Hi guys I'm trying to do a DeMeo Crew Hits List,accurate as is possible,give that the demeo crew members still alive won't say the exact numbers of the people killed; so this list is a work in progress,and any help is accepted.

July 29 ,1973 - Paul Rothenberg is shot to death by Gambino associate Roy DeMeo
June 13, 1975 Andrei Katz
May 20, 1976 Roy and Henry Borelli shot Joseph Brocchini, a lucchese soldier for made a black eye to Demeo.
June 12 1976- Vincent Governara is gunned down in Brooklyn Gaggi and DeMeo,he murder was retaliation for a physical altercation between Gaggi and Governara years earlier.
July 13 1976- Florida resident George Byrum is found shot and stabbed to death.Dominick Montiglio revealed that Byrum had been murdered by Gambino soldier Anthony Gaggi and Gambino associate Roy DeMeo for providing a tip to thieves that led to Gaggi's Florida home being robbed.
May 13, 1977 Mickey Spillane
May 16 1978 - Lucchese associate Michael DiCarlo is shot, stabbed and ultimately beaten to death by the Gambino-affiliated DeMeo Crew.
November 14, 1978 Edward Grillo
February 7,1979 Peter Waring, a cocaine dealer
February 19,1979 – Frederick Todaro is shot and stabbed to death
March 17,1979 – Charles Padnick, William Serrano and two unidentified associates of Serrano are shot to death
March 19,1979 – James Padnick travels to New York after the disappearance of his father Charles Padnick and is murdered
April 19,1979 – Dominick Ragucci, a 19-year-old college student with no organized crime ties, is shot to death by Roy DeMeo after a high-speed car chase.
May 11, 1979 Chris Rosenberg
October 1, 1979 James Eppolito and James Eppolito Jr.
October 12 1979 – Legitimate used car dealers Ronald Falcaro and Khaled Daoud are shot to death
March 7 1980 - Joseph Coppolino is stabbed to death and then decapitated.

Why didn't Demeo get pinched for killing the kid? You're telling me there weren't any witnesses? Two big ass Cadillacs hauling ass with one firing shots as he's driving and then gets out and shoots the kid execution style. Also, I heard the last days Demeo was wearing a leather trench coat with a sawed off shotgun concealed on a program once. And he was paranoid and tooted on blow. I never heard that account on any other program. You have at least 182 more to go Furio. I find that hard to believe that there were two hundred people murdered. That's one person a week for four years or twenty a year for ten years.

I dont think that demeo killed 200 people maybe 100 or more less.

Wow I never knew DeMeo was responsible for killing Mickey Spillane did that ever ruin the relationship between the Gambinos and The Westies for a period of time at all?

Roy made an alliance with Featherstone the spillane's successor and only for this Castellano agree to made Roy in 1978,I say this because Spillane was against an alliance with the italians but not Featherstone.

I'll add one more to the list. In May 1980 Demeo killed Patrick Penny who was a witness to the eppolito killings. Also in September of 1978 Joseph scorney is killed by the dememo crew and is stuffed in a cement filled drum

Thanks for the response Furio.

Just for my understanding as leaders of The Westies.. It went Mickey Spillane then Mickey Featherstone and then to Jimmy Coonan correct?...was there anyone else after Coonan?

ruby stein was killed by them i think or was it the westies

nop ruby stein was the westies after the hit the gambinos took them in. im reading a old article on ny times i didnt no the westies had planned on whacking anthony scotto the union big but it was called off. big paul was ruthless arnt they cousins.

Roy was made in June 1977 i believe

Here's a link that goes in depth on the Bryum murder. http://mafiahistory.us/a013/f_byrum.html

Heres a list I found online and i've read about alot of them in murder machine.


1. Paul Rothenberg (42 years old) (Murdered July 29, 1973)
Motive: Suspected of cooperating with authorities.
Method: Shot two times in back of head.
Murderer: Roy DeMeo (32 years old). Ordered by Anthony Gaggi (47 years old).
Location: Flower Hill, Nassau County.


2. Andrei Katz (22 years old) (Murdered June 13, 1975)
Motive: Cooperating with authorities; testified before Grand Jury.
Method: Stabbed to death; corpse dismembered.
Murderer: Harvey Rosenberg (24 years old).
Accomplices: Roy DeMeo (34 years old), Henry Borelli (27 years old), Anthony Senter (20 years old), Joseph Testa (20 years old), Judith Questal.
Location: Rockaway, Queens.


