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Strongest organized crime group #936904
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Who is the strongest and wealthiest organized crime group out there? Is it the Sinola cartel? Ndrangheta? Camorra? Russian mafia? Or maybe the Yakuza?

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It obviously depends on which country/continent/region is in each question . But I'd say the organized crime groups with the strongest international presence/influence are certain Latin American drug cartels as well as certain clans belonging to the Ndrangheta .

Some Camorra clans may also fit the bill , but I may be wrong .

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Even though they are losing ground to the coalition lead by the CJNG, I still consider the Sinaloa Federation the strongest cartel in the world and by extension, the strongest crime group in the world. The 'Ndrangheta is also immensely powerful, but is in my opinion too fragmented to be considered as one monolithic, homogeneous organization..


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I always used to hear about the Russian mafia and how strong they were. And yes I have heard a lot about the power and wealth of the Ndrangheta.

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The strongest and wealthiest organized crime group out there is without question the Ndrangheta.

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^Can’t argue with that one aha

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Has there ever been any type of war between the different organizations in Italy or is there more in-fighting than anything?

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In Europe so many strong groups, but OC is fluid. Traditional groups going back many years like the thieves-in-law, 'ndrangheta, cosa nostra, milieu corse and mafia shqiptare will always be at the top here.


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I totally agree with what Hollander said,but if i can pick one it would be 'Ndrangheta.


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There no easy answer but the ndrangheta have a world wide diffusion and the Cartels especially Sinaloa had commerciale routes in all the word so I say ndrangheta (the piromalli ndrina) and the Sinaloa cartel.

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in my opinion 'ndrangheta and sinaloa cartel currently

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For what it's worth , certain Triad groups may fit the bill . You don't read/hear much about them , however they have a very far reaching international presence ( spanning at least three continents ) and they are still pretty big in narcotics and ( perhaps above all ) counterfeit goods trafficking .

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If you look at single organisations. Solntsevskaya is up there, because they are protected by the FSB and Dawood's D-Company protected by the Pakistanis.


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I bet on the ndrangheta because made bussiness in canada with the Canadian Mafia and the chinese big circle boys and native crime groups;in NY replaced the mafia for the coke traffick with the 5 families and made bussiness diectly with the colombians or the los Zetas (and saved numerous mobsters that risked to die because can't pay for the drug) and divided the whole Australia and i don't speaked of europe where had the monopoly on coke traffick.
In few words it are word wide while the Russians or the chinese wasnt present in all the continents.

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Was there any backlash from the Sicilians since the Ndrangheta replaced them in New York?

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Also, is the structure of the Ndrangheta similar to that of the Sicilians or the Camorra?

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Originally Posted by Revis_Island
Also, is the structure of the Ndrangheta similar to that of the Sicilians or the Camorra?


Nope.Here a chart with the ndrangheta structure

[Linked Image]

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Ndrangheta is an umbrella group so how many clans actually have international branches? There's over 100 clans and i doubt all of them have an international branch (es). No differ from these other crime associations , some groups are more larger than others just like street gangs umbrellas.


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That looks kind of confusing. But so there is not just one boss who everyone answers to? Just families within one family?

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Also, it seems like the cosa nostra structure would be so much less problematic as opposed to the Ndrangheta where there is no true boss above everyone. But I am not as educated on this than some of you may be.

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Ndrangheta is an umbrella group so how many clans actually have international branches? There's over 100 clans and i doubt all of them have an international branch (es). No differ from these other crime associations , some groups are more larger than others just like street gangs umbrellas.


ndrangheta is an unique oganization like cosa nostra, there are several clans but they belong to a single criminal group and there is a boss of bosses according to police
it has nothing to do with street gangs, very different thing, ndrangheta is strongly connected with politicians, freemasons, businessmen, street gangs run just streets stuff (drug dealing, prostitution) and they are not a single group, although bloods and crisps may claim of

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I totally agree with what m2w said,Ndrangheta has nothing to do with street gangs,some Camorra clans are like street gangs,but 'Ndrangheta or Sicilian Mafia are not even close to it.

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They are secret societies occult but also business-like.


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Originally Posted by Hollander
They are secret societies occult but also business-like.


the triads are also,and the tongs,they'are all Masons.

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Originally Posted by m2w
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Ndrangheta is an umbrella group so how many clans actually have international branches? There's over 100 clans and i doubt all of them have an international branch (es). No differ from these other crime associations , some groups are more larger than others just like street gangs umbrellas.


ndrangheta is an unique oganization like cosa nostra, there are several clans but they belong to a single criminal group and there is a boss of bosses according to police
it has nothing to do with street gangs, very different thing, ndrangheta is strongly connected with politicians, freemasons, businessmen, street gangs run just streets stuff (drug dealing, prostitution) and they are not a single group, although bloods and crisps may claim of


You misunderstood the question & comparison. There's over 100 clans and they vary by membership. How many clans actually have international branches in other countries. You stated their similar like Cosa Nostra which means the Ndrangheta isn't a single organization but an association of crime groups that share a code of conduct. Hence, similar to a gang umbrella.
Examples:
Crips Umbrella have over 100 gangs. Each gang varies in size & activities.
Ndrangheta Association have over 100 clans. Each vary in size & activities.

Certain Crip gangs are bigger like the Rollin 60s, Grape Street, or Hoover Criminals. Im expecting there's certain Ndrangheta clans that have a large membership.


