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Most powerful crime bosses by country #972701
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Who would be the most powerful bosses throughout the US? What about Italy? From what I have researched, It is likely that Riina was the most powerful boss Italy has ever seen. Feel free to add any other countries.

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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Barbaro_%27ndrina

In Italy definitly the ndrangheta with the Barbaro ndrina,in the ‘ndrangheta it is said that there are only two roads: or born Barbaro or become their ally.Cosa Nostra never rebuilt his power and the Camorra don't have the power to compete.
Mexico:The Sinaloa Cartel with Ismael Zamba aka El Mayo

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Originally Posted by furio_from_naples
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Barbaro_%27ndrina

In Italy definitly the ndrangheta with the Barbaro ndrina,in the ‘ndrangheta it is said that there are only two roads: or born Barbaro or become their ally.Cosa Nostra never rebuilt his power and the Camorra don't have the power to compete.
Mexico:The Sinaloa Cartel with Ismael Zamba aka El Mayo


I thought about the ndrangheta but there are several powerful crime families. Like the Barbaros as you mentioned, Piromallis, De Stefanos, Condellos, Strangios and so on. I wasn’t aware that the Barbaros are the de facto powerhouse of the ndrangheta. The Yakuza would have to be mentioned for the eastern side of the globe.

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Originally Posted by furio_from_naples
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Barbaro_%27ndrina

In Italy definitly the ndrangheta with the Barbaro ndrina,in the ‘ndrangheta it is said that there are only two roads: or born Barbaro or become their ally.Cosa Nostra never rebuilt his power and the Camorra don't have the power to compete.
Mexico:The Sinaloa Cartel with Ismael Zamba aka El Mayo


The Sinaloa cartel appears to be the strongest in Mexico. In the US it is hard to tell as the mob is not quite what it once was here. Canada has the Rizzutos. Safe to Sinaloa cartel is the powerhouse of not only Mexico but North America. Could make the argument that they’re the strongest out there along with the mafia in Italy and Russia.

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Originally Posted by furio_from_naples
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Barbaro_%27ndrina

In Italy definitly the ndrangheta with the Barbaro ndrina,in the ‘ndrangheta it is said that there are only two roads: or born Barbaro or become their ally.Cosa Nostra never rebuilt his power and the Camorra don't have the power to compete.
Mexico:The Sinaloa Cartel with Ismael Zamba aka El Mayo


i don't think barbaro's are stronger than other ndrangheta groups, the strongest are the ones from san luca (nirta/strangio and pelle/vottari)
anyway matteo messina denaro is the most powerful and richest boss in italy

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Strongest 'Ndrangheta groups are from San Luca.


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There are a lot of big players in the underworld that we don't know about.


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dom cefulo or barney b for the lcn in usa

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Originally Posted by Hollander
There are a lot of big players in the underworld that we don't know about.

in the us or in general ?

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Originally Posted by MeyerLansky
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There are a lot of big players in the underworld that we don't know about.

in the us or in general ?


Everywhere


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Originally Posted by Strax
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There are a lot of big players in the underworld that we don't know about.

in the us or in general ?


Everywhere

yes that's true
but in the us people know then in the rest of the world
except maybe the westside

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In the US the power remaining is in New York, but in terms of most powerful, it's gotta be Barney Bellomo now. Head of the Genovese. My guess is Joey Merlino is up there among the other NY bosses as well.

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Originally Posted by MeyerLansky
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There are a lot of big players in the underworld that we don't know about.

in the us or in general ?


Everywhere

yes that's true
but in the us people know then in the rest of the world
except maybe the westside


You have Russian organized crime that are pretty powerful in the US , not much is known about their operations today.


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Denaro is quite possibly the richest criminal figure at the moment. What Ndrangheta boss compares to him? The San Luca bosses? I have heard that they are the base of the ndrangheta as well. I read that the Nirta family is the strongest in the area because Antonio Nirta was named the capo crimine which is almost like having the title boss of all bosses I think. Pesce-Bellocco in Rosarno is very rich too.

