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Saviano call Salvini "Minister of the Mafia" #944523
06/22/18 07:12 AM
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Here a video of Roberto Saviano that was the only man in Italy that had the balls to say what Salvini and his party really made and his connections with the ndrangheta;here is what he said:

Salvini, do you think I'm happy to live this way for eleven years? More than eleven, I've been under escort since I was 26, but you think you're threatening me, intimidating me? In these years I have been under enormous pressure, the pressure of the Casalesi clan, of the Mexican narcos, I am more afraid to live that way than to die.
So, do you think I can be afraid of you?
Buffoon!
Salvini have as enemies the immigrants, have as enemies the people of Southern Italy, insulted a moment before going to ask the votes, have as enemies the Rom, and says "Well, we must keep only those with Italian citizenship".I am happy to be among his enemies, I am happy to be added to the last people that he hates, and on which he makes political propaganda, theater, without giving any real answer.

Salvini is today defined as "Minister of the Mafia" expression coined by Gaetano Salvemini.Salvini was elected in Calabria, during one of his rallies in Rosarno among the first rows there were men of the Pesce family of Rosarno an historical ndrina, affiliated to the Bellocco Family, a powerful organization of drug traffickers, he did not say anything!From coward as he is, did not say anything against the Ndrangheta, said Rosarno is known worldwide for its slums, that's his problem! a fief of the Ndrangheta for decades!
This is Matteo Salvini, who does not remember the links between the Ndrangheta and the Northern League of the money laundering, through the mediation of Ndrangheta, the Lega Nord did, and so Salvini talks about money, Italians must know how money is spent.
Salvini does not tell us where are the 50 millions of the maxi scam that the Lega has made with the electoral repayments to the Italian republic. The Lega of salvini returns the money it took and then the minister talks about the money that Italians must know how it is was spent.
I read the hashtag # SavianoNonSiTocca on social media, I thank those who are giving me solidarity, I have no intention of becoming a sacrificial lamb.
I want to defend my life, try - for what I can - to be happy. I have no desire to become a martyr, I have no desire to die to prove ... what?
Life is too important. Today we need to dialogue, not with Salvini but with those who support him with those who voted him. It is necessary to dialogue with those who, like me, at this moment, realize that the situation is serious, final.
Please, you really want to continue to give voice, to support, a figure that does nothing but threaten, to propagate lies, to arm in every way, hate and contempt,this is not our republic.
Let's remove to matteo salvini, remove to the the minister of the mafia, the possibility of continuing to arm hate and disproof, continue to say perennially lies, who does not do it now, who does not take part now, will be forever guilty.

Re: Saviano call Salvini "Minister of the Mafia" [Re: furio_from_naples] #944547
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salvini is just an idiot and a racist, saviano did the right thing

Re: Saviano call Salvini "Minister of the Mafia" [Re: m2w] #944585
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Salvini may be imperfect, perhaps his past corrupt. But if he can turn the tide against the migrant invasion, bring an end to the malfeasance of the ngo's, and deport 500,000 invaders, if necessary by brutal force ----> if he can succeed in this, he will be a hero for all the ages, for Italy, for Europd

Once the War Against the Migrant Invaders is won, then the North & South of Italy can go their separate ways. But all issues pale into insignificance in light of the migrant invasion. This is a political question of the highest order. The only question that really matters

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Originally Posted by dominic_calabrese
Salvini may be imperfect, perhaps his past corrupt. But if he can turn the tide against the migrant invasion, bring an end to the malfeasance of the ngo's, and deport 500,000 invaders, if necessary by brutal force ----> if he can succeed in this, he will be a hero for all the ages, for Italy, for Europd

Once the War Against the Migrant Invaders is won, then the North & South of Italy can go their separate ways. But all issues pale into insignificance in light of the migrant invasion. This is a political question of the highest order. The only question that really matters

I know some people on this board are right-winged and that the issue of refugees is complicated, but why would you call that a invasion? Those refugees are homeless people seeking for a way to live, share your country with them is not something so hard to do. Besides, Countries like Italy and Germany are always the destination for migration and its not a bad deal considering you get all those cheap labours.

