If I remember well in raab's 5 families its said that after 3 colombo war Massino wanted with the Luccheses to absorb what remained of the colombo family.

It's not one family cultivate rats ! The thing that's creates rats are obviously guys getting busted!

The more old lucrative rackets you have the better the family is . When a family is down weather it's due to war or busts the remaining members are hungry for money, when you are hungry for money you make bad decisions and that leads to arrests and that leads to rats.

It has nothing to do with the Colombo's it has to do with there history!!!!

It takes time to rebuild and rebound from what they have been through, and it's been a while, take a look at what they have been through it's a wonder they are even viable .

That's true, their entire family has had more internal strife than even a single faction of the entire Genovese.

However, I must say that poor quality begets poor quality. It's true in business as well as crime syndicates (I guess). Having just visited the Microsoft store I found it empty, while the apple store across the way was packed (and this was in Seattle!).

Poor quality members gravitate towards the Colombo's and Bonanno's rather than, say, the Genovese. Rarely do we hear of Genovese members invading a home and tying up elderly people. Colombo/Bonanno tend to take more risks, and engage in violence unnecessarily, and ultimately, rat out.

(Also, I think it has a lot to do with Brooklyn. Pizza had this same theory, and I know it's controversial)

The real ruin of the colombos are the the persico family,if Orena should won the war the family would be in better shape.

The real ruin of the colombos are the the persico family,if Orena should won the war the family would be in better shape.

Hard to say how the Orena's would have turned out , the grass always looks greener on the other side of the fence .

The two families have reconciled and the Orena's are mingling and using the Persico's spoiles together.

Orena caused the war and is responsible for the demise of the Colombo family as a result.

The Snake get 150 y and wanted to rule from prison,if he really wanted the best for the family he would stepped down and made Orena boss.

Kinda think anthony spero handled all relations with the other bk families. Orena order that guy oceras murder on long island over stupid shit getting caught with loan shark records. Bullshit reason to die think gotti eggd him on to. That did him n not persico.

Kinda think anthony spero handled all relations with the other bk families. Orena order that guy oceras murder on long island over stupid shit getting caught with loan shark records. Bullshit reason to die think gotti eggd him on to. That did him n not persico.

Money can be paid back. I read in deal with the devil . Ocera was rich owned some big restaurant/caterers thing on long island and had some type of beef with someone close to john sr. That murder came from orena.

True, but still doesn't excuse Orena's betrayal.

Orena don't betrayl nobody: he was street boss and asked carmine sessa to poll the capos if was ok if he would become boss but Sessa said it to persico and so started the war. Orena wouldn't be the first acting or street boss to be appointed as official boss.

Orena was appointed acting boss by Carmine and it was made clear to everyone that this promotion was only until his son got out of prison. Orena has no business trying to poll the capo's and that wouldn't have worked anyway. The capo's can't decide on a new official boss, only the commission can do that.

In the early 1990s all the bosses was in jail and the commission can't decide anything otherwise the war wouldnt start. Orena asked Sessa and maybe the capos would prefered a boss on the streets that a boss in jail or a boss that gained the rules only because was the official boss son. In fact the orena faction would win without Scarpa sr and devecchio.

Then orena ok them to kill the guy jack leale or something like that he was a made guy and a funeral home guy. He made alot of bodys disappear. And oceras body was found. In the scarpa book they try to put it on scarpa but the orders came from orena. Im sure tons of the evidence used against vic was obtained in illegal ways by the feds and scarpa planting shit and giving made up hearsay.

he did something to piss off gotti this is 89 rite when gotti was telling oreana to take over the family carmines a rat. read it somewere. i didnt even know the guy was in on the gas racket so he was really rich. stealing i doubt it.