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Also, Carmine Alfieri, Michele Zaza, Antonio Bardellino and the Nuvoletta brothers should be mentioned as well because they were some of the richest and most powerful mafiosi in Italy at one time.

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In italy Matteo Messina Denaro can be considerated rich but the Barbaro ndrine was the most powerful especially in north italy and in Australia (a member of the ndrine Robert Trimbole killed the politician against the weeds Donald McKay in 1977,this episode was portrayed in Underbelly tv serie) and had ties even in canada.

In the US you must consider state by state and even city by city: in NY Barney Bellomo while in some part there are the bikers or the gang that are the most powerful. But if I would make a choice I would say that the Mexican cartels and their allies are the most feared and powerful in the whole US territory.

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Originally Posted by Strax


You have Russian organized crime that are pretty powerful in the US , not much is known about their operations today.


Yeah because Russian and Chinese communities have traditionally been closed to law enforcement.


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Originally Posted by FrankValenti
In the US the power remaining is in New York, but in terms of most powerful, it's gotta be Barney Bellomo now. Head of the Genovese. My guess is Joey Merlino is up there among the other NY bosses as well.


Joey Merlino one of the most powerful crime bosses in the US? No I dont think so, he himself doesnt have that much money he uses others. He def is not poor but there are cartel members who operate in the US as well as russian mobsters and top drug importers and dealers who probably have much more money but in terms of actual power merlino might have a little more sway because he controls a larger organization..

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The amount of money that they see in Italy and overseas in general the is the stuff of hedge fund managers here in the US I think. Just seeing how much is seized by the government is mind boggling. And it’s only a fraction of their wealth. Routinely you’ll see hundreds of millions of euros taken away from them but it doesn’t seem to affect them that much.

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Originally Posted by furio_from_naples
In italy Matteo Messina Denaro can be considerated rich but the Barbaro ndrine was the most powerful especially in north italy and in Australia (a member of the ndrine Robert Trimbole killed the politician against the weeds Donald McKay in 1977,this episode was portrayed in Underbelly tv serie) and had ties even in canada.

In the US you must consider state by state and even city by city: in NY Barney Bellomo while in some part there are the bikers or the gang that are the most powerful. But if I would make a choice I would say that the Mexican cartels and their allies are the most feared and powerful in the whole US territory.


i don't think so, messina denaro is by far the richest boss but he's also very powerful, he's the boss of trapani province with 1.000 made members under him and connections everywhere in italy and abroad (europe, usa, venezuela, africa)

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Originally Posted by Revis_Island
The amount of money that they see in Italy and overseas in general the is the stuff of hedge fund managers here in the US I think. Just seeing how much is seized by the government is mind boggling. And it’s only a fraction of their wealth. Routinely you’ll see hundreds of millions of euros taken away from them but it doesn’t seem to affect them that much.



Good point. Seems like the money that is being dealt with over there dwarfs us over here. When we talk about most powerful in terms of the LCN, no one really stands out to me. Everything in this country is so overshadowed by drugs and Chapo has taken more lime light in this country than any mob boss has.

What I will say is based off everything I've read about the guy. I feel like if Cali never got killed, he would of became huge here. Fast forward 10-15 years, if he was still alive and became boss of the Gambinos, he would of been talked about in the same circles as guys like Carlo among other big time historical bosses. He would of been a no brainer as the most powerful in the country.


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In Japan it's still Shinobu Tsukasa he leads since 2005 the Yamaguchi-gumi. He lost some influence however after the big split in the organization a few years ago.


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The amount of money that they see in Italy and overseas in general the is the stuff of hedge fund managers here in the US I think. Just seeing how much is seized by the government is mind boggling. And it’s only a fraction of their wealth. Routinely you’ll see hundreds of millions of euros taken away from them but it doesn’t seem to affect them that much.



Good point. Seems like the money that is being dealt with over there dwarfs us over here. When we talk about most powerful in terms of the LCN, no one really stands out to me. Everything in this country is so overshadowed by drugs and Chapo has taken more lime light in this country than any mob boss has.