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It is an invasion absolutely. We are talking about REPLACEMENT LEVELS of immigration. MOREOVER, most of these people end up draining the welfare system. There is very little demand for cheap, unskilled labor in the West. And so they end up on the welfare rolls, with all their wives and children. The African and Muslim birthrates dwarf the indigenous birth rates. Most manufacturing has moved to China and similar places. You should know this Mr Chen. In fact, please tell me Mr Chen, why do Japan and China admit so few immigrants. Why is it only the supposed moral duty of the West?

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In response to Saviano’s criticism, Salvini told state TV that the authorities would “evaluate whether he runs any risk” and then possibly withdraw the round-the-clock protection he has been receiving for the past 12 years.


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Re: Saviano call Salvini "Minister of the Mafia" [Re: dominic_calabrese] #944654
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Originally Posted by dominic_calabrese
It is an invasion absolutely. We are talking about REPLACEMENT LEVELS of immigration. MOREOVER, most of these people end up draining the welfare system. There is very little demand for cheap, unskilled labor in the West. And so they end up on the welfare rolls, with all their wives and children. The African and Muslim birthrates dwarf the indigenous birth rates. Most manufacturing has moved to China and similar places. You should know this Mr Chen. In fact, please tell me Mr Chen, why do Japan and China admit so few immigrants. Why is it only the supposed moral duty of the West?


Many of the refugees had parents in an another European country or dont want to stay intaltmy but the other European contries used and using italy as enormous camp. If you give the opportunity, two thirds of the refugees will go out of italy.

This is not an invasione like was not an invasion all the Europeans that lande on the US in the 1800s.

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Originally Posted by dominic_calabrese
It is an invasion absolutely. We are talking about REPLACEMENT LEVELS of immigration. MOREOVER, most of these people end up draining the welfare system. There is very little demand for cheap, unskilled labor in the West. And so they end up on the welfare rolls, with all their wives and children. The African and Muslim birthrates dwarf the indigenous birth rates. Most manufacturing has moved to China and similar places. You should know this Mr Chen. In fact, please tell me Mr Chen, why do Japan and China admit so few immigrants. Why is it only the supposed moral duty of the West?

First, China didnt reject immigrants, there is simply not many people want to move into the country. China lacks a social welfare system thus is not attractive for immigrants. But even under this circumstance GuangZhou has already became a immigration city with more than six hundred thousand African immigrants.Secondly, the differentiation between normal immigrants and refugees should be emphasized. Refugees come to Italy because they are homeless and no where else to go, similar things happened in 1990s when Yugoslavia conflicts came out. It turned out refugees either went back to their homeland or integrated into local communities.
No the western countries has a huge demand for cheap labours, every material superiority in the west build upon the basis of cheap labour manufacturing in developing countries, and yet you refuse to share your living condition with some people need help. Besides, just as Furio said, if given opportunity, refugees are not likely going to stay in Italy.
Im not going to judge your concern about the pressure refugees brought on the social welfare system to be right or wrong. For me, the treatment of refugees can be reconsidered but it isn`t right to simply deport them. You are feeding them to poverty and death.

Re: Saviano call Salvini "Minister of the Mafia" [Re: furio_from_naples] #944662
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In reply to Furio, the Europeans must have solidarity among themselves. This is why Salvini is so potentially important a figure. If he can succeed in deporting 500,000 Muslims out of Italy, it will embolden France and Germany to do the same. Western Europe as a whole is being invaded. It is warfare by other means. Demographic warfare, the replacement of the indigenous populations. The solution is not to stop the migrant invasion of Italy only to see it shift to Spain or France. Rather, the solution is to stop the migration invasion once and for all, and to then repatriate these people back to where they came from

Italy has had a remarkably consistent genetic make-up for the last 3000 years. She is an ancient and noble country who deserves to survive. The population of the global south, especially Africa, is exploding. Unless we enforce our borders and police our seas, we will simply be overwhelmed demographically and our populations and civilizations will be utterly transformed.

