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Did Camorra members create the Mafia ? #1018961
08/27/21 02:27 PM
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I was reading articles about the Sicilian Mafia

And I came across a statement that suprised me. It seem that criminal groups from Naples, were the one who created the Mafia ? Am I wrong or ?

The Sicilian Mafia was founded in Sicily by elements of the Camorra, a crime organization established in Naples, in the early 1800's.

https://www.ojp.gov/ncjrs/virtual-library/abstracts/sicilian-mafia-and-its-impact-united-states

The Mafia began as an extralegal force in the 19th century, during the reign of the Bourbons of Naples, and coinciding with Sicily's transition from feudalism to capitalism. Under feudalism, the nobility owned most of the land and enforced the law through their private armies and manorial courts. After 1812, the feudal barons steadily sold off or rented their lands to private citizens.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sicilian_Mafia

Re: Did Camorra members create the Mafia ? [Re: Blackmobs] #1018962
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There is much conjecture about what came first, the chicken or the egg. But I believe they were separate, but simpatico, organizations that sprung up on their own around the same time, for similar reasons.

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No one "created" the mafia, maybe some Napolitean gangsters were one of the first to operate in Sicily, but organized crime is just a socio-economic phenomenon, it naturally appears when Italy went through a period of drastic industrialization.

Re: Did Camorra members create the Mafia ? [Re: Blackmobs] #1018968
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The Calabrians believe in the story of the three knights.

Osso, Mastrosso and Carcagnosso
31 MAGGIO 2015 ~ VANIAREJULIAN

If we want to speak regarding a social phenomenon we have to start from a fundamental basis: its origin and its history. But also if we want to introduce the origins under a historical aspect of life we can revisit the earliest times, when history is mixed with myth, and so we go back to 1412. It is the myth of “Osso, Mastrosso e Carcagnosso”.

The three men were members of Guardugna, an association of military order, founded in Toledo, , almost monastic, equipped with strict rules. It was so powerful that it could influence the Spanish political system in those years.[1] In this association they worked and acted according to the same customs and rituals accepted by all. Untill one day they decided to avenge the violated honour of their sister with an act of blood, killing those who had caused such a disgrace to their family. Osso, Mastrosso and Carcagnosso, due to the action of revenge, paying their debt to justice, were convicted and imprisoned in the far island of Favignana, within an Aragonese fortress used as a prison. At that time Favignana was Spanish territory, where now some prison cells have been found which seen to have been used as a place of torture. In the small island of the Aegean archipelago, the three prisoners remained for almost thirty years, just for the singular period of twenty-nine years, eleven months and twenty-nine days; then they come out from the bowels of the Spanish penitentiary at the dawn of the thirtieth year. However, during this long period, in the three protagonists something had inexorably changed. The three knights of this legend came out of prison in the guise of new men, repositories of knowledge, rituals, customs and symbols that were different between them but they were all linked by a common thread: the honour and the code of silence. The legend ends with the separation of these three men. Osso remained in Sicily, and here he laid the foundation of the Cosa Nostra structure, Mastrosso crossed the Straits of Messina to found the ‘Ndrangheta in Calabria and finally Carcagnosso went to the lands of the ancient “Campania felix“, where he founded the structure of the Camorra.

The curious legend of Osso, Mastrosso and Carcagnosso should be free from the dangerous atmosphere of myth that might make it unfairly fascinating and giving it a meaning that goes beyond its reach, in other words the result of the creative imagination. This legend, in fact, would have served to establish the myth of the genesis of the three criminal organizations, thereby giving them dignity with roots going back centuries. It tries to create even a real genealogy that would lose in the past six centuries of human history. The story of the three brothers of Toledo is further characterized by a direct reference to the epic of chivalry and its religious traditions. Those references are often dotted with numerous superstitions, which would merge with the “social rules”; later it is these which would make the Cosa Nostra, the Camorra and the ‘Ndrangheta so fearsome and dangerous, organizations in possession of real behavioural written codes. Furthermore, in “Osso, Mastrosso and Carcagnosso” there are specific references to Masonic awesomeness, which have helped create more mystery for centuries with their secret initiation rites and with their affiliation symbols. All that with the use of graphic images which are typical of religious holy cards, designed to emphasize a certain parallelism between the three Spanish knights of the XV century and today’s Mafiosi.

Today as they were yesterday they claim to track some justification down both to their rules, through the pages of Scripture, and some of their actions, interpreting in their own way the conduct of certain saints. In this way if thought, reported and written words and phrases in completely different contexts are altered, together with the legend awesomeness, the criminal and mafia reality will never be separated from its truest and most authentic essence, characterized by violence and the worst abuses.


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Re: Did Camorra members create the Mafia ? [Re: Blackmobs] #1018969
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The mafia born with the campieri aka the armed guards of landowners for take under control the peasants.
The Camorra born in naples for the control of the sbruffo (gambling operation) of morra game that maybe gave the name to the organization.

