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mixing\merging families #933345
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i wonder if there was a thought of mix 2 or even 3 families together ( yeah i know the lucchese and colombo families wanted to merged with the bonannos after massino flipped)
but i am talking about last 10 years or maybe the future, do you think that families will consider merging with another family ?
i wonder if it ever was disscused it the modern days not 60s
families like colombo and jersey could really benefit from it
not to talk about gambino and genovese those are the big and strong one, it's scary to think about it haha
i know it probably sound childish but it's actually a good idea imo

Re: mixing\merging families [Re: MeyerLansky] #933352
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I know that after third colombo war,the Lucchese and bonanno thinked to divided the family between them.
And that the decavalcantes was almost a defacto gambinos crew.

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Re: mixing\merging families [Re: MeyerLansky] #933354
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i wonder if something like that will happen in the future
if it ever even discussed in the last years

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Sometime in the mid-to-late 1990s, the Trafficante crime family's operations were absorbed by the Gambinos. In Miami, however, the family remained independent, until the turn of the millennium when powerful capo Steve Raffa was arrested and subsequently hung himself, then his number-two man John Mamone flipped, and another guy flipped (his name alludes me). After that whole fiasco, the Miami operations were taken over by an Irishman.
In Tampa, by the late 90s sources on both sides of the law said that the family was basically a Gambino operation. Vincent Loscalzo, the family's last boss, most likely went legit by 2007, although he was investigated for loansharking around that time.

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What was Localzo a boss of in 2006?


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Re: mixing\merging families [Re: MeyerLansky] #933501
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Already happened. The remnants of the San Francisco family (something like 5 members) merged with the Los Angeles Family and the remnants of the Los Angeles Family (something like 10 members) merged with the Gambino family.

Re: mixing\merging families [Re: Neo] #933522
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Originally Posted by Neo
Already happened. The remnants of the San Francisco family (something like 5 members) merged with the Los Angeles Family and the remnants of the Los Angeles Family (something like 10 members) merged with the Gambino family.

Merged with Gambinos? So they are on west coast now?

Re: mixing\merging families [Re: MeyerLansky] #933523
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Im not so sure that actually holds true today..

Re: mixing\merging families [Re: SimonChen] #933526
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Originally Posted by SimonChen
Originally Posted by Neo
Already happened. The remnants of the San Francisco family (something like 5 members) merged with the Los Angeles Family and the remnants of the Los Angeles Family (something like 10 members) merged with the Gambino family.

Merged with Gambinos? So they are on west coast now?

i think that sal gambino son is the boss there
his name is tommy, but i'm not too sure about it..
but if they really merged with the gambinos then he have to be capo..

Re: mixing\merging families [Re: Aces] #933527
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aces what do you mean ?

Re: mixing\merging families [Re: MeyerLansky] #933529
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From what i know, the gambino’s dont currently have any active crews on the west coast. You may have a made guy living out there who is inactive.

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Re: mixing\merging families [Re: MeyerLansky] #933533
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so your saying that the LA family are defunct ?

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Yes, thats what i have been told numerous times.

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And did the opposite happened in the past? Any splits within a family?


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It's been well over 20 years since I've heard anyone in northern California's poker circles mention an Italian name.


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Re: mixing\merging families [Re: Hollander] #933554
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Originally Posted by Hollander
And did the opposite happened in the past? Any splits within a family?


Rochester splitted from Buffalo,the rizzutos from the bonannos.

Re: mixing\merging families [Re: The_Rooster] #933583
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Originally Posted by The_Rooster
What was Localzo a boss of in 2006?


He was the boss of the Tampa/Trafficante crime family. Here's a good article on the so-called "Kingpin of No Kingdom:"
http://www.sptimes.com/2007/11/25/Hillsborough/Kingpin_of_no_kingdom.shtml

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Originally Posted by SimonChen
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Already happened. The remnants of the San Francisco family (something like 5 members) merged with the Los Angeles Family and the remnants of the Los Angeles Family (something like 10 members) merged with the Gambino family.

