If he was a rat they would have Skinny or Joe L no way with the unsolved murders is Lance allowed to operate under feds or LE there no way …. It’s not like in the beginning they needed to find out who was who and what was what …. It’s all out there .

I gotta say I don't disagree with Louie on this one. He makes a good argument, Time will tell.

He makes no argument. Lance is super careful. You almost never hear him on any tapes and the rats don't know him. Lance can smell a rat from a mile away.

Louis needs to apologize to Michael

I don't get Louie's fixation with calling everybody a rat or informant? What useful purpose does it serve to try and besmirch someone without 1 solid ounce of proof?

If this wasn't a mob forum for bantering BS around, guys who dare make those types of statements open themselves up to civil lawsuits and worse.

Ya know, my own father used to say that before you look to denigrate a guy speaking badly about him, and especially to throw out a such a volatile accusation that he's a rat, you'd better have REAL solid 100% proof that you're right.

Because it's the easiest thing in the world to ruin a person's reputation, and once done, its one of the hardest things to rectify and 'get your reputation' back regardless of whether you are innocent of the charge or not.

Be VERY careful when you speak ill of people. Especially in "The Life" because more than one guy has wound up in a car trunk for talking out of turn and talking shit.

And many a guy got hurt from people suspecting he WAS a rat, when in fact he WAS NOT.

Case in point, Lucchese soldier Bruno Facciolo, who was clipped for guys thinking he went bad. When he hadn't. It was a 'bum wire' that got the guy killed.

So if you are like to consider yourself a decent person and not a creep, be careful what you say and who you say it too. It is the same courtesy that you yourself would want if in their situation.

It's because of his hatred for the life. Louie is just another Moe. He truly believes that anyone who has gotten far in that life is a reprehensible human being. He can believe that all he wants, but his hatred has obviously corrupted him. If he applied logic and reason to his thoughts, he wouldn't be saying what he's saying. Carmine Persico may have been a hoodlum, but he was also a father, a husband and a friend to thousands of people. He did a lot of good for many people. The government would never admit this. Journalists won't write about it because it's not sexy to talk about a person's good deeds. To them, only sensationalism gets clicks. What they fail to realize is that people are on to their pathetic game. The people want the truth!

For anybody to have such hatred as you stated, IMO he must have been personally assaulted or abused in some manner to hold such a blinding grudge. For instance, I may not like a guy, or a given subject, or a 'thing,' but I'm not crazed about it like he is about Italian organized crime.

It seems 'extremely' personal to him. Thats why I say he must have been adversely affected by them in some way that he sees red every time he even thinks of wiseguys or the mob.

Am I right here or what? Does what I'm saying make sense to you?

The unreasonable level of uneven thinking he has (and Moe for that matter as well), makes me think they hold personal 'grudges' against all things mafia. For Gods sake, even cops and feebees don't feel as passionate about the subject as he does.

It's very possible. I would not be surprised if he or someone close to him was abused or hurt by a member of that life. It could also be his upbringing. Psychologically, he is a complete mess. It's so blatantly obvious that it stopped being funny a long time ago.

“Im not crazed about it”..says the guy with a website with thousands of pictures and articles dedicated to Wiseguys not to mention a YouTube channel...and i never said everyone in that life is a reprehensible human being. Just that to make it to the top should have to at one point or another do reprehensible things...People like Vinny Basciano for instance had a good side to him and was a gentleman...

A good side to him lol. Every human has a good side to them. Even Hitler had good sides to him. Would you consider Vinny Basciano to be a good man? Would you like to be his friend? If the answer is no then go fuck yourself

All the time !

Dam right …. And the feds …. They destroyed so many innocent families and friends just to get to a someone they want or wanted …. So please go and hunt some feds or LE that do this . I personally have had this happen. I know that if feds know you know something they need , they will have you pulled over and a oz or more of coke and a gun will be found in your car .Then they squeeze you to rat or do the time . This and things like it happens all the time .

You're agreeing with someone who's saying Hitler had good points.

He's literally making death threats now. Are the moderators going to tolerate this?

Hard to fathom he’s not a dry snitch. My only issue is why show up to the making ceremony knowing someone else is wired?

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Moe, you are such a nutty "little man", or rather such a "nutty little nothing".......nobody threatened anybody with anything. But you will try and twist every single conversation and bend it to fit your narrative.

I suggest you got back to grade school and learn how to read what is written so you don't get confused all the time.

It must really suck to be you. Living in a constant world-wind of confusion and fantasyland trauma.

Ya know, you don't have to agree with everything everybody says. I certainly don't. But you also don't have to try and besmirch everyone who doesn't agree with you by writing lies and attempting to twist their words and the meaning of what they say.

The logical people of this forum see right through you like glass.

It's just next level nutty! That's you! A nut!

Look at Nicky Rizzo from the Colombo family up until a few years ago he never was pinched the guy is a real old timer.
Even the pinch he had was B.S. gambling charge.

And he was pretty active
Had his hands in alot of different rackets

He had guys on Wall street kicking up money to him.
Loan sharking
Gambling

Thats what I know of personally.

It's not illegal to preside over an induction ceremony. You have to tie them to crimes. If you want to nail them on a RICO you must find them guilty on 2 predicate Acts. Lance is just a shrewd guy. Look at when Joey took him to the Genovese restaurant owner by Patsy Patella in the Bronx. Some of the guys were getting offended by Lance standoffish behavior . Skinny Joey just said that's the way he's always been and he doesn't mean no disrespect. Lance assumed every place he is in is wired and it's an instinct that has served him well. If he was wired or reporting info back the Feds he would be a lot more Social.

I've lived two blocks from Lance for close to the last quarter century, and I don't think I've heard him speak 25 combined words. He's a super low profile guy who only associates with a few people from my observations. There were a lot of guys on this from thought Anthony Nicademo was going to rat too.

I generally don’t comment on active guys but this allegation is totally off in my opinion. I don’t know him, never met him. But I know and knew guys who are discussed here and never once have I heard a bad word about Lance. People read these forums and it’s not cool to start rumors that could escalate outside of this website.

You need to have a special kind of rot residing within you to want to call someone a rat without any proof

I’ve seen Mikey Lance before doing a walk and talk around the Novacare center on Hartfrant.

The guy does talk and you will see him out and about in South Philly all the time.

I’ve seen him at all the hang spots (clubhouses).

He’s just smart with what he says and I’m one to believe that there is no way he’s an informant.

There’s just some guys that are smart and careful with what they say and do. He’s also had a lot of luck involved as don’t forget he was both Anthony Nicodemo and Dom Grande’s Capo at certain points over the past twenty years. He’s really only had that complete fraud, crumb Ralph Natale flip on him to implement him in murders which isn’t saying much as Ralph had less credibility than Cuomo saying he didn’t touch all them broads….

-Dante

^ What I mean by he’s also had a lot of luck is that if people like Nicodemo and Grande didn’t stand up , we would most likely be having a different conversation, I’m sure they would have Lance on some serious charges then.

That Borgata gambling ring bust in AC was also his crew at that point, he lucked out there (was originally charged in it but case was beyond weak against him had charges dropped) no one flipped on him there. He’s having a lucky run, there’s no doubt about it……

-Dante

Which makes him a smart guy. He's smart that he doesn't talk much but he is also lucky nobody close to him has flipped. And in the future if a guy does flip Lance never hurt or badmouthed nobody so they will probably shield him the best they can. The Feds will just want Joey Georgie and Stevie anyways and will focus on them. Lance is very intelligent