In the Bike world there’s the Big Four MC’s
Hells Angels, Outlaws, Bandidos and Pagans

But other MC’s are getting bigger year by year and could be on the same level than the Big 4.
Mongols, Warlocks, Vagos and others

How the politics of the biker world operate?
Eqche of the Big Four have there main States, like Hells Angels is California, Bandidos is Texas, Outlaws is Illinois. But other not so smaller clubs are heavy in those same states, for exemple the Mongols in California.
Also, the bigger clubs and not so small clubs operate in States where there’s already a major club. And this could make wars.

I taught that the Bandidos, Pagans and Mongols were at peace. But, look like there is tension between the Bandidos and the Pagans/ Mongols in Texas.

In the 2000s, Hells Angels and the Bandidos had a peace treaty. But in Canada, the Rock Machine tried to patch over in the Bandidos, and the Hells Angels from Canada didn’t like that.

So what do ya’ll know about the MC world and the states or country politics?

I would put Wisconsin before Illinois for Outlaws.

Canada is it's own world. You can't act like they do in the US.

Pagans in Texas?

Michael mccollum is supposed to have a book out soon. He was a chicago HA before quitting, then briefly an Indiana Outlaw.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=uBXeVZ64QRQ&t=22s

After seeing that video I was also wondering since when Mongols and Pagans were in Texas?
Maybe they were just going over there, dont know if they have a chapter in Texas.
Hells Angels tried to have a chapter in texas, but the Bandidos stop it (I think)

Also, didnt know that the Bandidos were beefing with the Pagans or the Mongols

Former Hells Angels NYC Lower East Side, they sold this building some years ago and moved to the Bronx.
Pagans, US27 South about 20 miles south of Ocala

You guys watch the ATF agents who infiltrated the HA's and Mongols ??

I believe what the agent with the Mongols says...I didn't believe a word of what the agent with the HA's said

I dont I saw that

I know Alwx Caine who infiltrated de HAs and Bandidos

I think, Sandy Alexander, the guy who started NYC HA, owned that building. He quit the club at some point and after he died his family tried to get the building but iirc the HA won the case?

As far as reading entertainment, the Billy Queen/Mongols book is a million times better than the Dobyns/Angels book.

Both eventually sued and won against ATF for lack of post operation protection. Dobyns house caught on fire. He said it was revenge, ATF said Dobyns did it himself and he sued and won.

Yep, I found an article about it.
"The New York City Hells Angels are actually incorporated in New York State as the Church of the Angels, a nonprofit religious organization. That name was used when club members purchased the property in 1977, for a reported $1,900. The moniker was used again last year in a preliminary memorandum of contract to sell the property to 77 East Third LLC, a limited-liability company linked to the aforementioned Nathan Blatter, EV Grieve reported last month. A 2013 court dispute over a deceased Angel president, Sandy Alexander, who had held title to the deed, was settled last year, apparently leading to a sale."
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.amny.com/news/hells-angels-ride-off-from-e-3rd-clubhouse/amp/

Here is a link to their self produced 1983 movie Hells Angels Forever. Its pretty awesome vintage stuff. Pretty sure Sandy Alexander was the driving force behind getting this made. Sandy is in the movie.

https://youtu.be/Aex-yTgIQYc

Big Vinnie threw a girlfriend off the top of that building, killing her. There are a couple different stories about how he died, but in Sonny Barger's book he says he was killed in a knife fight with an Oakland angel named Irish rich, who was then murdered in a parking lot after a farewell dinner before going to a prison stint. The guy knew him from a previous prison sentence.

In the 80s Alexander, chuck Zito and a couple others went to prison for something to do with drugs, alleged cocaine dealing I think it was.

I read that about Big Vinnie and Chuck and Van Damme at Scores. I want to say I remember something about Chuck Zito being tied to Gotti Jr. at Scores but that was much later.

The Howard Stern Show - Howard Stern Interviews Chuck Zito beats up Jean Claude Van Damme
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=msPi7jxsvN4

Chuck Zito street survival system. If you've got 45 minutes this is the most hilarious shit of all time

https://youtu.be/dlbL5QLbFeI

Pagans have been expanding all over the east coast from southern Florida to upstate New York.

I'm pretty sure Alexander was thrown out of the club

You can see just from interviews, Queen seems much more credible