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Five Families Hierarchy #1020445
09/22/21 05:58 PM
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Is this an accurate representation of the current hierarchy:

Bonanno
-Boss: Michael "Mikey Nose" Mancuso
-Acting/Street Boss: John "Johnny Skyway" Palazzolo
-Underboss: unknown/vacant
-Consigliere: unknown/vacant

Colombo
-Boss: Andrew "Andy Mush" Russo
-Acting/Street Boss: unknown/vacant
-Underboss: Benjamin "Benny the Claw" Castellazo
-Consigliere: Ralph DiMatteo

Gambino
-Boss: Domenico "Dom" Cefalù
-Acting/Street Boss: unknown/vacant
-Underboss: Lorenzo Mannino
-Consigliere: Michael "Mickey Boy" Paradiso

Genovese
-Boss: Liborio "Barney" Bellomo
-Acting/Street Boss: Michael "Mickey" Ragusa
-Underboss: Ernest "Ernie" Muscarella
-Consigliere: Dominick "Quiet Dom" Cirillo

Lucchese
-Boss: Victor "The Terminator" Amuso
-Acting/Street Boss: Michael "Big Mike" DeSantis
-Underboss: Steven "Wonderboy" Crea
-Consigliere: Andrew DiSimone

Re: Five Families Hierarchy [Re: Njein] #1020451
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It's hard to say if these are accurate or not, but I would be willing to bet that Johnny Joe calls the shots for the Bonannos and that Michael is more of a figurehead. Barney is probably the final word for the West Side and Mannino for the Gambinos. What is interesting is that we may have two underbosses with way more influence than their respective bosses.


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Re: Five Families Hierarchy [Re: Njein] #1020462
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Cirillo has never been confirmed as the Genovese consigliere as far as I'm aware. I think Dellorusso has replaced Crea as the official Lucchese underboss now. There's a good chance Vincent Badalamenti is the Bonanno consigliere or holds some other administration position

Re: Five Families Hierarchy [Re: Njein] #1020465
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So many vacant positions and old guys all the families need new blood.


"The king is dead, long live the king!"
Re: Five Families Hierarchy [Re: Hollander] #1020469
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The only good replenishments would have to be from Italy, can't rely on these watered-down American gangsters anymore, plus they're generations removed from traditional Mafia values and don't have the slightest idea how to be Mafiosi

Re: Five Families Hierarchy [Re: Hollander] #1020475
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Originally Posted by Hollander
So many vacant positions and old guys all the families need new blood.

i don't think there are any new guys who will join the mob nowadays...

Re: Five Families Hierarchy [Re: Njein] #1020483
09/23/21 04:34 AM
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The entire Colombo hierarchy was arrested recently so given that Andy Mush is 83 years old,who know there will be the same situation of Carmine Persico or will be choose a new boss that have no blood ties with the Persicos.

Re: Five Families Hierarchy [Re: MeyerLansky] #1020484
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Originally Posted by MeyerLansky
Originally Posted by Hollander
So many vacant positions and old guys all the families need new blood.

i don't think there are any new guys who will join the mob nowadays...


In Italy is the opposite especially in the South italy,the real question is: why go the US where there are the Rico and the US mafia is full of rats that go to Canada where the situation is like the 1970s situation in the US?

Re: Five Families Hierarchy [Re: furio_from_naples] #1020486
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But evidence shows that there are mobsters from Italy operating over here, a lot of things are kept quiet by law enforcement until they're ready to unseal indictments.

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Re: Five Families Hierarchy [Re: DillyDolly] #1020487
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Originally Posted by DillyDolly
But evidence shows that there are mobsters from Italy operating over here, a lot of things are kept quiet by law enforcement until they're ready to unseal indictments.


Yes but it's not the Eldorado of the 1970s/1980s now even a camorrista from a small clan cna made milions with drugs,smuggling etc of course there are zips,the nadrangheta have ndrine in US and even the camorra clans have 200 men in america,but again the glorious old days are gone.

Re: Five Families Hierarchy [Re: furio_from_naples] #1020489
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A lot of people have this mentality that if it's not in the headlines it's not happening. Recent evidence showed that people with ties to both the Bonanno and Gambino Families shuffle back and forth between Sicily and America, you had the Gregorio Gigliotti case, some rat named Christopher Castellano was whacked a few years back that was tied into an Ndrangheta-Mafia drug case and still unsolved, the list goes on. They're definitely here and they're not afraid of RICO. Glorious or not, they're here.