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Originally Posted by americafyeah
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They are secret societies occult but also business-like.


the triads are also,and the tongs,they'are all Masons.


Indeed, the triads are also influenced by British Imperialism.


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Originally Posted by BlackFamily
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Ndrangheta is an umbrella group so how many clans actually have international branches? There's over 100 clans and i doubt all of them have an international branch (es). No differ from these other crime associations , some groups are more larger than others just like street gangs umbrellas.


ndrangheta is an unique oganization like cosa nostra, there are several clans but they belong to a single criminal group and there is a boss of bosses according to police
it has nothing to do with street gangs, very different thing, ndrangheta is strongly connected with politicians, freemasons, businessmen, street gangs run just streets stuff (drug dealing, prostitution) and they are not a single group, although bloods and crisps may claim of


You misunderstood the question & comparison. There's over 100 clans and they vary by membership. How many clans actually have international branches in other countries. You stated their similar like Cosa Nostra which means the Ndrangheta isn't a single organization but an association of crime groups that share a code of conduct. Hence, similar to a gang umbrella.
Examples:
Crips Umbrella have over 100 gangs. Each gang varies in size & activities.
Ndrangheta Association have over 100 clans. Each vary in size & activities.

Certain Crip gangs are bigger like the Rollin 60s, Grape Street, or Hoover Criminals. Im expecting there's certain Ndrangheta clans that have a large membership.


They all belong to SINGLE criminal group,when he said Cosa Nostra , he meant on Sicilian mafia, where you have Matteo Messina Denaro , who is not boss of bosses because he is not from Palermo,but if anyone is doing something important,he must have ok.Totally different thing than street gangs.

Stupid comparison: look at them as a crews in Genovese Crime Family for example, they all belong to single criminal gropup(Genovese Crime Family),at the end they are all answering to a few people that are on top.

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Originally Posted by Revis_Island
That looks kind of confusing. But so there is not just one boss who everyone answers to? Just families within one family?


The difference between cosa nostra and ndrangheta is that of cosa nostra are knowned all the ranks:made man,caporegime,consigliere,underboss and boss but the ndrangheta ranks are many more and not all are knowed outside the ndranghet.
The ndrangheta is divide in 2 societies: the minor society and the major society.

At the bottom of the hierarchy is the ndrina that is composed by a family which controls a particular territory such as a town or a district of a city, and other affiliated subjects. The name of a 'ndrina therefore is nothing more than the surname of the family or in some cases the surnames of more families that over time have tight ties also driven by economic reasons (Pelle-Vottari, Nirta-Strangio etc).

The boss of a ndrina is called capobastone and more ndrine form the Locale

In a ndrina you can be made by birth or by merit,this are the ranks:

Giovane d'Onore: affiliated because is son of a ndranghetantista with the hope that will follow his father in the ndrangheta;
Picciotto d'Onore: a ndrangheta soldier;
Camorrista: this rank is similar with the caporegime,usually is more old than the picciotti and give orders to them;
Sgarrista:the one who collects the bribes and takes care of the accounting, similar to the Cosa Nostra's consigliere

If a 'Ndrina within the local' Ndrangheta reaches the number of 50 made men, the capobastone can give life to the so-called "detached ndrina" that grows in importance compared to the other 'ndrine and extends over the territory concerned; However, the detachment must be authorized by Locale.

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And now know the Major Society or Società Maggiore

To climb the hierarchy (especially if you aren't a son of a member) must have the doti (dowry) o the fiori (flowers).

Every Locale had his boss,an accountant, who manages finances, and a crimine (crime), which governs how to settle accounts with rival gangs, organizing killings, extortions and ambushes. The only structure above the premises, in the past was the Santa.
Tha Santa can be created only if in a locale there are 7 santisti,for this a ndrina made a meeting in a place that first must be baptized by the capo-società with a rite,and is him that chair the meeting.

The Santa was created in the 1970s and with the years there was too many santisti and a new rank was created aka the Vangelista so called from the fact that he swears to the cosca with his hand on the Gospel, this a almost honorary role, obtained for criminal merits.
Quintino, previously known as trequartino and still now called godfather, is the right arm, similar to the underboss of Cosa Nostra, which helps the Capobastone in the management of 'ndrina and can take his place in his absence. often led by a godfather.
Recapitulating there is a compartmentalization between the two societies, and each has its own rites and ranks.

Società minore (Minor Society)

Picciotto
Camorrista
Sgarrista

Società Maggiore (Major Society)

Santa
Vangelo
Quartino and trequartino
Godfather or Quintino
Crusade (discovered in 2010)
Stella (discovered in 2010)
Bartolo (discovered in 2010)
Mammasantissima or Mamma (discovered in 2010)
Infinity (discovered in 2010)
Count Ugolino (discovered in 2010)

I hope I was clear.

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Quick clarification; Even though often it's presented as having a horizontal structure.... It's kinda been proven that Ndrangheta has a strict hierarchy and chain of command. ALL the locales supposedly are clones of mother locales in Calabria.
Edit; I also don't think your locale can be official if it's not ratified in Calabria, then you become, what is it called a bastard? Furious probably knows the term...


@ Furio

Correct me if I'm wrong here.....

Costa nostra and ndrangheta are criminal freemasonry. The Naples gangs mostly control products, markets. It's been like that since the world wars, with the black market first, then the huge cigarette trade. Then the huge open air drug markets and the high fashion sweat shops... They all infiltrate construction and agriculture/ supermarkets.


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