and you idiots thought it was a real reference. Furio, you gave political killings and a cop killed in Florida many years ago as "Mafia killings" with no validity to it. JCrusher, who is always in a hurry to say the Mafia: Kills kids, innocents, cats, dogs, and little old ladies jumped in as soon as you put up your crap.

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Furio the dope said:

"victim: Anton Cermak,Chicago Mayor
date of death: March 20, 1933
behind the murder:The Outfit
killer/s:Giuseppe Zangara

Not clear why the outfit was ordered to kill Cermak, nor whether he was the real target and not Roosevelt"




You are not sure, but you included it. If you looked into it you would see it was not a mob shooting at all.

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Originally Posted by Friend_of_Henry
Originally Posted by furio_from_naples
Originally Posted by jace
They tried to kill Frank Serpico but failed. He did suffer permanent damage. He was shot by the Mafia in that doorway, as Mafia members disguised as detectives let him get shot


Stop saying bullshit,idiot.

Sorry to say but if it wasn't for the bullshit that he, she or it spews, then "it" would have nothing to say.


AS ire you are so great. I also mentioned Hans Sole and a character from Judge Dredd. I guess you added them to your list? A-Hole!

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