Re: Five Families Hierarchy [Re: Njein] #1020490
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And I personally never saw any glorious days for the mob, it's the same miserable life it's always been, just like most of our lives come to think of it.

Re: Five Families Hierarchy [Re: DillyDolly] #1020493
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Originally Posted by DillyDolly
A lot of people have this mentality that if it's not in the headlines it's not happening. Recent evidence showed that people with ties to both the Bonanno and Gambino Families shuffle back and forth between Sicily and America, you had the Gregorio Gigliotti case, some rat named Christopher Castellano was whacked a few years back that was tied into an Ndrangheta-Mafia drug case and still unsolved, the list goes on. They're definitely here and they're not afraid of RICO. Glorious or not, they're here.


I read what I wrote? Is the same thing but with less words.

Re: Five Families Hierarchy [Re: Njein] #1020498
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It’d be great if we could drop the whole “the glory days are over” trope now.

We know.
They know.
Everyone knows.

Despite this undeniable fact, most indictments have a fair amount of people that nobody has ever heard of before. Many of whom are “young” for mob standards (late 40s to early 60s). Thus, the money they are making must be decent enough for these guys to keep hustling. Otherwise they would have called it quits years ago and foreign-born mafiosi wouldn’t even bother to come here.

Let’s move on.

Re: Five Families Hierarchy [Re: LuanKuci] #1020500
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Bingo! I totally agree it DOES get old! We all know the glory days are over, now let's just talk about the mob and organized crime.

Re: Five Families Hierarchy [Re: DillyDolly] #1020504
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Originally Posted by DillyDolly
A lot of people have this mentality that if it's not in the headlines it's not happening. Recent evidence showed that people with ties to both the Bonanno and Gambino Families shuffle back and forth between Sicily and America, you had the Gregorio Gigliotti case, some rat named Christopher Castellano was whacked a few years back that was tied into an Ndrangheta-Mafia drug case and still unsolved, the list goes on. They're definitely here and they're not afraid of RICO. Glorious or not, they're here.




Gregorio Gigliotti had no mafia ties, he was hooked up with an overseas drug ring, maybe N'dragnata but he has nothing to do with the past or current Mafia. Christopher Castellano I am not familiar with, what is his story and what American family was he tied to?

Re: Five Families Hierarchy [Re: Njein] #1020505
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Imagine what these hierarchy's will look like in 20-25 years. Ha


" If you're going to be bad, be good at it "

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Originally Posted by The_Marble_Guy
Imagine what these hierarchy's will look like in 20-25 years. Ha

I don't think they will be here
And if they will
Maybe tehy will have 50 - 60 guys top for each family

Re: Five Families Hierarchy [Re: MeyerLansky] #1020509
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Originally Posted by MeyerLansky
Originally Posted by The_Marble_Guy
Imagine what these hierarchy's will look like in 20-25 years. Ha

I don't think they will be here
And if they will
Maybe tehy will have 50 - 60 guys top for each family


Either that or the Italians will move in more. Clans/Families from other parts of Italy could try and merge with American families in 20-25 years if the number severely diminish. You could have a bunch of different clans/families from Italy operating under an umbrella of still being called the Genovese's, Colombo's, Gambino's, etc.


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Re: Five Families Hierarchy [Re: Njein] #1020510
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Gigliotti had mafia ties. Here and overseas.

Re: Five Families Hierarchy [Re: Njein] #1020511
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I would doubt right now that the bonannos,Colombos and lucchese families even have50-60 active members operating in the greater ny/NJ area.
I have said before in other posts these 3 small families will eventually be absorbed by the gambinos and Genovese same could be said for the decavalcante.
The bonannos r the only family with any ties back to Sicily out of the 3.

Re: Five Families Hierarchy [Re: Njein] #1020512
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Given what they’ve been through in the last twenty years it’s unquestionably remarkable the status they still have.

I’m much more amazed (and concerned) by what is still the same than by what has changed.

Re: Five Families Hierarchy [Re: jace] #1020513
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Gregorio Gigliotti had ties with both the Ndrangheta and Genovese Family, GTFOH!

Re: Five Families Hierarchy [Re: VitoCahill] #1020514
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I call bullshit, the 5 families will remain.

Re: Five Families Hierarchy [Re: LuanKuci] #1020515
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Originally Posted by LuanKuci
Given what they’ve been through in the last twenty years it’s unquestionably remarkable the status they still have.

