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Philly family present day scale #933396
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In the 2004 new jersy organized crime report it.says at the time half of the 50 members of philly family were jailed and another 15 were inactive so there were only 10 active guys? That seems more like a small crew not a family. What about now? How many active members do you estimate? and to what extent do they still control the local rackets? Thanks.

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check out Mukremin's charts. he's pretty on top of things...


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Re: Philly family present day scale [Re: SimonChen] #933399
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Philly has 7 capo's
1. North Jersey/licata
2.south Jersey/???
3. philadelphia/ Martin Angelina
4. Philadelphia/gaeton lucibello
5. Philadelphia/ Mike Lance
6. Philadelphia/ George Borgesi
7. Philadelphia/ Phillip narducci (capo in scarfo era)
These are the capo's that's publicly known


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My guess probaly 25 made guys in philly 10 in new jersey active? There was only like 4 capo when scarfo was at his peak in 1985. There was only 2 in philly then 1 in north jersey and that guy santo idone who had 1 soldier. Id bet theres probaly 3 4 tops capos. To many chiefs not anuff indians.

Re: Philly family present day scale [Re: thebigfella] #933431
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Originally Posted by thebigfella
Philly has 7 capo's
1. North Jersey/licata
2.south Jersey/???
3. philadelphia/ Martin Angelina
4. Philadelphia/gaeton lucibello
5. Philadelphia/ Mike Lance
6. Philadelphia/ George Borgesi
7. Philadelphia/ Phillip narducci (capo in scarfo era)
These are the capo's that's publicly known

Lucibello isn't a captain anymore and I'm guessing Angelina isn't either.


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Originally Posted by thebigfella
Philly has 7 capo's
1. North Jersey/licata
2.south Jersey/???
3. philadelphia/ Martin Angelina
4. Philadelphia/gaeton lucibello
5. Philadelphia/ Mike Lance
6. Philadelphia/ George Borgesi
7. Philadelphia/ Phillip narducci (capo in scarfo era)
These are the capo's that's publicly known

Lucibello isn't a captain anymore and I'm guessing Angelina isn't either.


Marty got knocked down after the assault charge on the shore. Sonny has taken over the south jersey borgata.

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is there any philly guys in trenton or camden not really the inner city parts cause ive seen there like 3rd world countrys but the burbs. or even cherry hill. but id assume john gambino and his cousins probaly had that on lock down since they got out of prison. actually just looking on a map of the area seems like camden nj is cherry hill or there side by side. no wonder guys were pissed at bruno for letting the gambinos operate there its like a few miles from philly

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John gambino died.

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oh ya. last summer. he was meeting with the philly guys in 2011.

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Wow, I didn't know Angelina got kicked down, and what has Sonny done to be in charge of South Philly? Is he acting?


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So who tooked over Martin Angelina crew?


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Originally Posted by SimonChen
In the 2004 new jersy organized crime report it.says at the time half of the 50 members of philly family were jailed and another 15 were inactive so there were only 10 active guys? That seems more like a small crew not a family. What about now? How many active members do you estimate? and to what extent do they still control the local rackets? Thanks.


I found a blackhand forum philly chart before I was shelved.

1. Boss: Joseph "Skinny Joey" Merlino/53
-Ruling Panel: Steven "Handsome Steve" Mazzone/51, John "Johnny Chang" Ciancaglini/59 and Phillip Narducci/53
2. UnderBoss: ?????
3. Consiglieri: Joseph "Uncle Joe" Ligambi/76


Capos:
1. Martin "Marty" Angelina/53 – South Philly
2. George “Georgie Boy” Borgesi/52 – South Philly, Delaware County and South Jersey
3. Michael "Mikey Lance" Lancellotti/52 – South Philly and AC
4. Joseph "Scoops" Licata/74 – North Jersey
5. Anthony “Ant” Staino/58 (IP/2/17/2020) – South Jersey and South Philly


Soldiers:

