Montreal’s mafia were once the top organized crime group in the province of Quebec. But since the italian mafia war, Quebec’s Hells Angels are now the top organized crime group in the province.

For now, the mafia is weak, compare to the bikers. But, in the future, if the mob become strong again, do ya’ll think their could be conflicts?? Supposely, some mobs members pay street tax to bikers. If the mob become strong again, would they still pay street taxes?? And if the bikers don’t want to change how things are right now?

Why would the mafia go to war with the bikers? The two work together, without the mafia, the bikers don't have drugs to distribute.

I can however see them taking sides that interest their benefits. Back then the Rizzuto alliance made sense, now? I think they're waiting to see who comes out on top.

Even if the Hell's Angels are more sophistichated than the average biker club,the mafia had more connections and many people including the big drug cartels prefer to deal with the mob that with a street punks plus the mob had connection with police and politicians.Even if the rizzutos is weak would be useless for the bikers to declare war when they can easly made more money working together.

Even if the Hell's Angels are more sophistichated than the average biker club,the mafia had more connections and many people including the big drug cartels prefer to deal with the mob that with a street punks plus the mob had connection with police and politicians.Even if the rizzutos is weak would be useless for the bikers to declare war when they can easly made more money working together.

A mobster that pay a street tax to biker?Impossible,that would be a great offence for his reputation.

Exactly, maybe some loose associate that bounces around might give a tax, but definitely not high ranking associates or made guys; anyone really close to the mob or actually in it.

https://www.journaldemontreal.com/2016/11/19/les-hells-imposent-une-taxe-de-10

Today, the Hells manage the entire criminal market in the province. They make a lot of money. Even the Italian mafia, destabilized by police operations and internal conflicts, pays them their cut (royalty), "added another source familiar with the underworld.

This is why I wonder, because I never taught a member of the mob would pay some taxes to a biker club.

https://www.voiceonline.com/ontario-spillover-effect/

Hells Angels and the Mafia battle it out in Ontario, but no spillover effect in B.C. yet

In Ontario. I don’t know if we could call that a Mob vs Hells war, or more like a melting-pot

Blackmobs can you post the entire article ? Because the site say that in my region I can't read the article.

The bikers and the Mafia work together to set the price of drugs being sold.

If the bikers ever want to go on their own they would fail. For example the Ndrangheta,with its power and connections to drug markets ,can easily under cut them.They would not need the bikers. I find the thought of taxing the mafia to be absurd. The mafia can also sell the drugs at a cheaper price to other street gangs . Street gangs will turn against the bikers and they would be easy targets.

The Hells impose a 10% tax
Two bikers have been victims of attempted murder for having stopped paying the "HST"

Having regained control of the drug market in Quebec, the Hells Angels are ruthless to those who want to do business without paying the weekly 10% "sales tax" imposed by the bikers.
Revived by the Sharqc fishtail end in court and the release from prison of most of its members, the powerful criminal gang does not hear laughter with the application of what might be called his "HST" - for "Hells Sales Tax".
As proof, the police believe that the two main leaders of the deceased Ontario chapter Nomads des Hells, Martin Bernatchez and Philippe "Crazy" Boudreault, were shot at because they no longer paid royalties to their "brothers" in Quebec, learned The Journal.

Boudreault, a former Olympic boxer who was vice-president of the Ontario Nomads, is still confined to a wheelchair since a gun projectile burst lodged near his spine on April 16 last, in Lachute.
Bernatchez, the president of the same chapter, survived three bullets that hit him at the L'EstriVal campsite - formerly known as Tropicana - in the middle of the night of August 12 in Granby.

No competition
Founded 15 years ago by several former Rock Machine Quebecers after the biker war, the Ontario Nomads chapter was finally dissolved in September.
However, it was the same section that, on the ground, lent a helping hand to the Quebec Hells to keep the drug trade afloat while the majority of these were incarcerated after Operation SharQc in 2009.
"Currently, there is no criminal organization that has the capacity to confront the Hells in Quebec. They have taken their place, "said a police source.
The police do not rule out that "defaults" of this tax are the cause of some murders related to organized crime this year.
No tax, no sale
When traffickers' networks are not run by the Hells, they systematically receive 10% of the revenues of other groups operating on what they consider to be "their" territory.
"You're allowed to sell only if you pay the tax," investigator Roger Ferland of the Regional Joint Organized Crime Squad (ERM) told the trial of a trafficker at the courthouse of Quebec, in 2014.