I’m much more amazed (and concerned) by what is still the same than by what has changed.


Exactly. Despite the stories about the imminent demise of LCN, the longevity of the Italian-American Mob is still exceptional. Given the fact that they survived the last twenty years, it's a safe bet to say that they'll still be notably operating a few decades from now.

Re: Five Families Hierarchy [Re: Njein] #1020519
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If the FBI can’t predict the end of the mob then neither can we.

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Originally Posted by DillyDolly
Gregorio Gigliotti had ties with both the Ndrangheta and Genovese Family, GTFOH!


You're wrong. His "Ties" to the Genovese family were that his restaurant was near a Genovese soldiers, they had no criminal ties. On Ndrangheta you may be right, I will take your word, but he and his case had no ties to any New York or American Mafia family.

Re: Five Families Hierarchy [Re: Njein] #1020535
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I seriously fucking doubt he had no ties to any New York crime family, but just like I can't prove he did, you can't prove he didn't, but here you are saying with absolute certainty that he didn't.

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Pretty obvious he had ties to the Ndrangheta:

Italian police together with Costa Rican authorities have arrested seven people in Costa Rica, charging them with the international trafficking of cocaine.

Last week’s arrests marked the climax of Operation Columbus, which began last May and was coordinated by the Anti-Mafia Directorate of Reggio Calabria in conjunction with the United States’ FBI and DEA and Costa Rican authorities.

The seven arrested are accused of supplying a group linked to notorious organized crime organization the 'Ndrangheta, allegedly run by Gregorio Gigliotti, who owns a restaurant in the New York borough of Queens.

Gigliotti was arrested together with his wife Eleonora Lucia and son Angelo in May this year. He is thought by prosecutors to be an international broker for the 'Ndrangheta, involved in the shipping of more of 3,200 kg of cocaine to US and European harbors.

The investigators followed the movements of Gregorio Gigliotti, his wife and his trustee in Calabria Franco Fazio (also arrested last May) in Saint Josè, the capital of Costa Rica, between August and September 2014.

Police documented Gigliotti’s accomplices handing money to members of the Costa Rican gang.

Cocaine was allegedly transported through companies that specialized in the import and export of exotic fruits and vegetables from Costa Rica to Europe and North America.

The drug was delivered along with the fruit, say prosecutors.

Gigliotti, according to investigators, was linked to the brothers Violi from Sinopoli in Calabria, Italy, who were both arrested as part of Operation Columbus last May.

They in turn have been linked to the powerful Alvaro clan, which is active in the Province of Reggio Calabria and is high in the 'Ndrangheta hierarchy.

Gigliotti was arrested after 10 months of surveillance in which prosecutors say he was shown to be a violent mobster.

In some conversations he allegedly threatened to dissolve his business representative Fazio in acid because he thought he’d betrayed him.

On another occasion he told his wife that he had eaten the kidney and heart of someone who had lost US$ 20,000.

Meanwhile his New York-based restaurant Cucino a Modo Mio, whose name translates to "I Cook My Way", enjoyed excellent reviews online.

The prosecutor for Reggio Calabria last week requested the extradition to Italy of Gregorio Gigliotti, his wife Eleonora Lucia, and their son Angelo.

Lawyers for Gregorio and Eleonora Lucia have stated that they will plead not guilty, while Angelo claims he has nothing to do with his family business.

Prosecutor Federico Cafiero de Raho told a press conference: “The police operation is the result of the meticulous work of the Central Operations Service of the Italian Police, made possible thanks to an agreement between the Italian investigators and the American DEA and FBI officers."

Co-prosecutor Nicola Gratteri said: “Thanks to constant surveillanceby the Colombian authorities, now we know that the 'Ndrangheta had extended its bases in Costa Rica, Bolivia and Peru,tothe major ports of Brazil and Argentina used as starting point for the shipping of the drug.”


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Re: Five Families Hierarchy [Re: LuanKuci] #1020541
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Originally Posted by LuanKuci
If the FBI can’t predict the end of the mob then neither can we.


The demise not but the decline yes. In 1991 most of the family was still viable,now only 9 in 2051 the american LCN would be active only in NY/NJ.
But I'm saying that in the rest of the US will continue to exist criminals with an italian surnames that but not organized in a classic mob family only to avoid the Rico.
For sure the future problem will be the ndrangheta ndrine.

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