In this day and age of 2021, how much money would you say a mob associate or mob member should earn per year in order to make the risks of possible arrest and imprisonment worth it?

Obviously the more the better! Lol.... but at the very least, what kind of money are we talking about here, that a hoodlum racketeer should set his sights on earning to even out the risks involved in the life....the constant surveillance, arrests, lawyer fees, possible conviction, imprisonment, etc?

Not to mention all the back-stabbing drama that potentially goes on behind the scenes. Mob politics, and potential physical dangers involved in dealing on the streets?

Whats the yearly minimum he should be making for himself after kicking up to his superiors?... and what's the "desired" annual amount? (and lets keep it realistic shall we fellas. No pie in the sky zillion dollar figures).

Interesting question fellas, no?

1 million a year minimum. Anything less isn’t worth it and is possible without turning to crime...it’s never been easier to get rich w the rise of tech and the internet then it is now...

For me that is an honest people could be big $$$ to risk to go to prison,here was made a scam where was created fake betting internet sites where the people think of bet on the legal site but the money went to offshore banks,that made 9 milions a years,that would be a good start.

Interesting question but it is really complex.

An associate who has a legit job and only has a book or some money on the street doesn’t need to make as much as an associate or soldier who only earns on the street and is only involved in drugs or robberies.

But I am interested to hear what others say.

Also have to consider with the lifestyle money gets spent much faster and I am sure most aren’t putting money in savings or a 401k!

So what do ya think guys? I can't believe that nobody has an opinion on what street guys should earn for themselves?

Remember that I'm NOT asking what they DO earn, only what you personally feel would be a proper amount for the risk involved. The risk/reward ratio so to speak.

And there are no wrong answers either! It's completely subjective to whatever you feel it should be.

Let me try and make this easier for you ok. What do you think the earn should be for the following categories:

Associate:

Soldier:

Caporegime:

Underboss:

Consigliere:

Family Boss:

I understand that there is a lot of leeway in-between, but at least thats a start.

I think if you stick with gambling, loansharking,vending machines, and other cash intensive businesses as a base,and maybe expand into protection and construction bid-rigging as well as some legit business infiltration,you can take down a good deal of cash.

Stay away from drugs,interstate or international wire fraud,and other major Federal crimes that carry major prison time,and I'm sure that a figure of $100,000 a month would not be too far fetched, assuming you have the drive and street sense.

I also think that a soldier has more potential to earn than an associate, given his Family's backing and the respect he commands on the street given his "made" status.

I factored in the usual "kick-up" percentage,plus general expenses,(bribes,etc.)

With these subjects why dont we pull out our old Transformers and debate who would win a fight between Ultra Magnus and Starscream....

Assuming we're talking about New York-area based LCN, given the cost of living there I would assume that if you're not making $200,000 at least then it isn't worth the effort. Of course, with much of that being tax-free income I assume, it is probably equivalent to a "straight" job that pays $300,000 after tax, and there aren't too many jobs like that out there for street guys, so maybe it's still worth it if you can earn that.

That might seem low compared to other peoples' figures but quite frankly I'm not certain that the average associate or solider is even making that.

I am sure a lot of associates have criminal records from a young age that kept them out of well paying jobs with benefits. So even if they are only making what they would make in a legitimate job, it's a living.

You'd be surprised at how many are putting money in crypto

5% annual cost of living raise should be expected or they should go to HR.

Better yet, perhaps the made guys could form a Union! Teamsters Local 619, Bonanno Family Soldiers

This. In the very early days guys were immigrants or sons of immigrants, they had few options. Later they were brought up in the streets and had records, little education and very few options.

These days? With the massive sentences they face and the level of surveillance that the whole country is under? I dont think there is any amount of money that could justify the decision. Its like saying how much money would you take to put 2 bullets in a revolver, spin the cylinder, put it to your head and pull the trigger? No amount of money.

Ten years from now in America? I think the answer will be very different.

You mean you've never heard of the National Legitimate Businessmen and Gun Club? They meet every other Tuesday " in the alley out back".

I know there are some associates that are coming up that had bad family lives but how smart could these guys really be. The smart ones that possibly went to college became a professional or learned a trade pr got into the housing market or the financial markets can legally making a great life for themselves as opposed to their great grandparents or grandparents. Legalized gambling in the Northeast and now the Midwest is taking a chunk of their action; putting money on the streets will always be there but it is super easy for the average joe to tell the cops if he loses out on a big bet and doesn't want to pay his street loan. I know this doesn't answer your question and I think it is a good one but it is tough to quantify it these days. Think the Eastern Euros are into some great money making scams using the internet today and seeing huge returns

You bring out some very good points Merlino.

You're forgetting that history repeats itself, the feds could become massively underfunded, virtually broke even, and we could see a massive resurgence of organized crime like never before.

There aren't very many $300k a year legitimate jobs to go around, the few people you see with those either lucked out, knew the right people, or sucked the right dick.

Given that the mobsters have criminal record so can made the most well paied jobs,I think that the Silvio Dante case can be a good example: a stripclub as cover for a prostiitution ring and also used for money laundry.

There is no set about, a soldier can earn more than a boss in rare cases. Some make way more than their captains.

Technically a soldier should make more than his captain, since he's the one doing the work while the captain sits on his ass and collects.

spoken like a true hourly plebe

AOC is that you

Sometimes being a gangster is enough for some - think Lefty Two Guns. There are just some people that would live that life no matter what it brought in.

Spoken as a true loser...that’s complete bullshit. Most people that make 300k plus are extremely focused,high intensity,hyper competitive and have extreme work ethics..... Not dick suckers

A lot of captains require they’re people to pay them a monthly stipend no matter how much the solider earns.....Most skippers want theyre soldiers to pay 1 or 2k a month minimum so they’re guaranteed to get money no matter what

No offense but making 300k a year isnt that hard, in fact its pretty easy.

Not for many many people. You seem like a patriotic champion of the American dream, but like George Carlin said, they call it a dream, because you have to be asleep, to believe it. Your blind patriotism is showing, but keep waving that American flag made in China. Sure, for some it is easy, but not so easy that it justifies every criminal to completely give up the criminal life for the legitimate world.

No, they're dick suckers.

Well actually Lefty was a true mobster. If you're joining for the money it's for the wrong reasons. No wonder it's in such sorry ass shape. When you join something like that it's because it's in your heart.

He was talking about a captain in the mob, not some legitimate worker or business person.