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Re: Fahrenheit 9/11
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08/18/04 01:02 PM
08/18/04 01:02 PM
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Originally posted by Krlea: [quote]Originally posted by DonsAdvisor: [b] Do people that haven't seen "Starsky and Hutch" get on movie messageboards to argue about crime and punishment? Do people that haven't seen "50 First Dates" get on messageboards to argue about dating?
I get your point, but this wasn't the best way to make it. Heck yeah, I can argue about dating even though I haven't (I have by the way) seen 50 First Dates. Everyone has the right to their opinion. Besides I think the majority of America is sick to death of Farenheit 9-11 scenes playing over and over on t.v. This is one film that you do not need to spend $8 on to have an opinion. [/b][/quote]Of course everyone has a right to their opinion. My point was simply that it is off-topic to discuss dating or Christianity in general if the forum is about "50 First Dates" or the "Passion" in particular. It is easy enough to start new topics about dating or Christianity or politics in general without wasting the time of people who want to focus on the films.
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Re: Fahrenheit 9/11
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08/18/04 11:55 PM
08/18/04 11:55 PM
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This thread is heading toward plain name-calling. I think I've already cleared up questions about a movie, but it's supporters seem to have perfected dodging direct questions and filling their responses with pointless rhetoric.
Everyone has a right to their opinion, but it becomes a problem when people start spinning the truth, or saying that someone else is lying just because they don't agree with it. It'd be alright if someone said, "I know Fahrenheit 9/11 is a propaganda film and completely inaccurate, and Moore is a lying ass. But I like it, support it, and am entertained by it." But that never happens.
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Re: Fahrenheit 9/11
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09/05/04 12:58 AM
09/05/04 12:58 AM
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Ok, call me a "big fat instigator", but I heard this on "Extra" tonight, yet haven't been able to find anything else to verify how "true" it is. And..it appropriate to post in this thread. I guess I am just still amazed on how hated MM is and how this film gets everyone's tempers flaring when 99 percent of the people here haven't seen it. Pat & Irishman...listen up Michael Moore is trying to get a tv network (don't know which) to broadcast F-911 on tv the day before the election. The report said that if it was broadcast on tv, and if it was considered an oscar contender, it would be disqualified (don't know the specific reasons) and he would have to forfeit any awards he may have gotten for the film be. MM says he is perfectly willing to do that. Now, don't jump on me, I am just reporting what I heard. Your thoughts!! TIS
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Re: Fahrenheit 9/11
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09/05/04 01:39 AM
09/05/04 01:39 AM
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Originally posted by Double-J: [quote]Originally posted by Vito The Godfather: [b] [quote]Originally posted by Double-J: [b] quote: Originally posted by Vito The Godfather: Playing golf, enjoying it with the kids while the Twin Towers in NYC are falling down. He might've been having so much fun at his ranch in Texas while the WTC were being attacked. Running so much fuck*** money with the fucken Saudis, who would put up any hard work to improve a nation? As others have stated about this topic, it's beaten to a dead horse, and it's a spin, no doubt. But my question throughout the whole thing is this: Why is it ABHORRENT for President Bush to be playing golf, but it is OKEY-DOKIE for President Clinton to be receiving blowjobs in the Oval Office? :rolleyes: :p [/b][/quote]"Even though he's on vacations, he'll still be working for a stronger AMERICA". [/b][/quote]President Bush works on his vacations, as most Presidents do. However, if you want to get into bullshit, let's talk about congressional breaks and lame duck sessions. :rolleyes: HAhahaha What bullshit? What do you have to say about Michael Moore? How about we talk about the winner of oscar “Bowling for Columbine”. Ehm some people naming him as one of the greatest directors of the history in the Cinema is ok to me. I'm sure he dedicated this movie to the Iraqi people and all of those who suffer because of US imperialism; plus may I emphasize the fact that millions of his compatriots, americans themselves, share the exact same opinion as him. A movie that makes fun of Bush.