6)Vincent "Beepsie" Centorino/85
7)Joseph “Chickie” Ciancaglini Sr/81
8)Martin "Marty Crutch" Curro/60
9)Frank DiPasquale
10)Eric Esposito/45
11)Louis "Big Lou" Fazzini/48
12Vincent "Big Vince" Filipelli/63
13Robert “The Cook” Gentile/77
14Dominic Grande/37
15Joseph Grande/55
16Francis "Faffy" Iannarella/68
17Charles "Charlie White" Iannece/80
18Vincent "Vince" Iannece/48
19Albert “Ally Lance/Cousin Al” Lancelotti
20Gaeton “Gate/The Big Guy” Lucibello/62
21Salvatore "Sonny" Mazzone/42
22Nicholas "Nicky Whip" Milano/54
23Frank “Windows” Narducci Jr/62
24Nicholas "Nicky O" Oliveri/63
25Anthony "Tony Pung" Pungitore Jr/61
26Joseph "Joey Pung" Pungitore/59
27Dominic Rugnetta/90
28Salvatore "Tory" Scafidi/54
29Joseph “Joey Electric” Servidio/56
30Ralph "Junior" Staino/83
31Luigi “Gino” Tripodi/76
32Shawn Vetere/47


Likely Members:
33Joseph Baldino/35
34Joseph “Bongs” Bongiovanni/69
35Anthony Borgesi/42
36Philip “Philly” Ligambi/66
37Vito Malgeri


Imprisoned Members:
Damion “Dame” Canalichio/45 (IP/12/21/2021)
Frank Martines/61 (IP/L)
Joseph "Mousie" Massimino/65 (IP/1/13/2025)
Anthony “Tony Nics” Nicodemo/43 (IP)
Vincent “Al Pajamas” Pagano/86 (IP/9/28/2063)
Nicodemo "Little Nicky" Scarfo/86 (IP/1/05/2033)
Salvatore “Shotsie” Sparacio/94 (IP/5/4/2020)
John Stanfa/74 (IP/L)


Members Who Have Died Since 1998:
Joseph “Gennaro Boccia” Costello (2007)
Joseph “Joe Crutch” Curro (2004)
Dominick "Tommy Adams" DiNorscio (1999)
Raymond “Fredo” Esposito (1999)
Anthony “Tony Meats” Ferrante (2001)
Gerardo “Jerry” Fusella (2007)
Frank Gambino (2012)
Robert Guarente (2004)
Frank "Snuffy" Iannarella
Santo “Big Santo” Idone (2005)
Alphonse "Funzie" Marconi (2006)
Guerino "Gino" Marconi (2009)
Raymond "Long John" Martirano (2002) (Killed)
Salvatore "Chucky" Merlino (2012)
Ralph “Blackie” Napoli (2003)
Anthony “Tony Buck” Piccolo (2004)
Anthony "Martino/Blonde Babe" Pungitore Sr. (2012)
Orlando Puppo (2000)
Michael “Mickey the Walker" Ricciardi (2001)
Harry “The Hunchback” Riccobene (2000)
Santo Romeo (1999)
Antonio “Nino” Sciglitano (2005)
Ronald “Ronnie” Turchi Sr (1999) (Killed)
Michael "Mikey Pen Knife" Virgilio (2007)

so 42 made men on the streets and 8 in prison.

Re: Philly family present day scale [Re: SimonChen] #933542
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That's very old


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Re: Philly family present day scale [Re: SimonChen] #933777
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Wow so the family is stronger today than it.was under Scarfo
Not many can say that?

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The problem is you think how many guys on the streets are active? In 2004 there were 15 inactive members what about now?

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WOW that's unbelievable in this day and age the family that has a boss that is "PUBLIC ENEMY #1"

His LCN family was able to grow by about 100%

Also, Skinny had not sure if he still has a crew in FL

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Originally Posted by BensonHURST
Wow so the family is stronger today than it.was under Scarfo
Not many can say that?


Absolutly not. After scarfo philly family reduced to a street gang;now ligambi rebuilted the family but lost most of his power,for example now doesn't had numbers to impose a street tax like in the glorious days.

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It’s nothing like it was 79-90 the guys that were left that knew what was what were in the joint or dead . Chuckie was feeding Skinny info to get money but still with Stanfa not knowing 1/3 of what was going on in the tristate area ....and you all know the rest !

But guys left on street were bottom of the barrel....

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I was responding to a post that said under Scarfo there were 4 crews and now there are 7
And in that 7 they didn't list Florida at all.

From what I read Skinny had a crew in Fl

As for quality I think across the board quality will.never be close to what it was.

Whether in NYC, Detroit or Philly.

If you read anything that Sonny Girard wrote he breaks that down better than anyone I have seen.

Past generations that came.from Sicily living conditions were so ruff that jail wasn't too far off.

