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Re: The Source -La Source [Re: Blackmobs] #1060058
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Thanks Vito!

I’d take it with a grain of salt with a few things like someone mentioned above with Sollecito, Scoppa for sure wanted Sauce dead so for sure I could see some of that info being messed up. I’d say there is some truth in there as well though.

I’ll list my other comments as I finish the book this second time. Anyone on the edge about buying this book go ahead and pull the trigger. Very good read as Anti mentioned. I read this in 2 nights, I just couldn’t put the damn book down???? there are other questions I wished they would have asked him too but oh well. The Scoppa’s were as snakey/cagey as he claimed Sollecito is, that’s for damn sure!

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Yeah Dixie that was a big take away from the book for me as well. All these guys are or were cut throats. Scoppa doesn't come off looking like a saint at all. Scoppa could be lumping murders on Sollecito out of spite and seeing if police take the bait. I guess the fact that Sollecito has yet to be arrested for any of the claimed murders he took part in, ordered etc. Could be telling. Obviously the police would have to investigate and verify, but nothing immediate has happened yet.

Re: The Source -La Source [Re: Blackmobs] #1060074
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Is it true that Felix Seguin’s birthday is the same day Scoppa was killed: October 21?

Re: The Source -La Source [Re: LuanKuci] #1060077
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Originally Posted by LuanKuci
Is it true that Felix Seguin’s birthday is the same day Scoppa was killed: October 21?


Yes.

From La Source:

Andrea Scoppa est mort le 21 octobre 2019, le jour de mon anniversaire, atteint d'une balle en plein visage.


From the ICI Radio-Canada site (https://ici.radio-canada.ca/ohdio/p...guin-hells-angels-mafia-enquete-quebecor):

Né le 21 octobre 1977, Félix Séguin a entamé sa carrière ....

Re: The Source -La Source [Re: Blackmobs] #1060079
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Coincidence or message?

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Birthday present?

Re: The Source -La Source [Re: Blackmobs] #1060084
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Something like that

What if word went out that he’d been talking to the press?

It’d be the perfect message: we know he’s been talking…to you specifically

Re: The Source -La Source [Re: LuanKuci] #1060116
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Originally Posted by LuanKuci
Something like that

What if word went out that he’d been talking to the press?

It’d be the perfect message: we know he’s been talking…to you specifically


His name was actually leaked as being one of the rats so it wouldn't surprise me for real.

Re: The Source -La Source [Re: VitoCahill] #1060117
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Originally Posted by VitoCahill
Yeah Dixie that was a big take away from the book for me as well. All these guys are or were cut throats. Scoppa doesn't come off looking like a saint at all. Scoppa could be lumping murders on Sollecito out of spite and seeing if police take the bait. I guess the fact that Sollecito has yet to be arrested for any of the claimed murders he took part in, ordered etc. Could be telling. Obviously the police would have to investigate and verify, but nothing immediate has happened yet.


No doubt! He showed so much hate for Steve you just can't take it all as 100% factual for sure. I'm not sure that the insinuation that Steve killed Giordano for the book as truth either. By that point he had many enemies and was muscle for the Rizzuto's as well so I wouldn't count out as that coming from the Desjardins side either. Scoppa had a lot to gain by seeing Steve go down for any murder if it was true.

Also so far I definitely don't believe him and his brother didn't talk or have anything to do with each other like he claimed. They were making many power plays behind the scenes and I seriously doubt that both of them were not in on the same hit and I think they helped each other in spots. I'm back to the Rizzuto chapter so I'll add my other thoughts as I go along and remind myself what I wanted to talk about LOL

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yes the narrative of the 2 scoppa brothers not being connected at all is rubbish. of course when push came to shove the lined up together. im sure at times they werent working hand in hand controlling territory and rackets, but from 2015 and on they sure were. their other brother roberto was not involved with them that is for sure. roberto continues to have connections to illegal dumping but that seems to be all.

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Originally Posted by dixiemafia
Originally Posted by VitoCahill
Yeah Dixie that was a big take away from the book for me as well. All these guys are or were cut throats. Scoppa doesn't come off looking like a saint at all. Scoppa could be lumping murders on Sollecito out of spite and seeing if police take the bait. I guess the fact that Sollecito has yet to be arrested for any of the claimed murders he took part in, ordered etc. Could be telling. Obviously the police would have to investigate and verify, but nothing immediate has happened yet.


No doubt! He showed so much hate for Steve you just can't take it all as 100% factual for sure. I'm not sure that the insinuation that Steve killed Giordano for the book as truth either. By that point he had many enemies and was muscle for the Rizzuto's as well so I wouldn't count out as that coming from the Desjardins side either. Scoppa had a lot to gain by seeing Steve go down for any murder if it was true.

Also so far I definitely don't believe him and his brother didn't talk or have anything to do with each other like he claimed. They were making many power plays behind the scenes and I seriously doubt that both of them were not in on the same hit and I think they helped each other in spots. I'm back to the Rizzuto chapter so I'll add my other thoughts as I go along and remind myself what I wanted to talk about LOL


They didn't insinuate Stefano Sollecito was behind Lorenzo Giordano's murder. This is what they said.

"Who had killed him? Maybe Andrew had something to do with it; the police certainly suspected his brother Salvatore."

