Not just the main NY families, but all other still existing Families in the US?

Philadelphia probably has around 50 in total, maybe slightly more. But with a good portion of that being inactive. Maybe about half

I would think the Genovese are still hovering around 200, although likely with an average age in the low 60's or so.

Gambino's might be a little younger with the zips, probably closer to 150.

The other three closer to 100 each, Colombos must be under 100 active members at this point.

DeCavalcantes really are just a glorified crew at this point. Philly as chin says, maybe 50-60. Boston a little weaker than that but still there.

Chicago and Detroit on life support and not expected to make it. Buffalo has stopped responding but doctors from Canada are still attempting to resuscitate. Other cities where there has been a past presence may have some retired guys or guys with a little bit of side hustle in gambling and bookmaking going on, but at this point that's functioning more on a social level not much different than joining the legion.

Montreal has its problems but is still a major factor. Lots of dollars left to fight over in Montreal and therefore they're not going anywhere.

In my town where there had been some historical presence, its gone now but a lot of the guys that had those affiliations, or the sons of those guys still hang out in certain places to look and act the part - but its all for show. In one such place there's still a room in the back full of slot machines and you can lay a bet with the guy at the bar if he knows you, but its mostly for show.

As NYMafia has pointed out, the era of all this is over. It existed once upon a time as a response by first-generation immigrants and mutated from there. But 100 years in the melting pot has made Italians into Americans and that's been a great thing - except for the Mafia. There will always be some zips around and in some form this thing will keep going but the golden days of Costello, Hoffa, the Vegas Casinos, its loooooooooong over with. Finished, done. Purely an avenue of historical research now.

I just love how these blokes get on here and act like they're privy to every induction ceremony. They could be conducting one this very moment. I've been reading about organized crime for countless years and still see names I never seen before.

By the way, assimilating into crappy pop-culture America isn't a great thing, our valueless and pretentious "way of life" leaves a lot to be desired.

Thanks to Pogo the Clown from Black Hand forum.

Between on the streeet and in prison

Genovese:145 made men
Gambino:155 made men
Bonanno:140 made men
Lucchese:113 made men
Colombo:75 made men but most likely 100

Philly:48 made men
Decavalcante:almost 50

The Outfit had a core group of senior member that is made and many associate so 30 made men.

numbers for both the Genovese and Gambino crews are too low.

Genovese had closer to 190-200. Gambino probably around 220-230 or so

decades back each crew had even more men

There are a 2004 report with number more hight but at least 150 - 200 for genovese and Gambinos and 100 to 150 to Lucchese and Bonnano and almost 100 for Colombo.
Pogo is a serious researcher but he didnt know all the names.

Philly had at least 25 active members,Patriarcas almost 40 made men same thing fot decavalcantes.
Detroit 30 made men and Chicago have small made men but a lot of associates.

Between you and me I'm not too impressed with Pogo. He's a robot and only knows what people tell him

Pogo's charts are fucking ridiculous. Not only is there an astronomical amount missing from those charts, there's also an astronomical amount of guys who shouldn't be on those charts!! He's got guys on there who aren't even made. Not to mention, all the guys who've been shelved over the years. It's like the guy sniffs glue for a living

Agreed. I don't go for him, and he's not too fond of me either I'd imagine. Lol.... he's full of shit and gets offended when he realizes he's ignorant on a subject. To be friendly I had once sent him the info that several names of guys in NYC crews who he had down as active were actually dead. When he later checked it out and realized that I knew what I was speaking of, he shit himself. Lol

Wanted to know who I was? How did I know that and other info, etc. When I told him that was my personal business he became obnoxious calling me a phony. Lol, yeah, some phony. I gave him 100% later confirmed info.

My (approximate) current estimates on the crews are as follows:
Genovese 175-200
Gambino 175-225
Bonanno 150-170
Lucchese 100-120 +/-
Colombo 65-90 +/-
DeCav's 30-40 +/-

There ARE a lot new guys who WERE made. But their names are still anonymous and will stay that way until either more rats expose the new guys, or the feds bring a new indictment first naming them.

Its always that way, even in the old days except there was a lot more cases and pinches so their names were always front and center in the papers

The Bonnano's seem to always be making guys, I wouldn't be surprised if they have a 150 members.

NYMafia Pogo write name and surnames of hierarchy,soldiers and imprisoned members. I should use the 2004 report numbers and nobody of you can understand the difference.

I'm not following what you are trying to say Furio. Please explain pal

That's not it at all. It's a question for discussion, and we're offering speculation. If the forum were only for people who knew precisely what was going on in every family at every moment, there'd be nobody on it.

Sorry to hear you don't love your country. You're right, Italians would have been much better off had they continued to be excluded from higher learning, career advancement and left with bricklaying, the priesthood or the Mafia as viable career options.

