Do you remember Charlie moose in that Las Vegas lawyers documentary (the one that came from philly). He came across like a nice old man. You wouldn’t guess he’s a stone cold gangster. Wasn’t he banished in the end by Carmine then returned to the fold eventually? Did Carmine use the fact he treated his guys badly as the main reason?

Interesting stuff zav.

And I think this is the doc - https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=j03S9Rif0uM

He also has an aggressive argument with a fed who was vexed that Oscar got the mobsters off charges in many occasions as he was such a good lawyer. He was tony Spilotro long term lawyer as well as Charlie moose and a ton of wiseguys

Charles Panarella was a pretty brutal guy. He had his own crew in the Colombo's. Many of his men complained to Persico on how aggressive he was towards them.

He was very intimidating and would walk the streets at night with bunc id in the of his men. There was a taped conversation of Joel Cacace in 2001 saying that Panarella was old but could cut a **** tongue out at any second.

He was responsible for murder of Mimi Scialo and also the murder of two of Scialo's guys who were shotgunned outside a bar.

He was definitely feared by many. Supposily Greg Scarpa was in his crew.

He had a club on New Utrecht Ave, in Bensonhurst, I worked at a deli a few blocks away.

He was always fighting, arguing abusing someone. No one in the neighborhood really liked him. He was so NASTY.

One of my friends we were teenagers did something stupid outside his club he made such a big deal about it, that he had to go to his uncle who was Rudy Ferrone, from the Decav's had to go to Charlie's club and talk with him. Another time Charlie got into a shouting match with an associate from Teddy Persico's crew, the crew member was a SHOOTER, however, he had to stand there basically and get yelled at by Charlie, because he couldn't put his hands on a made guy or he was a dead man. Charlie used to keep his joker poker machines in the basement of the deli, one time the owner of the deli let con-ed in the basement to read the meters, WHOA did CHARLIE flip his CORK. " YOU DO NOT LET ANYONE IN, that is NOT your basement, that is MY BASEMENT"

Yes even though he was only Decav, he got alot of respect.

I know he had a couple of bodies under his belt and it was k own I think that's why.

As i said before, Sicilian Mafia is much more brutal. Leoluca Bagarella is top spot for sure, he was involved in around 100-150 murders


Filippo Marchese, he was running "Room of death" together with Bagarella.

I have heard this before. What about the Camorra and Ndrangheta as well? I have also heard that in Italy they earned more money too.

You can't really compare the money they earn, this is from Matteo Messina Denaro alone:

In January 2010, police seized construction companies, villas, shops and vehicles worth some 550 million euros from a western Sicilian construction magnate, Rosario Cascio, believed to be one of the main bankrollers and money launderers for Messina Denaro. Together with 700 million euros in assets taken from supermarket magnate Giuseppe Grigoli at the end of 2008 and 200 million euros from construction tycoon Francesco Pecora in November 2009.

In September 2010, police seized a record amount of assets worth 1.5 billion euros from a Sicilian businessman Vito Nicastri accused of working with Messina Denaro. He had invested in wind and solar energy sources, as a way of laundering money.

'Ndrangheta and Sicilian Mafia have strong connections to masonic lodges, which helps them to infiltrate basically anything.

As i said before, Sicilian Mafia is much more brutal. Leoluca Bagarella is top spot for sure, he was involved in around 100-150 murders


Filippo Marchese, he was running "Room of death" together with Bagarella.