3. Vito Borelli (Murdered Mid-1975)
Motive: Made insulting remark about Paul Castellano.
Method: Shot to death; corpse dismembered.
Participants: Joseph Massino (32 years old), John Gotti (34 years old), Dominick Napolitano (45 years old), Angelo Ruggiero (34 years old), Frank DeCicco (39 years old), Anthony Rabito (40 years old), Salvatore Vitale (27 years old), Duane Leisenheimer (18 years old), Roy DeMeo (34 years old), others.
Location: Killed in Manhattan. Body dismembered in garage in Queens.


4. Joseph Brocchini (43 years old) (Murdered May 20, 1976)
Motive: Punched Roy DeMeo.
Method: Shot multiple times in back of head.
Murderers: Roy DeMeo (35 years old) and Henry Borelli (27 years old).
Accomplices: Harvey Rosenberg (25 years old), Joseph Testa (21 years old), Anthony Senter (21 years old). Authorized by Anthony Gaggi (50 years old).
Location: Woodside, Queens


5. Vincent Governara (34 years old) (Shot June 12, 1976; Died 1 Week Later)
Motive: Broke Anthony Gaggi’s nose in the late 1960s.
Method: Shot to death.
Murderers: Anthony Gaggi (50 years old) and Roy DeMeo (35 years old).
Accomplices: Dominick Montiglio (28 years old).
Location: Bensonhurst, Brooklyn


6. George Byrum (42 years old) (Murdered July 13, 1976)
Motive: Provided information to thieves that led to Anthony Gaggi’s house being robbed.
Method: Shot in face with .380 handgun. Stabbed in back 11 times. Partially decapitated.
Murderer: Roy DeMeo (35 years old).
Accomplices: Anthony Gaggi (50 years old) and Anthony Plate (63 years old).
Location: Dade County, Florida.


7. Unidentified Victim #1 (Murdered 1976)
Motive: Unknown. Mentioned to Dominick Montiglio by Roy DeMeo.
Method: Likely shot to death.
Participants: Roy DeMeo (35 years old), others.
Location: Body buried in Brooklyn.


8. Unidentified Victim #2 (Murdered 1976)
Motive: Unknown. Mentioned to Dominick Montiglio by Roy DeMeo.
Method: Likely shot to death.
Participants: Roy DeMeo (35 years old), others.
Location: Body buried in Brooklyn.


9. Charles/Ruby Stein (61 years old) (Murdered May 15, 1977)
Motive: Killed to erase debts and to take over his loansharking business.
Method: Shot to death with automatic pistol. Corpse dismembered.
Murderer: Edward Grillo (43 years old).
Accomplices: James Coonan (30 years old), William Beattie, Thomas Hess, Richard Ryan, Nicholas Kagabines (46 years old).
Location: Hell’s Kitchen. Disposed of at Ward’s Island.


10. Michael/Mickey Spillane (43 years old) (Murdered May 13, 1977)
Motive: Killed as favor to Irish mobster James Coonan.
Method: Shot five times in arm, stomach, chest and face with two handguns.
Murderers: Roy DeMeo (36 years old) and Edward Grillo (43 years old).
Accomplices: Harvey Rosenberg (26 years old), Henry Borelli (28 years old), Joseph Testa (22 years old), Anthony Senter (22 years old).
Location: Woodside, Queens.


11. Jerome Hofaker (23 years old) (Murdered June 1977)
Motive: Involved in altercation with Dennis Testa.
Method: Shot to death.
Participants: Anthony Senter (22 years old) and Joseph Testa (22 years old).
Location: Canarsie, Brooklyn.


12. Johnathan Quinn (34 years old) (Murdered July 20, 1977)
Motive: Testified before grand jury.
Method: Shot once in back of head with .32 caliber handgun.
Murderer: Peter LaFroscia (28 years old).
Accomplices: Roy DeMeo (36 years old), Henry Borelli (29 years old), Harvey Rosenberg (26 years old), Joseph Testa (22 years old), Anthony Senter (22 years old).
Location: Murdered in Flatlands, Brooklyn. Body left in Staten Island.