Merged with Gambinos? So they are on west coast now?


The remnants of the Los Angeles Family are now a Gambino crew.

Re: mixing\merging families [Re: MeyerLansky] #933606
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Originally Posted by MeyerLansky
so your saying that the LA family are defunct ?


Yes.

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Don't forget that Donnie Shacks of the Colombos is out west. Had the fling with Elizabeth Hurley. I've heard everything about his status ranging from retired nobody to underboss. He, and perhaps other Colombos, could have something going on.

I've seen before that the Dragnas became a Gambino crew. If this is the case, is there a Gambino captain residing in LA? As far as I know, Isgro is a soldier.


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Originally Posted by OakAsFan
Don't forget that Donnie Shacks of the Colombos is out west. Had the fling with Elizabeth Hurley. I've heard everything about his status ranging from retired nobody to underboss. He, and perhaps other Colombos, could have something going on.

I've seen before that the Dragnas became a Gambino crew. If this is the case, is there a Gambino captain residing in LA? As far as I know, Isgro is a soldier.


I'd imagine it's only a small outfit with nothing major going on. If the LA crew had a fully-fledged Gambino captain I'd be surprised. More like a first among equals soldier or a acting captain. The LA crew are DeCavalcante-like and not on par with New York made guys.

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So then LA isn't really a Gambino crew, just a collection of Gambino guys who are in LA and, and answer to a NY captain? I've heard Isgro answers to someone in NY.


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Originally Posted by OakAsFan
So then LA isn't really a Gambino crew, just a collection of Gambino guys who are in LA and, and answer to a NY captain? I've heard Isgro answers to someone in NY.



Former LA family members, not Gambino guys from NY. Maybe they do answer to a captain back in NY.

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What about that guy ISGRO that is in C.A.

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I have a friend I grew up with who is with the Luc's he has a book in C.A. he loves it
Feels like he will.never get caught

Does not even want to do business here in N.Y.
He gets treated like he is AL Cappone out there

Everyone pays nobody runs to anybody to try to get anything squashed nothing like N.Y.C.

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Originally Posted by Neo
Originally Posted by OakAsFan
Don't forget that Donnie Shacks of the Colombos is out west. Had the fling with Elizabeth Hurley. I've heard everything about his status ranging from retired nobody to underboss. He, and perhaps other Colombos, could have something going on.

I've seen before that the Dragnas became a Gambino crew. If this is the case, is there a Gambino captain residing in LA? As far as I know, Isgro is a soldier.


I'd imagine it's only a small outfit with nothing major going on. If the LA crew had a fully-fledged Gambino captain I'd be surprised. More like a first among equals soldier or a acting captain. The LA crew are DeCavalcante-like and not on par with New York made guys.


After Montemarano's release from prison in 1996, he moved to LA to be close to Carmine Persico, who was at Butner. Persico and Montemarano were best friends in the 60s, 70s, and 80s. It is unknown if Montemarano ever served as a conduit from LA to NY, but he seemed to retire by the late 90s. Because of his friendship with many football players, there were allegations of match-fixing and bookmaking but nothing was ever proven. He had a fling with Liz Hurley and was photographed holding her hand. In 2001, he was arrested for assaulting his girlfriend (not Liz Hurley). He got a hefty six year sentence and was released in 07. In 2011, after the arrests of the entire Colombo admin on the streets, Donnie Shacks and Tom Farese were called in to run the family in interim. Montemarano was acting underboss and Farese (a capo from Florida) was acting consigliere. Montemarano was thought to be more of a leader than Farese was during this time. After most of the wiseguys arrested were out of jail within five years, I doubt Montemarano is still acting underboss now. It has been confirmed that Farese moved back to Florida, so that's something.

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Originally Posted by BensonHURST
What about that guy ISGRO that is in C.A.


I don't know anything about him.

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Originally Posted by BensonHURST
I have a friend I grew up with who is with the Luc's he has a book in C.A. he loves it
Feels like he will.never get caught

Does not even want to do business here in N.Y.
He gets treated like he is AL Cappone out there

Everyone pays nobody runs to anybody to try to get anything squashed nothing like N.Y.C.





