Where do you guys think the Organized Crime groups makes the most money in Europe.. In what country?

Personally i think Germany.

in germany there are not strong local groups and also they are involved only in stuff like drugs or robberies
there are not tons of other lucrative crimes like extortions, public works, waste disposal, fruit and vegetables markets like in italy where organized crime controls everythings

The question is unanswerable.



Strongly disagree...

But you cannot compare between Italy and Germany. They are two different things. Different culture and distinctions how you act. But in both country you will find a lot OC groups/networks.

German Media/newspaper never understood OC. They have two sample articels. One about the good old time and the other about bad foreign nationals come to us and took over.
Both kinds more or less bullshit.

Another point " makes the most money" and profitably are complete different things.

Maybe you control a drug place, get 100000 a week. Your have 5 group members. Nice.
But total different if you had 25. So my guessing is Germany, Austria, UK had smaller groups.

In the USA a lot gangbangers receive less than minimum wage.

The drug business in the Netherlands is incredible. Weed, hashish, ecstasy, speed, cocaine, heroin all worth tens of billions.

Not like they keep records of it , but obviously they are making most money where they are most powerful so its Italy & Russia.

@strax

If there were only one "russian mafia" you would be right. But a local sibiria group dreams of the profits of a company like Kinahan Cartel, Holleeder's Crew, serbian Mafia in complete Westeuropean.....and the list goes on.

Another point some russian steal money from the russian gov and transfer to london. Now the start money laundering and fraud in UK, Spain or Germany's real estate market. So you cannot accounting profit to one country. So the question is not helpfull.

in germany there are not strong local groups, there are several gangs (mostly foreign) but there is not any powerful one
in italy the 4 major mafias combined earn billions over billions

m2w

As i write you can't italy and germany compare with each other.

But believe me a __ Hannover/frankfurt chapter make (in his best times) more money as average ndrina.

Frankfurt is a good example for some strong "local groups" with political connection. East germany had a lot unwritten storys.



Another example

Since "70/80's waste disposal was a business in whicht a close relationship between Italian groups and german intermediary (sometimes high officials). So talk we about german or italian "money"? The question make no sense.

Solntsevskaya and Izmailovskaya been in Europe for long time, mostly laundering money but also in the 90's they had people from their controlled brigade Kurganskaya in Netherlands for example working with people from Russian crime groups originating in Latvia, involved in different errands. If you ask me, Kinahan cartel are middle school choir boys compared to such groups as Solntsevskaya.


In Germany the biggest crime groups are bikers, such as Hells Angels, then various Turkish crime groups which are strongly based there as well. I've heard there are some Italian crews operating there, but what exactly they do there I have no idea.

We are not talking about single group here ,but organized crime as whole . Organized crime in Italy and Russia is most powerful in Europe.

There are italians operating in Germany ,they do have lucrative rackets there , but you can't compare that to Italy where they have control of everything ,money they earn is insane

bikers in germany are not even close to what they are in canada soi don't see like a chapter in hannover or frankfurt earns more than a ndrina or any italian family in italy that is by far more diversified (not just drugs and robberies, but tons of other business, extortions, eu funds, gambling, construction, waste disposal, food industry etc.) and that litterally control everythings in the territory

If you only look to criminal investments and money laundering places like London and Spain are at the top and of course several tax havens like Switzerland, Malta, Cyprus, Jersey, Luxembourg etc..