13. Cherie Golden (19 years old) (Murdered July 20, 1977)
Motive: Had knowledge of Quinn/DeMeo activities.
Method: Shot 3 times in head with .38 caliber handgun.
Murderer: Anthony Senter (22 years old).
Accomplices: Joseph Testa (22 years old), Roy DeMeo (36 years old), Peter LaFroscia (28 years old), Henry Borelli (29 years old), Harvey Rosenberg (26 years old).
Location: Murdered in Flatlands, Brooklyn. Body found in Gerritsen Beach, Brooklyn.


14. Daniel Conti (28 years old) (Murdered October 29, 1977)
Motive: Killed after botched hijacking; seen as weak link and potential cooperator.
Method: Shot to death.
Participants: Roy DeMeo (37 years old), Peter LaFroscia (28 years old), others.
Location: Body found in Lincoln Terrace Park, Brooklyn. Believed shot elsewhere.


15. John Costello (20 years old) (Murdered November 1977)
Motive: Killed after botched hijacking; seen as weak link and potential cooperator.
Method: Shot to death.
Participants: Roy DeMeo (37 years old), Peter LaFroscia (28 years old), others.
Location: Brooklyn.


16. Patrick Presenzano/Presinzano (35 years old) (Murdered March 23, 1978)
Motive: Stole jewelry from DeMeo acquaintance, refused to return it.
Method: Beaten then shot to death. Throat slit.
Participants: Roy DeMeo (37 years old), others.
Location: Sheepshead Bay, Brooklyn.


17. Michael Mandelino (37 years old) (Murdered March 19, 1978)
Motive: Suspected of setting up DeMeo Crew member Peter LaFroscia for robbery.
Method: Shot multiple times in head.
Participants: Unknown.
Location: Body found on Hinsdale Street in Flatlands, Brooklyn.


18. Nino Martini (38 years old) (Murdered March 19, 1978)
Motive: Present with Mandelino.
Method: Shot multiple times in head.
Participants: Unknown.
Location: Body found on Hinsdale Street in Flatlands, Brooklyn.


19. Kevin Guelli (Murdered April/May of 1978)
Motive: Attempted to scam Harvey Rosenberg out of $10,000 worth of cocaine.
Method: Shot to death.
Participants: Harvey Rosenberg (27 years old), others.
Location: Canarsie, Brooklyn.


20. Gary Gardine (25 years old) (Murdered April/May of 1978)
Motive: Attempted to scam Harvey Rosenberg out of 10 pounds of marijuana.
Method: Shot to death. Corpse burned.
Participants: Likely Harvey Rosenberg (27 years old), others.
Location: Canarsie, Brooklyn.


21. Michael DiCarlo (Murdered May 16, 1978)
Motive: Molested nephew of Lucchese associate.
Method: Blunt force trauma to the head after being shot, stabbed, beaten and sodomized. Corpse dismembered.
Murderer: Anthony Senter (23 years old).
Accomplices: Roy DeMeo (37 years old), Joseph Guglielmo (50 years old), Henry Borelli (29 years old), Joseph Testa (23 years old), Harvey Rosenberg (27 years old).
Location: Flatlands, Brooklyn.


22. Joseph Scorney (28 years old) (Murdered September 28, 1978)
Motive: Refused to join DeMeo’s auto-theft operation. Threatened Richard DiNome's children.
Method: Blunt force trauma to the head after being shot.
Murderers: Vito Arena (36 years old) and Richard DiNome (24 years old).
Accomplices: Ronald Turekian (29 years old), Frederick DiNome (37 years old).
Location: Autoshop owned by Richard DiNome in Canarsie, Brooklyn.


23. Edward Daniel Grillo (44 years old) (Murdered November 14, 1978)
Motive: Fell into heavy debt, seen as weak and potential cooperator.
Method: Shot to death. Corpse dismembered.
Participants: Likely Roy DeMeo (38 years old), Harvey Rosenberg (28 years old), Joseph Testa (23 years old), Anthony Senter (23 years old).
Location: Gemini Apartment in Flatlands, Brooklyn.


