You should watch your tone, Don Alite will send Gene Borello to baseball bat you once he gets out of prison of course.

There are so many rats because the mafia cannot hit em after they do.

I think most real gangsters would argue that you know what’s worse than ratting? Letting rats live openly in mob neighborhoods and doing nothing about it because these so called “gangsters” are afraid to do anything because they’re afraid of losing they’re freedom and money. I’m not sure Borello or Alite would have let someone get away with that if the roles were reversed.. Which tells me that these so called tough guy gangsters are fake every single one of them. No real gangster would let someone rat them out and then move back to the neighborhood. It’s the same thing as letting someone punk you in prison and doing nothing about it...It’s a bitch move...

Well, Colombo mobster Tommy Stacks Leonessa did beat the shit out of Bonanno rat Joey D’Amico after he went back to the neighborhood, and Whitey Bulger was killed in prison supposedly by a Genovese associate. The Animal Barboza was killed by a Patriarca mobster in California, and Mario Riccobene was killed in Philadelphia. I also heard that John Alite had his ass kicked and ran out of a club by some Albanians. Sometimes, just sometimes, street justice is served.

I’m not talking about certain individual mobsters, I’m talking about the bosses who are afraid to order retribution and I’m talking about in the modern day not Barboza in 1976(45 years ago)or Mario Riccoobene in 1993(28 years ago). I’m talking about in the modern times the last 10-20 years ..and Whitey was killed by Genovese associate doing life. Again not the leaders on the street who are afraid to do anything...and I’m talking about Cosa Nostra , the Russians and Albanians are a different animal

In the 1990s the Gambinos send two men to kill Gravano after he went to life openly and not under false name,one of two flipped,that it,the American Mafiavis this mess because they dont kill the rat because was afraid of heat and the wiseguys havent the balls to serve long sentences. In italy every rat would be killed and in some cases would killed his family.

Yes this is what got Peter Gotti sent to die in the can was a hit on Gravano.

Yeah, but Cosa Nostra is still trying to survive in NYC.

The Russian mob, compared to their Brighton Beach golden days in the late 80's and 90's, is basically non-existent in NYC these days.
Albanians are around in NYC, but they're FAR FROM operating on Cosa Nostra's level - as wounded as the Mob is these days - and they never will be, no matter what some sensationalist media blowhard likes to tell the public. Give it another decade or so and nobody will even talk about the "Albanian mafia in NYC" anymore.

Thats not entirely true Furio.

Many decades ago it was true that Sicily had very, very few informers. But for that matter, so did the mafia in the U.S.

In recent decades there have been so many "pentiti" in Sicily, that it's almost impossible to count them all. Just like in the U.S., with the tightening up of laws, preventive detention, witness protection, and long draconian sentences and asset forfeitures, many Sicilian born mafiosi turn into rats as well. I'ts just the way it is.

Do they still have more structure, rules that are followed. And are they much more dedicated to their underworld 'craft'? the answer is yes! You bet your sweet Bippy they are!

But let's not pretend that there are no rats in Italy and Sicily. From Tomasso Buscetta, to Rosario Naimo on down, they've had more than their fair share. The only difference is over there they will chop them up into little pieces if they catch them.

But even that tactic has been nullified in recent years, because the Italian government most often whisks them away into protective custody, just like the U.S. Witness Program that the Italians modeled their program after.
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And as a sidenote; I cannot condone slaughtering woman, children, babies, and other innocents for the misdeeds of their fathers, husbands, and brothers. That is degenerate shit! And makes the Mafia no better than these Colombian drug cartels who wantonly kill entire families.

You saw what happened when that degenerate nut job Gaspipe Casso ordered the killing of Pete Chiodo's sister and uncle right? Thats bad shit in my book (and in the book of a lot of other people as well. The vast majority of mafiosi do not condone such actions).

Toto Reina does that. But he's an animal anyway!
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The bottom line is because there are SO many rats and traitors in the American Cosa Nostra, the bosses have "wisely" have chosen to refrain from killings (in fact, it is a direct "directive" from the Commission that there is a moratorium on murders). except in extreme cases..... Now thats a very sad fact. But it's true! And has weakened Cosa Nostra greatly.

This is being done because they have seen in recent years that nearly everyrtime they order a hit, there is a major investigation, and those involved get pinched because the rats from within, tell law enforcement who did it in 3 seconds. It is a very fucked up scenario.
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As a result of this, and because of the sorry, sorry, state of affairs that Cosa Nostra finds itself in. Many of the smarter members have either formally retired from the life, or have pulled in their wings and almost completely refrain from criminal activities. They have chosen to invest more heavily into legitimate business where there is much more money to be had nowadays anyway!

NOTE: I just had this same conversation with a dear friend of mine several weeks back (he is a goodfella in NY), and he was saying how he doesn't deal with anybody anymore. He'll go to the occasional wake or wedding when he has to, but prefers to just send a floral arrangement or an envelope when he can, so he can stay away from public exposure. He operates several lucrative businesses which bring in decent money. He literally has backed up 95% from his former activities. He still has a piece of a small sports book with a Jewish partner of his who has been around him for years, but thats about it. And he only associates with a very small clique of knock-around guys who we both grew up with. He frequent the same couple of restaurants we have for decades since we were kids. And thats it! He stays away from most everyone unless he's "called in"

End of story. He is semi-retired. Period! (he is not alone in this way of thinking). Only the desperadoes who are broke, or the idiots still bounce in the streets the way they did years back.

