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Some Thoughts & Questions Based on Sammy the Bull' #1011037
05/05/21 03:15 PM
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My first post here. Been watching Sammy the Bull on Youtube and I'd say he brings great content but after watching most of his videos I got some questions and thoughts regarding his life in LCN at the end.

In one if his videos there's a story how Genovese/ Lucchese alliance started to take out Gotti's top men. Sammy himself survived by skin of his nuts then they tried to hit him. The question is why this isn't considered a mob war? Like many experts claims families didn't have wars between each other since Castellammarese but this is basically a war between the families not just random skirmish. Isn't it considered because Gambinos didn't hit back much after DeCicco death? Also my thoughts are basically Gotti's team lived on borrowed time. If not Sammy's and Gotti's arrest in late 1990s do you think they'd be killed sooner or later?

Some years ago I've read also that Nicky Scarfo didn't like Gotti much and Sammy kind of confirmed in the video that Scarfo called Sammy to come to Atlantic City and indirectly told that if Sammy wanted to take over the family he'd have his back. Don't you think it was a plan of Chin same as Frank Tieri's plan to double cross Anthony Caponigro killing Bruno and take the rackets in North New Jersey and if Sammy killed Gotti he'd be dead too? Or Scarfo legit liked Sammy and would support him in that regard without approval of Chin/Manna? Your thoughts.

Re: Some Thoughts & Questions Based on Sammy the Bull' [Re: RoadG13] #1011042
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I don't think that the Genovese-Lucchese plots to take out Gotti and Company was anything equivalent to a war between the Genovese-Lucchese Families vs the Gambinos. Reason being that it was over the Gotti administration breaking Mafia protocol by taking out a boss without Commission approval. If the plots were successful, those responsible would've been whacked out, and the Gambino deck would've been reshuffled with a new administration, simple as that, no muss no fuss. If Gotti wasn't constantly on camera, I strongly believe that it's a guarantee that he would've been whacked along with several of his loyalists, Locascio and Gravano included. I can only imagine the headaches that the Mafia could've avoided if Gotti had been blown to pieces right along with DeCicco that fateful day, things would be so different even today.

As for your question regarding Scarfo vs Gotti? Gigante and Manna, in my opinion, would've been very pleased if Gravano took out Gotti, it would've saved the Genoveses from having to do it as they were already after Gotti's head. Also, keep in mind that Scarfo was basically put in power by Gigante, and Gigante hated Gotti, so he would've had no problem with Scarfo directly or indirectly taking out Gotti as he saw Gotti as an illegitimate boss anyway.

Re: Some Thoughts & Questions Based on Sammy the Bull' [Re: RoadG13] #1011081
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DeCicco's killing was enough. No one had plans to take out Gotti's top men.If they took out Gotti they'd have a major war on their hands. Practically, every member of the Gotti Family were made. They also had loyal Captains. Sammy would've been wacked way before he had a chance to whack Gotti.

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That's a load of bullshit, after DeCicco's murder the Genoveses were still gunning for Gotti even 2 years afterwards. There were even Gambinos who were tired of Gotti but didn't have the balls to step up and remove him as a detriment to the borgata. The only Gotti boys who were diehard loyalists were those who came up in the underworld with Gotti, long before they were made. Now they would've been a problem. I still say that the only reason Gotti wasn't whacked was because he was on camera all day everyday, the Genoveses or Luccheses did NOT fear retribution or a war.

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And I will add that DeCicco's murder was NOT enough. Gotti was ULTIMATELY seen as being primarily responsible for the unauthorized assassination of Castellano. They really wanted Gotti.

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Originally Posted by Beenaround
DeCicco's killing was enough. No one had plans to take out Gotti's top men.If they took out Gotti they'd have a major war on their hands. Practically, every member of the Gotti Family were made. They also had loyal Captains. Sammy would've been wacked way before he had a chance to whack Gotti

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. Doubtful. Don’t forget they also killed close Gotti associates Ed Lino and Bobby Boriello with zero retribution

Re: Some Thoughts & Questions Based on Sammy the Bull' [Re: RoadG13] #1011151
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I believe a lot of what Gravano says..More then I do Franzese, that's for sure...but I don't believe his story that they were gonna take out Gigante...They were killing Gambino guys and Gotti reached out to make peace..I believe that was just Gravano trying to save face and maybe try and convince DeCicco's family that he wanted to get revenge but was held back by Gotti

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Re: Some Thoughts & Questions Based on Sammy the Bull' [Re: RoadG13] #1011154
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I doubt there was any serious thought about taking out Gigante. I'm sure it was brought up as tough talk, but no way i believe any plan was discussed. The war that would have ensued would have been too much on the families and Law Enforcement would've had a field day. Makes no sense. I also think the other families would have decided after taking out their own boss and now Gigante that the Gambino's were completely out of control and intent on taking over the city themselves. Why stop at just those two bosses? No I dont think it was a serious option at all

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Gotti broke Mafia protocol, plain and simple. If Gotti and his loyalists had gotten whacked the Gambinos would've ended up with a new, better, more low-profile administration, that's my strong belief.

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Originally Posted by DillyDolly
Gotti broke Mafia protocol, plain and simple. If Gotti and his loyalists had gotten whacked the Gambinos would've ended up with a new, better, more low-profile administration, that's my strong belief.

I think most would agree with you. Gotti was not equipped to be a good boss. Hell he honestly wasn’t even a good capo. Frank Decicco was probably the best fit for boss at that point in time


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