https://www.nydailynews.com/new-yor...20-anhp4c4z2baxznj6dslyyropxa-story.html

So the Snake himself was a rat after all...like Massino. A Top Echelon Informant.

Like I said most of these guys were rats. At best they were telling on they’re enemies and people think Mike Lancelotti couldn’t be a rat when it’s so obvious if you take the blinders off
I’m sure Persico was briefly an informant around 71 when he probably wanted to rid himself of competition to the bosses throne and be able to install some like Tom Debella until he got out
This could be a game changer for the Colombo Family in general...will Andy Russo be demoted and someone like a Joseph Baudanza become the boss?

No way, he spent most of his adult life in prison, and he was not allowed out to die at home when deathly ill. Plus they need release a real informants name, FOIA or not.

If this isn't the biggest bullshit claim I've ever heard in my life. Junior spent more time in prison than just about anyone. He was a lion of a man who would do a 1000 years for his people standing on his head. I want this thread deleted!!!

I agree. This thread needs to be deleted.

You guys should write to Vic Orena and complain..how dare he post classified documents of carmines ratting to the feds...like doing that 60mins interview that carmine did...guess John Gotti was right about Carmine all those years..... he also admitted the mob existed during the commission trial...this isn’t exactly a stretch that he would rat on his enemies so he could take control of the family....

If it's true, and it looks like it is, it shouldn't surprise anyone. I've always suspected certain top bosses of being top echelons if they appeared themselves to have a narcotics operation, however secret or discreet. Why? Because everyone knows "the G" is behind most if not all of the top drug dealers. Therefore any boss, no matter how legendary, if he appeared to have any narcotics connection, even if it was off shored and outsourced to foreign criminal conspiracies and groups in other countries, that boss likely received immunity from the CIA. You can be a top echelon that the police or DEA don't even know about, it's just that when they go to arrest you, someone always interferes who has higher jurisdiction. I have no proof, but do I believe Carmine Persico was a drug dealer, ultimately? Yes.

It's certainly possible. Harry Riccobene was a CI in the 1960s and still died in prison

Alfa, which bosses do you suspect? Perscio, Genovese, Castellano, Anastasia, and John Ormento, to name a few were all either going to prison for life or had cases and investigations pending. They even framed Genovese in his second conviction. Succeeding bosses in a few examples were also sent away:Gotti, for the Gambino's, Cantena , Salerno and Tieri on the Genovese side, and Carmine Trumanti for the Lucheses. Do you mean bosses in other cites, since all my examples were New Yorkers, or do you mean ones I left out? Perscio did most of the last 50 years of his life in prison, Scarpa (A definite rat) was constantly left alone till the very end.

He wasn't nicknamed "The Snake" for nothing. Now I can't wait to read all the mob apologists claim BS.

I really don't think he was an informant. He did do so much time. That being said, it's not impossible. So much treachery and deceit in that world.

No way The Snake was a rat, rats don't get 100 years in prison unless they fuck up in their cooperation agreement like Gaspipe did. Posts like this are created solely for shock value. If you want attention that your mommy never gave you, please find a better way.

Ratting on Joe Colombo yet Colombo never went down you're a real twat.

yes carmine persico was informant.. and im also the 5 player for the Beatles........you lowlives you,, one cant be a infromant and spend more than half of if his life in atlanta USP, lewisburg USP, and his last two stints were in marion usp, lompoc usp, and butner fci......im amaze where he found time to have kids,,,,,,and as for harry ricconbe was he rat yes he was on the begign of his life ,,,BUT he was nver cosa nostra,,,,, he was TOUGH CIVILIAN thas all........ he was no BOSS OF A FAMILY

Riccobene was a made man in the Philadelphia Mafia.

Some of the same people in denial here were just as stunned when they found out Whitey Bulger was a Rat, so don't be so sure "The Snake" wasn't. There isn't anything I imagine he wouldn't do to keep his family and himself in charge.

hey shitbag as made man who did he reporte it to nicodemo scarfo lol ,,, angelo bruno,,,or joey ida

The papers look doctored to me. Plus more than a dozen top, top bosses are listed there as well. If he is a rat, then what are you saying? All the rest of them were rats also?