If he is in LA that sounds like a good life.

I've always wanted to live in LA but I'm not from the US so I can't move there because US has strict immigration laws:(

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Originally Posted by NickyfromTampa
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Originally Posted by OakAsFan
Don't forget that Donnie Shacks of the Colombos is out west. Had the fling with Elizabeth Hurley. I've heard everything about his status ranging from retired nobody to underboss. He, and perhaps other Colombos, could have something going on.

I've seen before that the Dragnas became a Gambino crew. If this is the case, is there a Gambino captain residing in LA? As far as I know, Isgro is a soldier.


I'd imagine it's only a small outfit with nothing major going on. If the LA crew had a fully-fledged Gambino captain I'd be surprised. More like a first among equals soldier or a acting captain. The LA crew are DeCavalcante-like and not on par with New York made guys.


After Montemarano's release from prison in 1996, he moved to LA to be close to Carmine Persico, who was at Butner. Persico and Montemarano were best friends in the 60s, 70s, and 80s. It is unknown if Montemarano ever served as a conduit from LA to NY, but he seemed to retire by the late 90s. Because of his friendship with many football players, there were allegations of match-fixing and bookmaking but nothing was ever proven. He had a fling with Liz Hurley and was photographed holding her hand. In 2001, he was arrested for assaulting his girlfriend (not Liz Hurley). He got a hefty six year sentence and was released in 07. In 2011, after the arrests of the entire Colombo admin on the streets, Donnie Shacks and Tom Farese were called in to run the family in interim. Montemarano was acting underboss and Farese (a capo from Florida) was acting consigliere. Montemarano was thought to be more of a leader than Farese was during this time. After most of the wiseguys arrested were out of jail within five years, I doubt Montemarano is still acting underboss now. It has been confirmed that Farese moved back to Florida, so that's something.


Yeah Donnie Shacks started investing in movies when he moved to LA and as a result he started hanging around people in the movie industry including Liz Hurley.

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Originally Posted by Neo


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Originally Posted by Neo
Originally Posted by OakAsFan
Don't forget that Donnie Shacks of the Colombos is out west. Had the fling with Elizabeth Hurley. I've heard everything about his status ranging from retired nobody to underboss. He, and perhaps other Colombos, could have something going on.

I've seen before that the Dragnas became a Gambino crew. If this is the case, is there a Gambino captain residing in LA? As far as I know, Isgro is a soldier.


I'd imagine it's only a small outfit with nothing major going on. If the LA crew had a fully-fledged Gambino captain I'd be surprised. More like a first among equals soldier or a acting captain. The LA crew are DeCavalcante-like and not on par with New York made guys.


After Montemarano's release from prison in 1996, he moved to LA to be close to Carmine Persico, who was at Butner. Persico and Montemarano were best friends in the 60s, 70s, and 80s. It is unknown if Montemarano ever served as a conduit from LA to NY, but he seemed to retire by the late 90s. Because of his friendship with many football players, there were allegations of match-fixing and bookmaking but nothing was ever proven. He had a fling with Liz Hurley and was photographed holding her hand. In 2001, he was arrested for assaulting his girlfriend (not Liz Hurley). He got a hefty six year sentence and was released in 07. In 2011, after the arrests of the entire Colombo admin on the streets, Donnie Shacks and Tom Farese were called in to run the family in interim. Montemarano was acting underboss and Farese (a capo from Florida) was acting consigliere. Montemarano was thought to be more of a leader than Farese was during this time. After most of the wiseguys arrested were out of jail within five years, I doubt Montemarano is still acting underboss now. It has been confirmed that Farese moved back to Florida, so that's something.


Yeah Donnie Shacks started investing in movies when he moved to LA and as a result he started hanging around people in the movie industry including Liz Hurley.



You seen Night at the Golden Eagle? He starred in that one, for a B movie I thought it was alright.

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