According to our information, the narcotics market can currently generate monthly profits of $ 100,000 for the most successful Hells Angels.
"Today, the Hells manage the entire criminal market in the province. They make a lot of money. Even the Italian mafia, destabilized by police operations and internal conflicts, pays them their cut (royalty), "added another source familiar with the underworld.
Millions of cash
Although the Hells are trying to infiltrate the legal economy and diversify their activities, drug trafficking remains their main source of income, said Sgt. Alain Belleau of the Sûreté du Québec before the Charbonneau Commission.
The current quantity of white powder currently on the Quebec narcotics market is unknown.
But as an indication, the SQ estimated that at the time of the police operation Printemps 2001, it sold not less than 11.5 kg of cocaine and 3 kg of hashish per day, in the province, and that Mauritius " Mom "Boucher and the other Nomads pocketed $ 6 million each month.

In Montreal, the Crips would probably be with the bikers and not the mob. Since the Hells Angels and the Crips have a long history.

http://www.lapresse.ca/actualites/j...es-hells-angels-ont-detrone-la-mafia.php

Organized crime: the Hells Angels have dethroned the mafia

The Hells Angels are now at the very top of the organized crime pyramid in Quebec.

They have dethroned the mafia, which has occupied this place for more than 30 years, while the police have found in recent months that, in certain circumstances at least, chieftains have had to pay rebates of several thousand dollars to bikers for get the right to operate their business in the territories of these, revealed police sources to La Presse.

These same sources do not observe the same movement for the benefit of the mafia which has, for the moment, no leaders who stand out.

"We no longer see any odds rising to the leaders of the mafia. All we see are ratings that go up to the bikers and even from the Italians. "

An informant

Such a portrait would have been unimaginable in the beautiful days of Vito Rizzuto, where the godfather, respected throughout the criminal world, ruled with an iron fist at the very top of the organized crime pyramid in Quebec.

One year to the day after Operation Magot-Mastiff of the Sûreté du Québec, which decapitated the Alliance - mafia-bikers-street gangs - this structure set up by Vito Rizzuto, first to protect his rear during of his return to Montreal in 2012, then to resume his title of godfather and keep control, no longer exists.

The natural death of the godfather in December 2013 torpedoed the Sicilian clan. The Magot-Mastiff strike was another blow, so much so that the weakened and disorganized mafia gave way to the Hells Angels, which became the number one criminal organization in Quebec since the SharQc trial ended abruptly and the release of dozens of members in good standing, we were told.

According to our sources, organized crime in Quebec is currently controlled by the Hells Angels, who are setting up a "superstructure" guided by "a committee of decision makers" that the police place at the very top of the pyramid.

NEW BRUNSWICK AND ONTARIO

According to our information, this committee of decision makers would consist of Mario Brouillette - who has yet officially announced his withdrawal from the Hells Angels -, the member in good standing of Montreal Martin Robert and the brothers Sylvain and François Vachon, of the group of five irreducibles who benefited from a stay of proceedings in the SharQc trial in October 2015.

In addition to this committee of decision-makers, the Hells Angels have a lieutenant in each of the regions of Quebec and count on several school clubs, of which about 160 members, according to a police assessment, have been observed acting directly for the "big club". The Hells Angels have also joined forces with the 80 members now at large in the three active sections, Montreal, Trois-Rivières and South.

"Even though they have three sections, they decided to work together. Trois-Rivières, Montreal and South, it could be a single chapter. The territories are all mixed. "

- A source

Our informants estimate that thanks to this superstructure, the Quebec Hells Angels control at least 80% of all Quebec, including territories of Montreal formerly under the control of the mafia, extended their tentacles in New Brunswick and increased their influence in Ontario.

Officials of the Regional Mixed Squads (ERM) of the Sûreté du Québec, who have the mandate to fight motorcyclists, refused to comment on the information obtained by La Presse.

"The Hells Angels have been a fixture in the organized crime scene in Quebec for almost 40 years. The fight against organized crime remains a priority for us and our partners. "

- Guy Lapointe, captain of the SQ

While the Hells Angels are at the top of their game, the Montreal mafia has no real leader since Operation Magot-Mastiff and the consecutive murders of three major members of the Rizzuto clan in 2016, say our sources.