Osso, Mastrosso and Carcagnosso is only a legend to explain how ndrangheta,mafia and camorra was born.

Re: Did Camorra members create the Mafia ? [Re: furio_from_naples] #1018970
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Originally Posted by furio_from_naples

Osso, Mastrosso and Carcagnosso is only a legend to explain how ndrangheta,mafia and camorra was born.


Typically for Masonic organizations. But they really believe in it.


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Re: Did Camorra members create the Mafia ? [Re: Blackmobs] #1018992
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it's almost sure that the ndrangheta copied the old camorra rituals and ranks and all copied masonic rituals

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Descendants from Caesar, the Godfathers and their wives, equally the children and the family unit.

Also there’s no such thing as the mafia! Lol ????


In Sicily, women are more dangerous than the shotgun.
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The corrupt Bourbon regime did not interfere with the society; indeed, members of the Camorra were taken into the police service, and the organization became entrenched among both Neapolitan municipal employees and the army.

After the unification of Italy (1861), severe repressive measures were inaugurated against the society; these continued for several decades, culminating in an intensive series of manhunts, beginning in 1882. Thereafter, the Camorra steadily lost ground; its decline was climaxed by the defeat of all its candidates in the Neapolitan election of 1901.


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From what Ive read, members of the Camorra went to Sicily and maybe helped create what eill be know as the mafia…..

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Does anyone know about Giuseppe Mazzini? The say he created the ‘Mafia’, as well as sent Adam Weishaupht to create the Bavarian Illuminati.

From there it can be traced to Madame Blavatsky, the Ascended Masters and the Great White Brotherhood & Sisterhood, as well as the Dark version that was established in Luxor, Egypt. I even believe Aliester Crowley travelled there to study as a Rosicrucian, in some Indiana Jones type of evil research scenario.
https://blavatskytheosophy.com/the-masters-and-madame-blavatsky/



The Skull and Crossbones ??????? is definitely a pirate thing aka admiral law, but also Skull and Bones of Yale University, as well as the death squads of the Waffen SS.

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/...y-us-president-dubya-kerry-a8340596.html

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tuB2L6SN6Lg

All the allegory can be traced to Roma, people like Liccio Gelli, Mussolini, etc.

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Hitler and Nazi Germany were also obsessed with the occult.


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Originally Posted by m2w
it's almost sure that the ndrangheta copied the old camorra rituals and ranks and all copied masonic rituals


I do believe there is some truth to that. The City of Naples and Campania, and the Calabria regions touch each other. I don't doubt that there was some over lap involved. In fact many decades ago I remember Calabrian members who referred to themselves back then as "The Honored Society" calling one another Camorrista, for Camorra, even though they were Calabrian and NOT connected in any way with the Neapolitan group.

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Originally Posted by NYMafia
Originally Posted by m2w
it's almost sure that the ndrangheta copied the old camorra rituals and ranks and all copied masonic rituals


I do believe there is some truth to that. The City of Naples and Campania, and the Calabria regions touch each other. I don't doubt that there was some over lap involved. In fact many decades ago I remember Calabrian members who referred to themselves back then as "The Honored Society" calling one another Camorrista, for Camorra, even though they were Calabrian and NOT connected in any way with the Neapolitan group.



The Camorra has been strong in northern Calabria like Cozensa province. Camorrista is still a rank in the 'Ndrangheta.


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Originally Posted by m2w
it's almost sure that the ndrangheta copied the old camorra rituals and ranks and all copied masonic rituals


I do believe there is some truth to that. The City of Naples and Campania, and the Calabria regions touch each other. I don't doubt that there was some over lap involved. In fact many decades ago I remember Calabrian members who referred to themselves back then as "The Honored Society" calling one another Camorrista, for Camorra, even though they were Calabrian and NOT connected in any way with the Neapolitan group.



The Camorra has been strong in northern Calabria like Cozensa province. Camorrista is still a rank in the 'Ndrangheta.


I believe that

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With subcultures this old no one can really tell.

I’ve heard plenty of theories:

That it got organized during the unification of Italy as a pro-Union rebel group that rioted and painted graffiti such as MAFIA (meaning “Mazzini Autorizza, Furti, Incendi e Ammazzamenti”) basically Mazzini, a pro-Union leader, Authorizes Theft, Arson and Murders.
Garibaldi, Mazzini and most of the House of Savoy where masons so the southern peasants mimicked those rituals.

Others trace it back to the arabic word mayhas which means “cocky” or “aggressive”.

More straightforward is the theory that implies that they started as goons (gabellotti) providing security to wealthy landowners.

And many more.

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More straightforward is the theory that implies that they started as goons (gabellotti) providing security to wealthy landowners.


This is the real origin,all the serious historician writers say that the mafia started as the gabelotti to control the peasants and that after the WWII the mob in the cities especially in Palermo made the jump to street racket to construction racket,the waste bussiness and made political link to politicians thanks to the votes that they controlled in their zones.

The other hypothesis are just fantasy.


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