Lorenzo Giordano's killer has been arrested and convicted already. Dominico Scarfo was arrested in 2019 and was convicted of Lorenzo Giordano's murder last year. He was arrested with Jonathan Massari Guy Dion and Marie Josee Viau and all of them have gone to trial and were convicted and sentenced to life except for Guy Dion. Guy Dion was acquitted and everyone else has appealed their convictions. Marie Josee Viau is out pending her new trial.

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agreed mafia. scarfo was arrested, charged and convicted of murder of giordano. scarfo worked directly under salvatore scoppa. case closed.
all of which came to conclusion recently.

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Guess I should of mentioned the four arrested were working under Salvatore Scoppa lol

Re: The Source -La Source [Re: Mafia101] #1060456
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Originally Posted by Mafia101
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Originally Posted by VitoCahill
Yeah Dixie that was a big take away from the book for me as well. All these guys are or were cut throats. Scoppa doesn't come off looking like a saint at all. Scoppa could be lumping murders on Sollecito out of spite and seeing if police take the bait. I guess the fact that Sollecito has yet to be arrested for any of the claimed murders he took part in, ordered etc. Could be telling. Obviously the police would have to investigate and verify, but nothing immediate has happened yet.


No doubt! He showed so much hate for Steve you just can't take it all as 100% factual for sure. I'm not sure that the insinuation that Steve killed Giordano for the book as truth either. By that point he had many enemies and was muscle for the Rizzuto's as well so I wouldn't count out as that coming from the Desjardins side either. Scoppa had a lot to gain by seeing Steve go down for any murder if it was true.

Also so far I definitely don't believe him and his brother didn't talk or have anything to do with each other like he claimed. They were making many power plays behind the scenes and I seriously doubt that both of them were not in on the same hit and I think they helped each other in spots. I'm back to the Rizzuto chapter so I'll add my other thoughts as I go along and remind myself what I wanted to talk about LOL


They didn't insinuate Stefano Sollecito was behind Lorenzo Giordano's murder. This is what they said.

"Who had killed him? Maybe Andrew had something to do with it; the police certainly suspected his brother Salvatore."

Lorenzo Giordano's killer has been arrested and convicted already. Dominico Scarfo was arrested in 2019 and was convicted of Lorenzo Giordano's murder last year. He was arrested with Jonathan Massari Guy Dion and Marie Josee Viau and all of them have gone to trial and were convicted and sentenced to life except for Guy Dion. Guy Dion was acquitted and everyone else has appealed their convictions. Marie Josee Viau is out pending her new trial.


Ahhh I totally forgot about that. I got to stay around and stay more current

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Re: The Source -La Source [Re: Blackmobs] #1060518
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Also, has anybody heard if Desjardins and Mirarchi are still on the outs like Scoppa said? I never understood why he skipped out in the Montagna charge when Mirarchi and others fought the case while Desjardins took his plea unless he wanted to get away for a while to be safe behind bars which he clearly wasn’t

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I was surprised to learn that it was Roger Valiquette that tried to kill Desjardins and not Montagna; but nevertheless Montagna's aggressiveness and move on the Rizzuto's turf, would probably had him killed anyway .

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One question about Montagna: can we say for sure that no payback was ever carried out after his death? Desjardin’s faction got hit too so maybe one of those killed was retribution. Thoughts?

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I haven't seen any evidence yet but it doesn't exclude a family member or associate from seeking revenge in the future. Most of his crew from Montreal that were supporting him have been killed, defected or closed operations . The media hasn't been reporting about the Arcuri's for a while.

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Another interesting fact, as stated in the book, this excerpt was taken from wiretaps documents filed in court as part of Project Magot.

Which reads: Stefano said Leo was like a marshmallow. He didn't have the backbone to tell others what to do. Stefano added (three Mafiosi) had no balls and had trouble not doing their jobs, and that Leo was the reason Stefano's hands were tied."

Who is he referring to as Leo and three mafiosi ?

I'll leave it to your imagination.

The above information was taken from p148 English copy of Inside the Montreal Mafia book

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Originally Posted by Ciment
I was surprised to learn that it was Roger Valiquette that tried to kill Desjardins and not Montagna; but nevertheless Montagna's aggressiveness and move on the Rizzuto's turf, would probably had him killed anyway .


Yea that was surprising for sure. I thought 100% Montagna would have been the one behind it. They definitely more cutthroat North of the border but I agree, eventually this goes South. Desjardins is as cagey as any of them and I think Montagna would have tried to give him up or turn on him eventually

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I was surprised to learn that it was Roger Valiquette that tried to kill Desjardins and not Montagna; but nevertheless Montagna's aggressiveness and move on the Rizzuto's turf, would probably had him killed anyway .


Yea that was surprising for sure. I thought 100% Montagna would have been the one behind it. They definitely more cutthroat North of the border but I agree, eventually this goes South. Desjardins is as cagey as any of them and I think Montagna would have tried to give him up or turn on him eventually


I agree he is cagey and cunning. The relationship between Montagna and Desjardins could of lasted if it weren't for Montagna's greed. He wanted to raises street taxes , keep most of the proceeds earned from the gambling book and more. That pissed a lot of people. Had he done his home work, he would of realized that the war against the Rizzuto's, was started by the drug dealers over money.

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Félix Séguin et le parrain de la mafia: «J’ai réalisé que cette relation professionnelle devenait trop personnelle pour lui»
https://www.journaldemontreal.com/2...nelle-devenait-trop-personnelle-pour-lui

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