COLLABORATION WITH MAFIA

The reign of the Sicilians seems over and the Mafia Table of Management, set up after the natural death of Vito Rizzuto in December 2013 and to which the various clans were to pay their taxes, is dissolved.

The police do not rule out, however, that the Montreal mafia can once again have its godfather or a leader one day, and families in Toronto and even Italy have a say in the choice that will be made.

Despite the upheaval in the organization chart of organized crime in Quebec, there is no animosity between bikers and mafiosi, even as individuals from both groups rub shoulders regularly and work together, according to our sources, making the line that separates Hells Angels and mafia more and more diffuse.

At first the Crips will back the bikers because of the long history but when the profit margins will be cut because other rival gangs can get drugs at a cheaper price they will turn on the bikers. Look what happened in Montreal, Sergio Piccirilli turned on the Rizzuto's because of the taxing and so did Desjardins against Montagna. Again the Mafia will never pay tax it is a ridiculous idea. The mafia has more connections than the bikers. I do not think the bikers are that stupid to do that.

Bikers alwayd made better deals with street gangs than the mob did.

Thats why gangs that arr near bikers strong hold are more organized than street gangs that are near mafia strong hold.

Also, Rizzuto was the one that made gang member do deals with street gangs, but theirs some mobsters that are still old school and don’t want nothing to do with blacks.

But, I think it will depend on mobster in their 40s.
Those Italians grew up with Haitians in neighborhoods like St-Leonard and Rivie-des-Praires.

the article didn't say mafia members pay tax to the hells, it just said some groups pay 10%, mafia is stronger than hells it has political connections, it infiltrated public works, not just street stuff like bikers

For the bikers asking for some mobsters to pay taxes, I also have a hard time believing that, but the hells angels in Quebec are really but really well connected. They don’t need the mob to get there drugs now.

Quebec’s hells angels is really like the french-canadian mafia. They are in everything.

There will probably never be a war. But, if the Montreal mob, become a almost as strong, like when Rizzuto was in charge, there could be some big tension at first.

Ils ont détrôné la mafia, qui occupait cette place depuis plus de 30 ans, alors que les policiers ont constaté ces derniers mois que, dans certaines circonstances du moins, des chefs de clan ont dû verser des ristournes de plusieurs milliers de dollars aux motards pour obtenir le droit d'exploiter leur commerce sur les territoires de ces derniers, ont révélé des sources policières à La Presse.

Ces mêmes sources n'observent pas le même mouvement au profit de la mafia qui n'a, pour le moment, pas de chefs qui se démarquent.

« On ne voit plus aucune cote qui monte aux chefs de la mafia. Tout ce que l'on voit, ce sont des cotes qui montent aux motards et qui proviennent même des Italiens. »

- Un informateur

In french, I tried to translate with google traduction, but it translate, chefs de clan by chieftains, but it more like clan boss.

For your information, I do not know if you noticed but there are more and more Italians becoming biker members..

Many Hells Angels in B.C are Italian, Montreal has Cazzetta and Brunetti, Devils Ghost have a few and so do the Head Hunters.

Why do you think that is ?

Bikers always had italians in their ranks. Well in Quebec.
Cazzetta and his brother were always bikers. Since the 80s, maybe even before.
The Quebec biker scene is more diverse than the one in the US. Hells Angels in Quebec also have natives in their ranks. Puppets clubs even have many black members.
Supposely Casper Ouinet even talk about the fact that the Syndicates wanted to be official Hells Angels, but it was denied because of Hells politics.

I think, it was because of the prison politic in the US.

Yeah lol since when the mob pay to some biker gang tax money ?!

I didn’t invent that, the articles of Journal de Montreal and La Presse are saying that.
Personally, I don’t think its the made men, but mostly associates.

You mean independent drug dealers on the streets big difference than the mafia. Mafia associates to not pay tax either.

The mafia are partner with angels in the drug trade,that it,the mobsters simply give the angels part of profits. Even if the mob in quebec is in decline, had more connections with cops and politicans that the angels won't dare to try to tax them,the low level associates and the indipendent drug dealers for sure but not the real mobsters.