Its only my impression or apart the Sopranos,Hollywood or the TV can go out the mafia glorious old days?
Was made tons of movies on the golden age from the prohibition to the 1980s but apart the Soprano or the mob doctor,few things on the mafia decline. A movie or maybe a tv series were the mob is decimated by rats and main characther must survive between betrayl and the feds that try on everyway to made him flip. The Sopranos is a good tv serie but its not realistic.
The Sopranos was VERY realistic in my opinion, in fact much of the material was pulled straight from real life events, although the creator will never admit it.
There are so many TV series that could be made, like the DeMeo crew, the Massino reign of the Bonannos, the Vic and Gaspipe reign of the Luccheses, I think those series alone if done right could at least match if not beat The Sopranos.
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#1011860 05/18/2112:48 PM05/18/2112:48 PM
Sopranos did a great job, it’s a nice work of fiction but in terms of realism I think they did a sloppy job on the hits, the gun mechanics especially in the earlier seasons… A mob boss seeing psychiatrist? No way! The show at times is an accurate portrayal of the mob in the 80s but portrayed as happening in the 00s.
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#1011861 05/18/2101:06 PM05/18/2101:06 PM
The Sopranos was VERY realistic in my opinion, in fact much of the material was pulled straight from real life events, although the creator will never admit it.
First of all: the respect: the Lupertazzi won't respect a small family in NJ like in the show,because the Gambinos treat the Decav like your own crew and Gotti ordered him to remade an induction creremony in the 1980s; Second:plausibility:before 9/11 with a more massive FBI control than today, you can't stay all day taking the sun in front of Satriale and even if you have a no show job, because many mobsters was sentenced because had a no show job. Ok kill the stripper maybe there was no cameras out Bada Bing but when Paulie and Chris kill a waiter of a casinos for sure there was camera to record the killing. Third:the War: in real life when the Colombos went to war in the 1990s the family was almost disbanded where in the Soprano a family of 60 made men win against a 200 made me family and kill its boss that was in the NJ with his wife and nephew instead stay hidden in NY,and the Feds didn't do anything.
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#1011862 05/18/2101:14 PM05/18/2101:14 PM
There are so many TV series that could be made, like the DeMeo crew, the Massino reign of the Bonannos, the Vic and Gaspipe reign of the Luccheses, I think those series alone if done right could at least match if not beat The Sopranos.
Because Tony Soprano is a fictional character and in a certain sense a suburbian mafioso he is a character you can identify with: he does what he wants because he is the boss, he takes any woman without repercussions, he spends all day in front of Satriale or at Bada Bing etc while the real life mafioso like DeMeo is a mobster that kill cutting his victims in pieces,sell drugs,rob cars,snort coke with his crew,kill an innocent boy and at the end he die betrayled by his own men. Not a glamour mobster.
I agree that there are some unrealistic aspects about The Sopranos, but all-in-all it's very realistic in my opinion. Like when Christopher gets made everything wasn't all peaches and cream, he still had to hustle and grind his ass off. That's very realistic. And I forget the name of the real-life pork store, but Satriale's was based on a real life store where DeCavalcante wiseguys hung out. Same with Bada Bing, in real life the DeCavalcante boss Vinny Palermo owned a strip club called Wiggles, and Vinny Palermo also stayed in a mini-mansion very similar to Tony Soprano's.
I agree that there are some unrealistic aspects about The Sopranos, but all-in-all it's very realistic in my opinion. Like when Christopher gets made everything wasn't all peaches and cream, he still had to hustle and grind his ass off. That's very realistic. And I forget the name of the real-life pork store, but Satriale's was based on a real life store where DeCavalcante wiseguys hung out. Same with Bada Bing, in real life the DeCavalcante boss Vinny Palermo owned a strip club called Wiggles, and Vinny Palermo also stayed in a mini-mansion very similar to Tony Soprano's.
Yes,the Chris induction,the fact to use a front boss,have a strong jewish ally (Hesh is based on corky vastola that was in music industry),the fact that after Big Sal departure his wife lost all the money and must work in a supermarket like the fact that every wife tolerate a goomar etc are ok but what I say isnt real is that the boss of Lupertazzi family call the Sopranos "a glorified crew" and after they a NY family treat as equal with a small family; the decav arent the bufalino that was small but respected. Plus the whole NY/NJ war what do the fbi? During the mob wars in Cleveland or in NY the feds made a lot of arrests and seriously damaged the two parte,there the.Lupertazzi boss was killed nothing happened. In real life Tony Soprano would be arrested.
The Cleveland mob simply faded away into extinction because they didn't recruit any new blood. The Colombos on the other hand are still recruiting new blood to this day. Cleveland would've died anyway, but the gang wars certainly didn't help matters. As far as the DeCavalcantes being treated like a respected family, there have been times when they were respected and times when they were not respected, depending on the mood of NYC and who specifically we're talking about. Vinny Palermo was able to get some respect, even if it wasn't much. Tony Soprano would've been arrested eventually but he ended up getting killed, let's face it, that's exactly what happened even though the screen went black at the end. Vinny Palermo went several years without getting arrested too. And by the end of the show, the Sopranos were definitely decimated, just like the Colombos in real life. I mean, are we really gonna argue that the Sopranos were still a strong family or crew in the end? They were finished! They probably could've rebuilt, but they were surely decimated.