What I will say is based off everything I've read about the guy. I feel like if Cali never got killed, he would of became huge here. Fast forward 10-15 years, if he was still alive and became boss of the Gambinos, he would of been talked about in the same circles as guys like Carlo among other big time historical bosses. He would of been a no brainer as the most powerful in the country.


Agreed on Cali. I don’t believe he would’ve enjoyed the success that Carlo did as he really built that family up into a powerhouse and was the ruler during its golden years. When the mafia in Italy did not compare. Now it’s the other way around.

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Originally Posted by m2w
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In italy Matteo Messina Denaro can be considerated rich but the Barbaro ndrine was the most powerful especially in north italy and in Australia (a member of the ndrine Robert Trimbole killed the politician against the weeds Donald McKay in 1977,this episode was portrayed in Underbelly tv serie) and had ties even in canada.

In the US you must consider state by state and even city by city: in NY Barney Bellomo while in some part there are the bikers or the gang that are the most powerful. But if I would make a choice I would say that the Mexican cartels and their allies are the most feared and powerful in the whole US territory.


i don't think so, messina denaro is by far the richest boss but he's also very powerful, he's the boss of trapani province with 1.000 made members under him and connections everywhere in italy and abroad (europe, usa, venezuela, africa)


Simeon Mogilevich might have more power and could be richer but we don’t really know. He has been involved in money laundering schemes worth $5-10 billion. I know that Denaro’s frontman was arrested and $1.5 billion worth of assets were taken from him. Do you know how much of that would have personally belonged to Denaro? I am sure that it was just a fraction of his fortune as well but we only know what’s documented unfortunately.

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from messina denaro frontmen were seized assets worth 5 billions in total, anyway i was talking of italy i dont know about mogilevich, he could be richer although i doubt it

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Piromallis are very rich...

I was about to disagree about the Barbaros, but then you see Ciments post about the meth bust in Australia and well..... They might have the most profit potential.. the Aussies also produce thier own weed, and a few years ago there was the record extacy bust, kilos of coke are like 100 grand.... Shit, they could be.....


Dimaria was very rich, I have no idea what clan hes boss of.

The Commisos gotta be filthy, Aquinos, Romeos...

The Polverinos had a billion dollar hash business...

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Piromallis are very rich...

I was about to disagree about the Barbaros, but then you see Ciments post about the meth bust in Australia and well..... They might have the most profit potential.. the Aussies also produce thier own weed, and a few years ago there was the record extacy bust, kilos of coke are like 100 grand.... Shit, they could be.....


Dimaria was very rich, I have no idea what clan hes boss of.

The Commisos gotta be filthy, Aquinos, Romeos...

The Polverinos had a billion dollar hash business...



Don't forger the Cuntrera-Caruana , extremely powerful and rich. Also the Guttadauro's


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Piromallis are very rich...

I was about to disagree about the Barbaros, but then you see Ciments post about the meth bust in Australia and well..... They might have the most profit potential.. the Aussies also produce thier own weed, and a few years ago there was the record extacy bust, kilos of coke are like 100 grand.... Shit, they could be.....


Dimaria was very rich, I have no idea what clan hes boss of.

The Commisos gotta be filthy, Aquinos, Romeos...

The Polverinos had a billion dollar hash business...



Don't forger the Cuntrera-Caruana , extremely powerful and rich. Also the Guttadauro's


There were some myths about cuntrera-caruana. Something about them owning islands among other things but many of the claims were said to be exaggerated. I think the Corleonesi under Riina could’ve been richer.

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Originally Posted by m2w
from messina denaro frontmen were seized assets worth 5 billions in total, anyway i was talking of italy i dont know about mogilevich, he could be richer although i doubt it


I see an article saying that in total he has had $1.5 billion seized but I do not doubt your knowledge. His net worth is listed on a website as $4.9 billion so I am assuming that they’re going off of the assets seized that you are referring to. If Denaro really has that money at his disposal then there could be a chance that he’s one of the richest men in the world, forget about the criminal world. Unfortunately for him, he can never go legit at this point

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CabriniGreen Polverino clan stills controls the hashish traffic from Morocco the broker Raffaele Vallefuoco was captured over there some days ago.


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