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Re: Fahrenheit 9/11
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09/05/04 10:36 AM
09/05/04 10:36 AM
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Originally posted by The Italian Stallionette: Michael Moore is trying to get a tv network (don't know which) to broadcast F-911 on tv the day before the election. The report said that if it was broadcast on tv, and if it was considered an oscar contender, it would be disqualified (don't know the specific reasons) and he would have to forfeit any awards he may have gotten for the film be. MM says he is perfectly willing to do that.
That is true. He would be disqualified. F 9/11 already played on a TV station in Cuba last month, but the Oscar committee found out that it was play illegally, or he would've been disqualified. If Michael Moore DOES get this movie to play on TV before the election, it will really be a slap to the face for the people who say Moore is in it for the Oscars and money. -Pat
"After every dark night, there's a bright day right after that. No matter how hard it gets, stick your chest out, keep your head up, and handle it." -Tupac Shakur
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Re: Fahrenheit 9/11
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09/05/04 11:39 AM
09/05/04 11:39 AM
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Are there any Democrats on this Board? You all seem so devoted to your beloved Bush! I have seen and enjoyed Bowling For Columbine and Farenheit 9/11 but neither I nor anybody I know accepts everthing Moore says as fact as his films and opinions are so blatently biased and exaggerated. And yet so many Americans are outraged by Moore's films. Any Taoisech (Prime Minister) in Irish history could be slated and mocked in a similar fashion and would find few followers as adamant as Bush's in defending every petty criticism he receives in the press and rejecting any suggestions that Bush is anything but a perfect being! Perhaps you have all succumbed to Republican/Bush propaganda!
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Re: Fahrenheit 9/11
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09/05/04 04:48 PM
09/05/04 04:48 PM
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Originally posted by Partagas: [quote]Originally posted by Patrick: [b] [quote]Originally posted by DonMichaelCorleone: [b]...When Bush was playing golf he was talking about the attacks in Israel I believe and nothing to do with the WTC. I have to disagree. Bush said nothing about Israel OR the attacks on 9/11. He just said that, "We are attacking terrorism with force. Now watch this fairway." :p -Pat [/b][/quote]Correct Pat! In Fahrenheit 9/11, Bush does not say anything about Israel in the quote referred. However, he also never mentions anything regarding WTC, al Qaeda, etc... It is just another brilliant example of Mr. Moore taking something out of context. A check of the raw tape reveals the President is talking about an attack against Israel, carried out by a Palestinian suicide bomber. [/b][/quote]OK? But Moore doesn't hint what it's about. Someone asks what the current status is on terrorism, then he replies with that answer. -Pat
"After every dark night, there's a bright day right after that. No matter how hard it gets, stick your chest out, keep your head up, and handle it." -Tupac Shakur
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Re: Fahrenheit 9/11
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09/05/04 05:08 PM
09/05/04 05:08 PM
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Originally posted by Vito The Godfather: [quote]Originally posted by Double-J: [b] [quote]Originally posted by Vito The Godfather: [b] quote: Originally posted by Double-J: quote: Originally posted by Vito The Godfather: Playing golf, enjoying it with the kids while the Twin Towers in NYC are falling down. He might've been having so much fun at his ranch in Texas while the WTC were being attacked. Running so much fuck*** money with the fucken Saudis, who would put up any hard work to improve a nation? As others have stated about this topic, it's beaten to a dead horse, and it's a spin, no doubt. But my question throughout the whole thing is this: Why is it ABHORRENT for President Bush to be playing golf, but it is OKEY-DOKIE for President Clinton to be receiving blowjobs in the Oval Office? :rolleyes: :p [/b][/quote]"Even though he's on vacations, he'll still be working for a stronger AMERICA". [/b][/quote]President Bush works on his vacations, as most Presidents do. However, if you want to get into bullshit, let's talk about congressional breaks and lame duck sessions. :rolleyes: HAhahaha What bullshit? What do you have to say about Michael Moore? How about we talk about the winner of oscar “Bowling for Columbine”. Ehm some people naming him as one of the greatest directors of the history in the Cinema is ok to me. I'm sure he dedicated this movie to the Iraqi people and all of those who suffer because of US imperialism; plus may I emphasize the fact that millions of his compatriots, americans themselves, share the exact same opinion as him. A movie that makes fun of Bush. The "bullshit" I was referring to was the vacation time. Of course, you could have read my post and understood that.