One thing I would say is unrealistic about The Sopranos is how they were able to discover and kill off all the rats. This RARELY happens in real life, in America at least. These days you have rats moving back to their old neighborhoods without two fucks, and few real-life wiseguys were smart enough to discover any rats. Even to this day they still get caught talking on body mikes, and even having induction ceremonies taped! This was understandable when it first started happening, but totally unacceptable that they're still falling for the same old tricks!
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#1011913 05/18/2106:41 PM05/18/2106:41 PM
The Cleveland mob simply faded away into extinction because they didn't recruit any new blood. The Colombos on the other hand are still recruiting new blood to this day. Cleveland would've died anyway, but the gang wars certainly didn't help matters. As far as the DeCavalcantes being treated like a respected family, there have been times when they were respected and times when they were not respected, depending on the mood of NYC and who specifically we're talking about. Vinny Palermo was able to get some respect, even if it wasn't much. Tony Soprano would've been arrested eventually but he ended up getting killed, let's face it, that's exactly what happened even though the screen went black at the end. Vinny Palermo went several years without getting arrested too. And by the end of the show, the Sopranos were definitely decimated, just like the Colombos in real life. I mean, are we really gonna argue that the Sopranos were still a strong family or crew in the end? They were finished! They probably could've rebuilt, but they were surely decimated.
On the screen Burt Gervasi,Bobby Baccalà are killed while Silvio is in coma and after maybe Tony die,so on a 60 made men family 4 are dead,on the screen,not a great massacre after all.
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If they made an Italian mafia series, I probably would say the same thing Furio....Like blatantly threatening and killing judges, innocent bystanders, women....I am not saying that stuff didn’t occur here but it would seem dramatized TO ME and my limited world view (I only been to Mexico, Puerto Rico and Canada) Mafia bosses hiding out for 30-40 years? Ludicrous to me also.
I would love to travel the world to just think outside the box and see how others live.
What the fuck are you talking about? So Bernardo Provenzano wasn't able to remain a fugitive for 40 years? Matteo Messina Denaro hasn't been a fugitive for nearly 30 years now?
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#1011941 05/18/2109:48 PM05/18/2109:48 PM
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Originally Posted by DillyDolly
Italianirishmix,
What the fuck are you talking about? So Bernardo Provenzano wasn't able to remain a fugitive for 40 years? Matteo Messina Denaro hasn't been a fugitive for nearly 30 years now?
Take it easy brother....My point is that exactly. In Italy a mafia boss IS/HAS been able to be a fugitive for decades and not get caught..If that were incorporated into a TV series, I wouldn’t believe it ONLY because no mafia boss has ever ran away from the law in US and remained elusive. Casso was probably the longest. Furio’s topic was based on Soprano’s believability and how home country facts, play a role when it comes to on screen depiction.
So The Sopranos were still strong at the end? They lost a lot of people throughout the series.
I never say that the Sopranos family was strong but who died? Palmice,Gigi Cestone,Ritchie Aprile,Ralph Cifaretto,Tony Blundetto,Parisi twin,Baccalieri father e son and Junior Soprano. 9 men that for sure would be replace by a making ceremony after Leotardo death.
Whitey Bulger wasn't a Mafia boss, but he was a gang boss who was a fugitive for 16 years. Mobster Enrico Ponzo was on the lam for decades as well. Everyone seems to think that this can't be done or that can't be done in America, I don't believe that to be the case at all. You'd be surprised at how many murders of all types go unsolved in this country, lots of cold cases. Yet shows like CSI would lead you to believe that every single murder gets solved.
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#1011955 05/19/2106:33 AM05/19/2106:33 AM
Whitey Bulger wasn't a Mafia boss, but he was a gang boss who was a fugitive for 16 years. Mobster Enrico Ponzo was on the lam for decades as well. Everyone seems to think that this can't be done or that can't be done in America, I don't believe that to be the case at all. You'd be surprised at how many murders of all types go unsolved in this country, lots of cold cases. Yet shows like CSI would lead you to believe that every single murder gets solved.
You forget that Riina and Provenzano despite was on the lam for most part of their lives,continued to control Cosa Nostra activities while Bulger escape from Boston and Ponzo was a low ranking associate.Apart Casso or Persico that continued to run the family even on the lam but for a very short times.No American Cosa Nostra boss stayed on the lam for more if tried to continue to run his family.
You're right Furio, but Persico was still able to run the Colombos from prison 😆, he even masterminded a mob war from there that tore his crime family apart. It's sad that they're still paying for his actions today.
You're right Furio, but Persico was still able to run the Colombos from prison 😆, he even masterminded a mob war from there that tore his crime family apart. It's sad that they're still paying for his actions today.
I doubt that masterminded a mob war from prison,he was sent in 1987 to Marion prison in Illinois.Half colombo family is made by his relatives,Andrew Russo and the rat Scarpa made all the work.
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That's where you're wrong Furio, you can doubt all you want, but it's been well-documented that Persico conducted the war for control of the Colombo Family from prison. And he also spent time in Lompoc, California where it was very relaxed and he had several freedoms.
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#1011983 05/19/2105:06 PM05/19/2105:06 PM
That's where you're wrong Furio, you can doubt all you want, but it's been well-documented that Persico conducted the war for control of the Colombo Family from prison. And he also spent time in Lompoc, California where it was very relaxed and he had several freedoms.
The Lompoc Four. Carmine Persico on drums, with Joseph Russo on guitar, and Anthony Senter (Right) and Mark Reiter (Left) singing.