Growing up in that environment produces a certain tuffness you become conditioned to be a certain way.
In the Italian ghetto's growing up was very tuff.
With few options to get out of that environment.

LCN back then for alot of guys in the Italian ghetto was the least path of resistance.

Today's generation for the most part are Americanized SPOILED.

In the ghetto you grew up fighting everyday now that environment does not exist.

For Italians anyway.

Bensonhurst brooklyn.in the 80's and 90's it was like the wild west very often bodies were left in the street for everyone to see, if you get out of line that could happen to you.
Or a guy would disappear and that was that.

Nowadays for the most part in America that's just not how it is.

The old guard is gone forever guys like Sonny Franzese etc.
You may get a guy here and there that is old school but that is more the exception than the norm.
In my opinion.

Re: Philly family present day scale [Re: BensonHURST] #933848
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Originally Posted by BensonHURST

I was responding to a post that said under Scarfo there were 4 crews and now there are 7
And in that 7 they didn't list Florida at all.

From what I read Skinny had a crew in Fl

As for quality I think across the board quality will.never be close to what it was.

Whether in NYC, Detroit or Philly.

If you read anything that Sonny Girard wrote he breaks that down better than anyone I have seen.

Past generations that came.from Sicily living conditions were so ruff that jail wasn't too far off.

Growing up in that environment produces a certain tuffness you become conditioned to be a certain way.
In the Italian ghetto's growing up was very tuff.
With few options to get out of that environment.

LCN back then for alot of guys in the Italian ghetto was the least path of resistance.

Today's generation for the most part are Americanized SPOILED.

In the ghetto you grew up fighting everyday now that environment does not exist.

For Italians anyway.

Bensonhurst brooklyn.in the 80's and 90's it was like the wild west very often bodies were left in the street for everyone to see, if you get out of line that could happen to you.
Or a guy would disappear and that was that.

Nowadays for the most part in America that's just not how it is.

The old guard is gone forever guys like Sonny Franzese etc.
You may get a guy here and there that is old school but that is more the exception than the norm.
In my opinion.



Bhurst are you saying that Bensonhurst/bath beach was an Italian ghetto? Thanks

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Originally Posted by BensonHURST
Yes


Really, a ghetto? I certainly believe that it was very dangerous and that it was, in those days, probably the neighborhood with the most mob activity of the entire US but one of the most important criteria for a neighborhood to be called a ghetto is median income, it has to be very low. Most of Bensonhurst, from what I can gather was middle class. I'm not trying to lecture you or anything, because I never lived there, I am just wondering why you would call it a ghetto because I never heard anyone call it that before..

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Originally Posted by BillyBrizzi
Originally Posted by BensonHURST
Yes


Really, a ghetto? I certainly believe that it was very dangerous and that it was, in those days, probably the neighborhood with the most mob activity of the entire US but one of the most important criteria for a neighborhood to be called a ghetto is median income, it has to be very low. Most of Bensonhurst, from what I can gather was middle class. I'm not trying to lecture you or anything, because I never lived there, I am just wondering why you would call it a ghetto because I never heard anyone call it that before..


It wasnt. It was a good neighbourhood, dont know what he is talking about.

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It was definitely a rough, blue collar, working class neighborhood back in the day especially.

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Ghetto meaning all.one ethnic group.

Today the last remaining Italian ghetto that I know of in NYC is Staten Island.

My time growing bensonhurst was a middle class neighborhood.

We didn't endure those harsh poor conditions more of the wild west because the wisefuys and social clubs were everywhere and they just weren't afraid to kill you they chose to.

Previous generations were poorer and Italians were no welcomed with open arms when the masses immigrated from Sicily.
Also, about thatbtine was the great depression the whole country had it tuff.

Also WW-2 more Italians serves in the military then any other nationality.

The guys that serves in the war those guys were tuff.

I mean war was different back then.

Look at Normandy Beach those guys ran into the bullets and bombs.

I was referring to two different time frames in my post.

In the 90's when I am growing up the older men in the neighborhood the previous generation was ww-2 era .

They had it really tuff, the generation before me.

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I know four Philly guys got pinched weds. Morning!!! A made guy in phillybwas wearing a wire..... not it news yet or papers or google.. why's that??

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Says who? How do you "know" thay happened? I was with 2 of those guys yesterday... Gabbing about everything.... Seems weird that didnt come up.

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Because I very dear friend of mine was one of them.. it's a guy who owns a rest in phillybweari g a wire

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