24. Unidentified Victim #3 (Murdered Early 1979)
Motive: Allegedly described to Arena as "favor for someone in Manhattan”.
Method: Unknown. Allegedly witnessed at the Gemini apartment by Vito Arena.
Participants: Roy DeMeo (38 years old), others.
Location: Gemini Apartment in Flatlands, Brooklyn.


25. Unidentified Victim #4 (Murdered Early 1979)
Motive: Allegedly described to Arena as "favor for someone in Manhattan”.
Method: Unknown. Allegedly witnessed at the Gemini apartment by Vito Arena.
Participants: Roy DeMeo (38 years old), others.
Location: Gemini Apartment in Flatlands, Brooklyn.


26. Unidentified Victim #5 (Murdered February 2, 1979)
Motive: Insulted Roy DeMeo.
Method: Shot to death. Allegedly witnessed outside Gemini Lounge by Dominick Montiglio.
Murderer: Roy DeMeo (38 years old).
Location: Flatlands, Brooklyn.


27. Peter Waring (Murdered February 7, 1979)
Motive: Suspected of being police informant.
Method: Likely Shot to Death. Corpse dismembered.
Participants: Likely Roy DeMeo (38 years old), Harvey Rosenberg (28 years old), others.
Location: Gemini Lounge in Flatlands, Brooklyn.


28. Scott Carfaro (Murdered Early 1979)
Motive: Acquitted of rape; victim’s family members contracted DeMeo Crew.
Method: Unknown.
Participants: Likely Roy DeMeo (38 years old), others.
Location: Unknown.


29. Frederick T.odaro (60 years old) (Murdered February 19, 1979)
Motive: Contract Murder; killed so his nephew, Douglas Rega (29 years old), could take over business property.
Method: Shot and stabbed to death. Corpse dismembered.
Murderer: Roy DeMeo (38 years old) and Harvey Rosenberg (28 years old).
Accomplices: Joseph Testa (23 years old), Anthony Senter (23 years old), Frederick DiNome (38 years old).
Location: Gemini Apartment in Flatlands, Brooklyn.


30. Charles Padnick (Murdered March 17, 1979)
Motive: Murdered in a cocaine rip-off by the Crew.
Method: Likely shot to death then dismembered.
Participants: Harvey Rosenberg (28 years old), Roy DeMeo (38 years old), others.
Location: Likely the Gemini Lounge in Flatlands, Brooklyn.


31. William Serrano (Murdered March 17, 1979)
Motive: Murdered in a cocaine rip-off by the Crew.
Method: Likely shot to death then dismembered.
Participants: Harvey Rosenberg (28 years old), Roy DeMeo (38 years old), others.
Location: Likely the Gemini Lounge in Flatlands, Brooklyn.


32. Unidentified associate of Serrano (Murdered March 17, 1979)
Motive: Murdered in a cocaine rip-off by the Crew.
Method: Likely shot to death then dismembered.
Participants: Harvey Rosenberg (28 years old), Roy DeMeo (38 years old), others.
Location: Likely the Gemini Lounge in Flatlands, Brooklyn.


33. Unidentified female associate of Serrano (Murdered March 17, 1979)
Motive: Murdered in a cocaine rip-off by the Crew.
Method: Likely shot to death then dismembered.
Participants: Harvey Rosenberg (28 years old), Roy DeMeo (38 years old), others.
Location: Likely the Gemini Lounge in Flatlands, Brooklyn.


34. Jamie Padnick (Murdered March 18, 1979)
Motive: Went to New York to investigate father’s disappearance; knew of cocaine deal.
Method: Likely shot to death then dismembered.
Participants: Harvey Rosenberg (28 years old), Roy DeMeo (38 years old), others.
Location: Likely the Gemini Lounge in Flatlands, Brooklyn.


35. Dominick Ragucci (18 years old) (Murdered April 19, 1979)
Motive: Mistaken for hitman by Roy DeMeo.
Method: Shot seven times at close range with handgun.
Murderer: Roy DeMeo (38 years old).
Accomplices: Frederick DiNome (38 years old), Joseph Guglielmo (51 years old).
Location: Route 101 in Suffolk County, Long Island.