Millions of his "compatriots" also disagree with him. And how about the people who are free and live better because of American "imperialism."
Forgive me if I think the world would be in some serious shit without the USA. Let's go back to Europe circa Chamberlain-era Britain, eh? Except replace Hitler with Islamic Terrorists.
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Re: Fahrenheit 9/11
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09/05/04 05:28 PM
09/05/04 05:28 PM
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Vito The Godfather
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Originally posted by Double-J: [quote]Originally posted by Vito The Godfather: [b] [quote]Originally posted by Double-J: [b] quote: Originally posted by Vito The Godfather: quote: Originally posted by Double-J: quote: Originally posted by Vito The Godfather: Playing golf, enjoying it with the kids while the Twin Towers in NYC are falling down. He might've been having so much fun at his ranch in Texas while the WTC were being attacked. Running so much fuck*** money with the fucken Saudis, who would put up any hard work to improve a nation? As others have stated about this topic, it's beaten to a dead horse, and it's a spin, no doubt. But my question throughout the whole thing is this: Why is it ABHORRENT for President Bush to be playing golf, but it is OKEY-DOKIE for President Clinton to be receiving blowjobs in the Oval Office? :rolleyes: :p [/b][/quote]"Even though he's on vacations, he'll still be working for a stronger AMERICA". [/b][/quote]President Bush works on his vacations, as most Presidents do. However, if you want to get into bullshit, let's talk about congressional breaks and lame duck sessions. :rolleyes: HAhahaha What bullshit? What do you have to say about Michael Moore? How about we talk about the winner of oscar “Bowling for Columbine”. Ehm some people naming him as one of the greatest directors of the history in the Cinema is ok to me. I'm sure he dedicated this movie to the Iraqi people and all of those who suffer because of US imperialism; plus may I emphasize the fact that millions of his compatriots, americans themselves, share the exact same opinion as him. A movie that makes fun of Bush. The "bullshit" I was referring to was the vacation time. Of course, you could have read my post and understood that.
Millions of his "compatriots" also disagree with him. And how about the people who are free and live better because of American "imperialism."
Forgive me if I think the world would be in some serious shit without the USA. Let's go back to Europe circa Chamberlain-era Britain, eh? Except replace Hitler with Islamic Terrorists. Definately. USA is still a powerful country, not only because of its military power but, with the most important value, the power. So was Germany with Hitler. They loved him anyways. And who knows how the world would be without USA. Russia used to be one of the most powerful nations in the world years ago, and now they are shit. :rolleyes:
"It is the mind that makes someone wise or ignorant, slave or free."
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Re: Fahrenheit 9/11
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09/05/04 06:21 PM
09/05/04 06:21 PM
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Originally posted by Vito The Godfather: [quote]Originally posted by Double-J: [b] [quote]Originally posted by Vito The Godfather: [b] quote: Originally posted by Double-J: quote: Originally posted by Vito The Godfather: quote: Originally posted by Double-J: quote: Originally posted by Vito The Godfather: Playing golf, enjoying it with the kids while the Twin Towers in NYC are falling down. He might've been having so much fun at his ranch in Texas while the WTC were being attacked. Running so much fuck*** money with the fucken Saudis, who would put up any hard work to improve a nation? As others have stated about this topic, it's beaten to a dead horse, and it's a spin, no doubt. But my question throughout the whole thing is this: Why is it ABHORRENT for President Bush to be playing golf, but it is OKEY-DOKIE for President Clinton to be receiving blowjobs in the Oval Office? :rolleyes: :p [/b][/quote]"Even though he's on vacations, he'll still be working for a stronger AMERICA". [/b][/quote]President Bush works on his vacations, as most Presidents do. However, if you want to get into bullshit, let's talk about congressional breaks and lame duck sessions. :rolleyes: HAhahaha What bullshit? What do you have to say about Michael Moore? How about we talk about the winner of oscar “Bowling for Columbine”. Ehm some people naming him as one of the greatest directors of the history in the Cinema is ok to me. I'm sure he dedicated this movie to the Iraqi people and all of those who suffer because of US imperialism; plus may I emphasize the fact that millions of his compatriots, americans themselves, share the exact same opinion as him. A movie that makes fun of Bush. The "bullshit" I was referring to was the vacation time. Of course, you could have read my post and understood that.