Our moral duty is not to the global south. Our duty is to our ancestors and to future generations. This is the essential purpose of any moral-political state.

As for America in the 1500s, 1600s 1700s, 1800s -- this was a case of warfare by conquest aided by disease. Europeans conquered America. Today, Europe is being betrayed by treasonous elites, elite NGOs, elite policy-makers, elite multinational corporations seeking to destroy the solidarity of the European working classes, and elite multinationals destroying traditional economies and agriculture everywhere. Europe is not being conquered outright. Rather, Europe is being systematically betrayed by its elites. But the outcome will be the same as suffered by American Indians unless radical & resolute measures are taken soon.

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Originally Posted by SimonChen
Originally Posted by dominic_calabrese
It is an invasion absolutely. We are talking about REPLACEMENT LEVELS of immigration. MOREOVER, most of these people end up draining the welfare system. There is very little demand for cheap, unskilled labor in the West. And so they end up on the welfare rolls, with all their wives and children. The African and Muslim birthrates dwarf the indigenous birth rates. Most manufacturing has moved to China and similar places. You should know this Mr Chen. In fact, please tell me Mr Chen, why do Japan and China admit so few immigrants. Why is it only the supposed moral duty of the West?

First, China didnt reject immigrants, there is simply not many people want to move into the country. China lacks a social welfare system thus is not attractive for immigrants. But even under this circumstance GuangZhou has already became a immigration city with more than six hundred thousand African immigrants.Secondly, the differentiation between normal immigrants and refugees should be emphasized. Refugees come to Italy because they are homeless and no where else to go, similar things happened in 1990s when Yugoslavia conflicts came out. It turned out refugees either went back to their homeland or integrated into local communities.
No the western countries has a huge demand for cheap labours, every material superiority in the west build upon the basis of cheap labour manufacturing in developing countries, and yet you refuse to share your living condition with some people need help. Besides, just as Furio said, if given opportunity, refugees are not likely going to stay in Italy.
Im not going to judge your concern about the pressure refugees brought on the social welfare system to be right or wrong. For me, the treatment of refugees can be reconsidered but it isn`t right to simply deport them. You are feeding them to poverty and death.


In fact SimonChen,plus the europa is a democracy while the China is a socialist dictatorship and in japan that is already overpopulated but has problems of racism (for example many Koreans or the Ainu aka the indigenous people of Hokkaido are still very discriminated, even if they are Asians)how would an African be treated?
But the question is:what are they running from?
by famine, wars, dictatorships they run away becausein this way have a chance to live than a certain death.

Re: Saviano call Salvini "Minister of the Mafia" [Re: SimonChen] #944666
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In reply to SimonChen, I would reply that China is ruled by an elite that has the long-term interests of the Han Chinese at heart.

As for GuangZhou, see this article here = https://www.straitstimes.com/asia/east-asia/crackdown-shakes-little-africa-community-in-guangzhou

Moreover, even if there is a somewhat sizeable African community in China, they will never be legally recognized as citizens of China. The Chinese as not so foolish as to deem a child born to African parents in China as Chinese by virtue of his birth on the magical soil.

Even further, the Africans at this stage pose no demographic threat to the Chinese. There are over 1 billion Han Chinese in China, and another half billion of related ethnic groups. The demographic situation in Europe is entirely different.

Finally, Mr Chen gives away the game when he remarks that China has no welfare state that immigrants would find attractive. The welfare states of the West are already sinking in mountains of debt. And yet we continue to believe we can simply welcome and support more migrants, millions upon millions. At what point do we say, Enough is enough?

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Originally Posted by dominic_calabrese
Invaders is won, then the North & South of Italy can go their separate ways.


The Mezzogiorno would be a failed state without the North.


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In reply to Furio -- In many cases the Africans who leave Africa, much as the Indians who leave the subcontinent, are relatively well-off compared with their brethren. This is how they can afford to leave their countries in the first place. But rather than build and contribute to their own countries, they prefer to subvert, sponge-off, and eventually take over ours.