Eastsideofvan, I've been to several different countries and I consider all of them including the people and attitudes better than America. And I'm not saying that at all, people can take advantage of opportunities and better themselves and still hold on to their values and traditions.

What I tried to say is that Pogo instead say genovese have 200 to 250 made men etc he put names and surnames of boss,underboss,consigliere,the various capos and a list of soldiers in and out of prisons.
That what I would say:a well done chart its better that say only numbers.

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I've seen his charts and I can tell you that they are "ok" Not great. He has more than a few names on his lists that are either; DEAD, IN Prison (and they weren't), OUT of Prison (while they were still in), and others who are NOT even 'made' but he listed anyway as members anyway.

What I say is from first hand knowledge also. He has 2 guys listed on there as being in prison (they are personal fiends of mine) and I know that neither of them have EVER even been to prison. Yet he has them down as serving decades of prison time.

Because he's one of the only people to create 'charts' to follow mob guys lots of people think what he writes is gospel. But it's not, in fact it's far from it. Like I said Furio he has MANY mistakes on those charts.

If you wanna see an extremely accurate chart I will post one I created on the Colombo Family for the period 1980-1990. THIS is a chart! It has the first and last names, nicknames, photographs, police numbers, and lists the criminal activities of nearly every single man who served that crew during that decade. I will post it for you ok.

Here it is. If you don't mind me saying so, this chart is the most accurate chart for the Colombo membership that you will ever see in your lifetime!

https://thenewyorkmafia.com/2021/03/18/the-colombo-family-chart-circa-1980-1990/

I even provide the historical makeup explaining the family's history and machinations above the chart. THAT'S a chart! Lol

And although no single chart can be 100% accurate, I'd say mine was close to 99% accurate for that time period!

That sounds about accurate. The funny thing about the Bonannos is that they have more guys today than they did 20 years ago. Some of those crews have several acting capos. The sad part though is that those new guys are all imbeciles. You wouldn't even believe how moronic some of them are. The life is dead!

In 2021, each of the 5 families are absolutely scraping the bottom of the barrel as far as new recruits go.

With all the opportunities today, for any young Italian guy to go into this dying 'vocation' he's gotta be a nincompoop

Agreed

I appreciate all of your contributions but crapping on another mans attempt at making current charts while saying you can do better.

And then providing a 30-40 year old chart of a family with tons of rats providing details of that family in that time period doesn’t prove much.

It's my opinion on the guy, plain and simple. And it's also my prerogative to speak anyway I like. And as I said previously, I did try befriending the guy and being nice to him but he's a nasty individual so thats all on him.

And what I say is the truth as well.

I NEVER poo-poo anybody's contribution to GBB or anywhere else for that matter. It's all good IMO. But truth be told, his charts do leave a lot to be desired. And if you have a solid knowledge of OC background for NYC then you should know that as well. If not, then thats another separate conversation.

By the way, Pogo as well as a few others on that other forum speak very badly about all of you posters here on GBB. He in particular 'disses' GBB every single chance he gets. So as far as 'crapping' as you say about others, he's one of the worst offenders.To hear him tell it, GBB is a bullshit forum and the posters are all fan boys, novices, and ignorant of any real OC stuff.

Maybe you should consider those things before you question my ethics?
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Frankly, for my money the most knowledgeable researcher and poster over there is "B"
He is a gentleman, and I truly enjoyed the research he did related to early CN history. He also searches out little known aspects and subject matter that I find very interesting. There are a few others whose work I respect there. But Pogo isn't one of them.

I think 25 years from now, as someone pointed out in another thread, the mafia/cosa nostra in this country will be nothing more than a history lesson. As you mentioned this country provides too many opportunities. The talent/recruiting pool just isn't there anymore.

With that being said:

Gambinos-150-175
Genovese- 200+
Colombos-75-100
Bonannos-125-150
Lucchese-100-125
Philly-50-60
Boston/RI-25-40

I agree. And your totals are realistic also. give or take a bit thats what these crews have today IMO

NYMafia, why don't you do a chart of the Colombo family during the third civil war 91-93 showing the Persico faction and the Orena faction?

Maybe I will undertake that subject. The in-depth pictorial Colombo chart I made for the 1980 thru 1990 period (ten years) I made specifically because it was right BEFORE the war and all the destabilization the war caused this crew. They were never the same afterwards.

So because it was the very last time that the full membership worked in cohesion with one another I thought it was worthwhile doing. (my thinking on it)
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Also, the majority of the men listed on my chart (I believe it was around 179 or so) for that period continued on living and hustling for the next several decades. So in many ways that chart was a current chart up until say the mid and late-2000s or so. Maybe 15-20 years back.