NYMafia its true that there are more pentiti in sicilian mafia but they and their family must escape because they always risk to be whacked,the sicilian mafia almost menaged to rebuilt the Cupola,so a rat that go for the Palermo streets its impossibile because the rule is to kill him. In a documentary the Buscetta family in America still live in the fear of the revenge because the mob can wait but when have the change,it will hit.
The US mob instead prefer the money to the revenge,even if the last case was the Lucchese that send a hit team to kill Sean Richards,the Riggi's daughter former husband.

The Mafia in the U.S. is becoming more and more incapable of maintaining their structure and decorum. By the year 2021, the mob is longer recognizable to the one I grew up with. They no longer are a potent entity.

They are like a lion without teeth! Sad, but true. It is to the low point now, that when a customer owes a shylock or bookie money you cannot even threaten him, otherwise he immediately runs to the law to escape paying back what he legitimately owes. Why? Because he knows he can get away with it.

If Cosa Nostra would leave a 1/2 dozen bodies in the street the way they used to do, you'd see how fast these jerkoffs would pay their bookies and shylocks. Lol

But alas, it has become largely a joke. And unfortunately the joke is on Cosa Nostra.

But this cannot stay as the norm. Because if it does, there will be no Cosa Nostra worth a shit within a short period of time.

NY Mafia you should keep a closer eye on what actually goes on in Italy. Rats aren't as effective over there, there was a former rat named Claudio Carbonaro who recently returned to the fold as head of his clan and took charge of a multimillion-dollar toxic waste trafficking operation. And like I said before, informers over there have even been used by the Mafia to mislead law enforcement. Also, 41-bis isn't as ironclad as everyone thinks it is, it can be bought like everything else and bosses have been running companies and controlling millions of dollars in assets even from prison. It's a completely different animal over there.

Of course it is. The main reason for that is that the ethnic makeup and lineage of Italy/Sicily is nearly 100% all Italian born and bred people. The mafia "psyche" is permeated throughout the land.

Not like in the U.S.A. where such a small number of Italians live, and the populous hasn't grown up around Cosa Nostra from birth. It is a completely different ballgame over there.

But let's not "color coat" it, a rat is a rat! No matter how you wanna slice it.

NYMafia,Nicodemo killed DiPietro and get 25 years without flip (he will be in his 70s when will go out),how many Nicodemo do you think the us mafia have? Today the Gambinos and Genoveses are focused on white collar crimes that made milions in the shadow that on the drug trafficking that made milions but attire too heat,the mob families should induct only the people that are ready to risk life for the family and not run to the feds for avoid 20 y in the can.Sad but true,maybe they will decrease in number but making only Cosa Nostra til I die men,they will regain some of their power .

I agree 1000% Furio.

But I have to say, that I personally know many, many fellas (dear friends of mine unfortunately) who have either served, or currently are serving, decades long sentences. They are all stand-up guys in the truest sense of the word.

And there are still lots of stand up guys in NYC and elsewhere.

The major problem is that in Cosa Nostra, even 1 rat is 1 rat too many. Because they know too many secrets once they're inducted.

And as I stated at the top of my post. With over 90 known rats in NYC alone, with many more in the woodwork. Thats a HUGE number. An insurmountable number to overcome. Especially among a membership of only a little more than 1000 inducted men.

So today? What they do, is that even as a goodfella, most of these new guys (and even the older guys) are ONLY told what they need to know.

Its on a "need to know basis" only. This way if/when a guy flips, he can't bring down a hundred guys. Only his immediate crew at best.

But even that is still NOT enough to balance the scales in favor of CN with all these fucking rodents running around today!

The solution but its only a my opinion would be to hire some hackers to violate the FBI database and know the wiseguy that are listed as informants.

You're right that a rat is a rat, however longterm the Mafia's strategy of not going after them and their relatives in Italy has paid off. Otherwise it would have resulted in more public attention, more relentless crackdowns, more public outcry, etc. Bernardo Provenzano's strategy worked better than Toto Riina’s strategy. At the end of the day it's about the perseverance and survival of the organization. Kudos to those guys for putting power and profit first rather than listening to a bunch of rap music influenced internet gangsters yapping about killing off all the rats.

On another note, I think even more than rats and RICO the American Mafia suffers from a dried-up recruitment pool, and their greatest weakness is fear of prison. Criminal gangs that don't give a fucx about prison will always win over those who are afraid of prison.

If the guy is a real degenerate gambler, they could just cut him off until he pays what he owes. To some of those guys that's like a fate worse then death.

Unfortunately Veasey was made by Stanfa. He should have never been made but Stanfa made a lot of guys that shouldn't have been made.

For years I said Previte wasn't made but I recently watched an interview with Boston Bob Luisi and he stated that in fact Previte was considered a "friend"

That crazy. It really shows just how low the Philly mob had sank by that point

How many turncoats in Chicago??

not that many made guys as far as public knowledge, until Nick Calabrese flipped. Although we now know that soldier Butch Blasi, and associates Lefty Rosenthal, Ralph Pierce, and other close associates and outfit leaders were in fact confidential rats for years.