36. Harvey/Chris Rosenberg (28 years old) (Murdered May 11, 1979)
Motive: Murdered to avoid war between Gambinos and Colombians.
Method: Shot four times in head.
Murderers: Roy DeMeo (38 years old) and Anthony Senter (24 years old).
Accomplices: Joseph Testa (24 years old), Henry Borelli (30 years old), Frederick DiNome (38 years old).
Location: Gemini Lounge. Body dumped at Gateway National Recreation Area, Brooklyn.


37. James Eppolito (62 years old) (Murdered October 1, 1979)
Motive: Accused Roy and Anthony Gaggi of being drug dealers.
Method: Shot multiple times in head with handgun.
Murderer: Roy DeMeo (39 years old).
Accomplice: Anthony Gaggi (54 years old).
Location: Coney Island, Brooklyn.


38. James Eppolito, Jr. (33 years old) (Murdered October 1, 1979)
Motive: Accused Roy and Anthony Gaggi of being drug dealers.
Method: Shot multiple times in head with handgun.
Murderer: Anthony Gaggi (54 years old).
Accomplice: Roy DeMeo (39 years old).
Location: Coney Island, Brooklyn.


39. Khaled Daoud (Murdered October 12, 1979)
Motive: Threatened to inform police about DeMeo auto-theft operation.
Method: Shot to death. Corpse dismembered.
Murderers: Roy DeMeo (39 years old) and Henry Borelli (31 years old).
Accomplices: Frederick DiNome (38 years old), Vito Arena (37 years old), Joseph Testa (24 years old), Anthony Senter (24 years old).
Location: Frederick DiNome’s bodyshop on Glenwood Road in Flatlands, Brooklyn.


40. Ronald Falcaro (29 years old) (Murdered October 12, 1979)
Motive: Worked with Daoud, knew of DeMeo car operation.
Method: Shot to death. Corpse dismembered.
Murderer: Henry Borelli (31 years old).
Accomplices: Roy DeMeo (39 years old), Frederick DiNome (38 years old), Vito Arena (37 years old), Joseph Testa (24 years old), Anthony Senter (24 years old).
Location: Frederick DiNome’s bodyshop on Glenwood Road in Flatlands, Brooklyn.


41. Joseph Coppolino (39 years old) (Murdered March 7, 1980)
Motive: Suspected of being informant for Narcotics Detectives.
Method: Stabbed to death. Corpse decapitated.
Participants: Roy DeMeo (39 years old), others.
Location: Brooklyn.


42. Patrick Penny (21 years old) (Murdered May 12, 1980)
Motive: Testified against Anthony Gaggi in State murder trial.
Method: Shot nine times in head.
Murderer: Roy DeMeo (39 years old).
Accomplices: Vito Arena (38 years old), Richard DiNome (25 years old).
Location: Sheepshead Bay, Brooklyn.


43. Charles Mongitore (30 years old) (Murdered June 5, 1980)
Motive: Ignored warnings about testifying against Andrew Mangialino, son of Gambino Soldier Salvatore Mangialino.
Method: Shot fourteen times at close range with handguns. Throat slit.
Murderers: Roy DeMeo (39 years old) and Henry Borelli (31 years old).
Accomplices: Vito Arena (38 years old), Richard DiNome (25 years old), Joseph Testa (25 years old), Anthony Senter (25 years old), Salvatore Mangialino (43 years old).


44. Daniel Scutaro (25 years old) (Murdered June 5, 1980)
Motive: Encountered DeMeo Crew as they were cleaning up after Mongitore shooting.
Method: Shot to death.
Murderers: Roy DeMeo (39 years old) and Henry Borelli (32 years old).
Accomplices: Vito Arena (38 years old), Richard DiNome (25 years old), Joseph Testa (25 years old), Anthony Senter (25 years old), Salvatore Mangialino (43 years old).


45. Frank Amato (Murdered September 20, 1980)
Motive: Ordered by Gambino Boss Paul Castellano.
Method: Shot to death with automatic firearm. Corpse dismembered.
Murderer: Roy DeMeo (40 years old).
Accomplices: Joseph Testa (25 years old), Anthony Senter (25 years old), Frederick DiNome (39 years old), Richard DiNome (26 years old).
Location: Gemini Apartment in Flatlands, Brooklyn. Body dumped in Atlantic Ocean.