It doesn't make sense. Anything is possible in life. Anything!

But put two and two together and use your heads. Junior spent 50 years in prison. More than that, he beloved son Allie is currently doing life himself. If Persico had been a rat, don't you think he would have made sure he and his son (and his cousins Andy and nephews), didn't get destroyed like that?

Otherwise what did he gain from his so-called' cooperation agreement?

It's a shot in the dark from Orena and his lawyers to get some relief from his sentence. But I've seen those documents and I can tell you that they DO NOT clearly explain or delineate who is, and who isn't, an informer on those pages. And by the way, each CI has their own special code as you know. The same 'exact' code is listed next to each and every name on that list.

So it looks to me as though there was one informer who was providing info on all those named on the pages, Persico included.

Of course it's fucking doctored. Vic Orena ought to be ashamed of himself. I've always had tremendous respect for Vic, but now all that is gone. What a disgusting human being.

A rat receives benefits. Junior had NOTHING.

Hahahaha now the documents are doctored and the Govt wouldn’t able to know or verify or tell if they were doctored or not? Come on let’s use common sense...Carmine ratted to make sure he could rid himself of his enimies. No different than the other way which is murdering them...these guys all rat at one time or another even if it’s just once to remove themselves of the competition.... these guys are murderers, only an idiot truly believes it’s ok to murder your enemy’s and rob and steal from them but if you tell on them your a scumbag. That’s rhetoric to brainwash morons and little kids

Did you just say that all of these guys rat at one time or another? Only someone who is blinded by hatred for these guys would say something so crazy. You're not being logical. Stop slandering good people because you hate the mafia so much. You probably would explode in your pants if it came out that John Gotti Sr was a rat (which he of course wasn't)

Also John Gotti Sr referred to Carmine Persico as a rat for decades...guess Johnny was right....

That's only because Junior admitted to the existence of the mafia during his trial. It was just trial strategy

As I say ANYTHING in life is possible.

But just because it fits a narrative that you seek to push that all mob guys are rats and are no good doesn't make it so. You cannot fit a square peg in a triangle hole no matter how hard you may try (or desire to make it so).

If and when I see 'real' irrefutable evidence that Persico was a rat I will be the first one to say so. But THIS is not evidence. Plain and simple.

In fact, all it shows is that one particular "TE" informant was providing info on all those named on that FBI paper.

Joseph Laratro
John Oddo
Salvatore Mussachio
Joseph Lucchese
Joseph Rosato
Paul Castellano
James Failla
etc etc........the list is never-ending with all of them being capos or higher.

It simply does not hold water!

Now. If the redacted parts of these so-called rat lists were clear to read and it confirmed the info, then it is what it is. But those redacted parts may be even more vindicating to them.

Without being bias, the paper does NOT clearly state or explain what is being stated on that page. It just has a lot of top names. (1) TE informer code (NOT 12-18 to match each name) and really nothing else. So what can anyone really decipher from that? Not much!

It seems to me that the one particular TE code is spilling the beans on every other name on that list. (including spilling on Persico)

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The informant number is the same next to each individual. Informants are given unique identifiers. So if all of these guys were informants, would they all be given the same identifier? Or could it be that this particular informant "3461-C-TE" is just giving information on the individuals listed?

EXACTLY 1000% percent correct! .....1,000,000% correct.

It was 1 single informant (obviously high level) who was able to provide info on each of those named individuals. Period! And Persico was only one of many he had info on.

It's clear as a bell on those documents. Why some people try and create sensationalism and run with all these bullshit statements is totally beyond me. (Orena I can understand, he's trying to get out of jail and will BS on anything that he thinks serves his purpose). But the rest of you? Come on now.

Stay on track fellas. It's better that way (for all the legit people who truly wanna glean real knowledge of OC) and not BS