And to the extent that Africans are fleeing famine or any such destitution, wouldn't it make sense for them to control their birth rates. Our birth rates are falling drastically, their birth rates are exploding. Ah, I see, we should simply let them replace us. This is our moral duty. On the contrary, this is suicide and a betrayal of our forefathers.

Further, how is Europe a democracy on the most crucial questions? What question could be more important than the demographic transformation of a people? And yet, when were the people of any European country allowed to vote on mass immigration. Never. This has been a revolution imposed from above, by traitorous elites, against the deep-seated wishes of the people

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Originally Posted by Hollander
Originally Posted by dominic_calabrese
Invaders is won, then the North & South of Italy can go their separate ways.


The Mezzogiorno would be a failed state without the North.


This is a complicated question. The Mezzogiorno was not doing nearly so poorly under Bourbon rule. I mention the separation of North & South Italy only because I am of Calabrian descent, and I realize that Salvini has no love for Calabrians. I view Salvini as a potential hero despite this fact. A hero for Italy, a hero for Europe.

Perhaps the solution for the Mezzogiorno is regional autonomy within a reconfigured European state (i.e., the EU "after" the current EU collapses). Moreover, perhaps the land could be reinvigorated by a back migration of Italian-Americans to the old country.

The sine qua non for the Mezzogiorno is of course the eradication of the mafia

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because I am of Calabrian descent, and I realize that Salvini has no love for Calabrians


salvini hates southern italians as the african immigrants, northern italians hated the southerners in the past even more they hate foreign immigrants today, and they still hate southerners
of course salvini party had connecions with the ndrangheta and it is at the government now so he can't blame southern italians so much

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It is an invasion. They are the healthiest looking refugees anyone has ever seen. They got off boats in Greece and were taking selfies, playing soccer, after which they marched through miles and miles of Europe, often charging past police trying to document them as they came in. Suadi Arabia is right next to their home nations, yet Saudi Arabia refused to take them. Since the Saudi's are Muslim and Arabic, as are the so called refugees, are the Saudi's racist? No they are smart, and saw this for what it is, an invasion of Europe.

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Re: Saviano call Salvini "Minister of the Mafia" [Re: Hollander] #944743
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Originally Posted by Hollander
Originally Posted by dominic_calabrese
Invaders is won, then the North & South of Italy can go their separate ways.


The Mezzogiorno would be a failed state without the North.


The North Italy would be a failed state without the Mezzogiorno.After the 1861 the flourishing industries of the south were destroyed and over the years without the millions of people of the south as laborers in factories the north would not have been industrialized. Still today the companies in the north pay the underworld to dispose of toxic waste and many young people go to the north to do doctors, teachers, etc.
An indipendent south without the North? Would be the best for us.

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It's leaving everyone speechless the unusual picture that has been circulating on the net for a few days. Interior Minister Matteo Salvini is smiling alongside Salvatore Annacondia, the boss of the bloodiest criminal organization in northern Bari in the 1980s.
The face of Manomozza, this is his nickname, has been pixellated to safeguard his new life for years under different identity. Affiliated to Cosa Nostra and confessed to 72 murders, he has been a collaborator of justice since 1991, when, as he said, his wife Giusy had told him during a meeting in the Foggia prison that his son was dying because of him. Since then he has changed his name, he no longer lives in Trani and he did not know anything until the sudden appearance of this photo.

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Salvini has my support for turning away the refugees

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My ancestors helped settle San Ferdinando, so I took particular interest in Salvini's tour of the migrant camp outside the town =

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SNOPsuEKc6E&t=726s

And this is an article on how San Ferdinando was drained (the area was a highly fertile but malaria-ridden swamp) and settled in the mid-1800s by peasant farmers from the villages of Mount Poro =

http://www.tropeamagazine.it/sanferdinando/

It is very sad to see what has become of it today, partly because of the mafia, partly because of the migrants


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