46. James Bennett (April 29, 1981)
Motive: Cooperating Witness set to testify against DeMeo Crew member Richard Mastrangelo.
Method: Shot to death by two gunmen.
Participants: Unknown.
Location: Brooklyn.


47. Anthony Romano (64 years old) (Murdered July 4, 1982)
Motive: Suspected of involvement in 1978 robbery of Peter LaFroscia.
Method: Shot to death.
Participants: Roy DeMeo (41 years old), others.
Location: Brooklyn


48. John Romano (Murdered July 4, 1982)
Motive: Suspected of involvement in 1978 robbery of Peter LaFroscia.
Method: Shot to death.
Participants: Roy DeMeo (41 years old), others.
Location: Brooklyn


49. Roy DeMeo (42 years old) (Murdered January 10, 1983)
Motive: Gambino hierarchy feared he would become cooperating witness.
Method: Shot to death.
Participants: Suspected to be Anthony Gaggi (57 years old), Joseph Testa (27 years old) and Anthony Senter (27 years old).
Location: Found in parking lot of Varuna Boat Club in Sheepshead Bay, Brooklyn.


50. Richard DiNome (29 years old) (Murdered February 4, 1984)
Motive: Considered weak and potential cooperating witness.
Method: Shot once in back of head with automatic firearm.
Participants: Likely Joseph Testa (28 years old), Anthony Senter (28 years old), others.
Location: Found in living room of Gravesend, Brooklyn home.


51. John Baida (Murdered February 4, 1984)
Motive: Present at Richard DiNome’s house when hitmen arrived.
Method: Shot once in back of head with automatic firearm.
Participants: Likely Joseph Testa (28 years old), Anthony Senter (28 years old), others.
Location: Gravesend, Brooklyn


52. Frederick Seiden (Murdered February 4, 1984)
Motive: Present at Richard DiNome’s house when hitmen arrived.
Method: Shot twice in head with automatic firearm.
Participants: Likely Joseph Testa (28 years old), Anthony Senter (28 years old), others.
Location: Gravesend, Brooklyn.


Post DeMeo-Crew Murders


53. Vladimir Reznikov (Murdered June 13, 1986)
Motive: Threatened acquaintance of Lucchese Capo Anthony Casso.
Method: Shot multiple times in head.
Murderer: Joseph Testa (31 years old)
Location: Brighton Beach.


54. Nicholas Guido (Murdered December 25, 1986)
Motive: Mistakenly identified as individual involved in attempted hit on Anthony Casso.
Method: Shot four times at close range with handgun.
Murderer: Joseph Testa (31 years old)
Accomplices: Anthony Casso (Ordered Hit); George Zappola (Supervisor of hit).
Location: Brooklyn.


55. Carmine Varriale (Murdered September 3, 1987)
Motive:
Method: Shot multiple times at close range with handgun.
Murderer: Frank Smith.
Accomplices: Joseph Testa (32 years old) (Backup Shooter); Anthony Senter (32 years old) (Backup Shooter); George Zappola (28 years old).


56. Frank Santora (Murdered September 3, 1987)
Motive: Killed alongside Carmine Varriale.
Method: Shot multiple times at close range with handgun.
Murderer: Frank Smith.
Accomplices: Joseph Testa (32 years old) (Backup Shooter); Anthony Senter (32 years old) (Backup Shooter).

Great list. I didn't see the two guys murdered by Chris Rosenberg on the list though...it was in murder machine. He fronted Coke to one guy and weed to the other. Both messed up the package and both ended up wacked. They even had an exact amount in murder machine for the weed guy killed....Chris fronted him 4 pounds of weed. Refused to pay. Got killed.

No doubt DeMeo and his crew killed 100. Question is did they kill 200? I'm gonna guess around 150. I truly believe DeMeo himself was involved one way or the other with 100. He is probably the most prolific killer in American history period let alone the mob. He has more bodies then the green river killer.

It's numbers 19 and 20 although is says 10 pounds instead of 4. I'd have to look it up in murder machine to see how much it was.

Well, looks like we both we wrong! Page 159 in Murder Machine.....the amount he was killed over was 3 pounds....yikes. Chris Rosenberg did not mess around...he had a huge chip on his shoulder.

But yeah, this Gary Gardine got 3 pounds fronted and decides not to pay. Stupid decision and it cost him his life.

Sounds like Joey Testa was putting hella work back in the day

the cousin dracula was always interesting hes roys 1st cousin so once roy gets found in the trunk of the car dracula must have known it was roys best friends i doubt he would go meet anyone from that crew after roys discoverd. but at the same time the feds would have tracked him down he was a serial killer. roys son said he dropped him off at jfk why lie? but he must have got whacked or the fbi would have tracked him down in romania at his old castle. get it.

That is true what Albert said about Guglielmo. He was spotted in the Miami area in the summer of 83'. After that it is anyone's guess at what happened later.

Dracula//Gugleilmo I heard back in the day from the ppl. surrounding Al Pajamas was he died in peace in the same area of the Poconos that Charlie White was hiding out in...go figure,, I have no solid proof of this xcept 4 the sources I know , do not bullshit & found this subject somewhat mundane..

Crazy part all those murders testa n senter have a release date last time we check its 2032. 14 yrs from now they'll probaly both make it. Really youve heard that about dracula. I guess it could be true. The guy was around demeo so much he knew once roy was killed he was next. Dam. There alot of innocent bystanders in these hits so sloopy killing 3 guys to get 1. Nuts. Shocked castellano didnt have all off demeos crew killed in 1983 like a open contract to anyone. Makes .e think they were protected by another family amuso gaspipe ect.

I don't think would have been possible to take them all out. As it was NOBODY took the Demeo contract. Its a proven fact that gotti was absolutely terrified and basically begged Paul not to give it to him. In end The Gemini twins and Nino had to do it themselves.

Where did you see it as a "proven fact" that Gotti was terrified of DeMeo? I have seen it said on internet boards but that is always wishful thinking and speculation. I also cannot see him being told by his boss to kill DeMeo and begging not to have to do it.

ya idont think gotti was scared of anyone hes was a true tough guy. but i think gotti knew in his head he wasnt close anuff to demeo to sneak him he probaly couldnt get near him with out demeo letting his guns off first. like it was a suicide mission. and gotti wasnt dumb anuff to go creeping around demeo crew place what was it flatlands brooklyn.

I think it was picked up on a wire that Gotti was approached for the Demeo hit and did his best to avoid it cuz he was leery of Roy and all the hitters around him. it may have been Gene and not John that said it tho.

I can believe that. as crazy as the book made him seem I don't think that it'd be out of the realm of possibility that they didn't really deem him a major risk as far as turning rat. he'd of probably made a terrible witness between his ultra strange record, his horror movie esque appearance and the fact that he wasn't going to be able to tell l.e anything that the guys who previously flipped hadn't already said.

and I might be off but now that I think about I can't remember Dracula committing any murders so maybe the cops didn't really have much of an interest.

My wondering is why would the older fellas of the Scarfo crew know or give a shit about someone like Gugleilmo??..But..my older contacts presume it was all "uno famiglia"..also being that Charlie White was stashed up there...the Scarfo regime was tight w/ the Gambino's back then,,,but then again Lil Nicky was tight w/ everyone back then if u think about it.I don't know but that Drac dude is a gone baby story now..

The Gemini twins had ties with the luccheses ? or was made only because was a stone cold killers ?

Patti Testa was close to Amuso and Gasspipe. Frankie Decicco who was overseeing the contract on Demeo,new Gasspipe had the Twins in his pocket. They must of looked up to him, idolised him(they were young) and he knew that and he also knew, in his own words, " they were probably the most psychotic killers in the history of LCN" and that's coming from a paranoid loco like Gasspipe. It sounds like in Alberts book,they were both working for and under he supervision of Gaggi, tying up loose ends. When it was all imploding with the crew, they both knew they were dead men walking and Jack Julie could protect them. That's when Gasspipe stepped in. He said they both kept asking for reassurance if they would be OK and nothing would happen to the them. They both knew they were dead men. Casso said if you take the contract, from that moment on your with me and no one can touch you, if not your on your own.

Gotti was a tough guy but he definetly was scared of certain people like Demeo and Casso

There are wiretaps of Gene Gotti and he specifically said that Gotti didn't want to take the contract because Demeo was obviously a bigtime killer and he had a "army f killers" around him. Maybe "begged" isn't the right word but he definetly ducked his way out of that