Millions of his "compatriots" also disagree with him. And how about the people who are free and live better because of American "imperialism."
Forgive me if I think the world would be in some serious shit without the USA. Let's go back to Europe circa Chamberlain-era Britain, eh? Except replace Hitler with Islamic Terrorists. Russia used to be one of the most powerful nations in the world years ago, and now they are shit. :rolleyes: That's because they were communists.
"After every dark night, there's a bright day right after that. No matter how hard it gets, stick your chest out, keep your head up, and handle it." -Tupac Shakur
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Re: Fahrenheit 9/11
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09/06/04 12:41 AM
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Director Michael Moore has offered to take US Senator John McCain to see Fahrenheit 9/11, after the politician slammed his controversial film. At the Republican National Convention on Monday, guest speaker McCain prompted boos against Moore after denouncing the documentary, which attacked American President George W. Bush's handling of the September 11 terrorist attacks. McCain called Moore - who was covering the event at New York's Madison Square Garden for newspaper USA Today - "a disingenuous film-maker who would have us believe that Saddam (Hussein)'s Iraq was an oasis of peace". And Moore made an appearance on comedian David Letterman's chat show Wednesday night, where he encountered more boos - coupled with cheers - and offered to take McCain to the cinema. Moore told Letterman, "He hasn't seen it yet. I'll take him to the movies while he's here in New York. It's just playing down the street and if he doesn't like it, afterwards I'll let him pummel me like you suggested!" McCain, a booked guest on the show, later shot back, "I admire his skills as a movie maker and certainly admire his success at making money. Seems like he could afford a shave and a haircut!"
"After every dark night, there's a bright day right after that. No matter how hard it gets, stick your chest out, keep your head up, and handle it." -Tupac Shakur
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Re: Fahrenheit 9/11
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09/07/04 11:09 PM
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Ooh...MM really showed John McCain...yeah. :rolleyes: Somehow a real war hero like McCain, a POW, looms in comparison to a guy who should have been the main character in the "Super Size Me" film, or perhaps the next Ruben impersonator on Survivor. Oops, we can't attack anyone. It's dirty pool. I guess all I can do is say he is "unfit to be a filmmaker."
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Re: Fahrenheit 9/11
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09/08/04 11:40 PM
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Patrick, I don't understand your support of Moore. Earlier, I outlined Moore's entire film and proved it to be a propaganda film, taking everything out of context, and revealing it to be full of sh*t. I can get into other Moore sh*t, or his last film. I would like to debate you about this guy.
"Today I settled all family business, so don't tell me you're innocent, Carlo-" Michael Corleone
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Re: Fahrenheit 9/11
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09/09/04 04:24 PM
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Originally posted by Signore Sole Aumentante: Earlier, I outlined Moore's entire film and proved it to be a propaganda film, taking everything out of context, and revealing it to be full of sh*t. Almost all of Sergei Eisenstein's films were nothing more than propaganda, his most noted being Battleship Potemkin; funny how he's often hailed as the most influential director ever. Alfred Hitchcock's Foreign Correspondent was considered to be one of the greatest pieces of propaganda at the time. Not sure if you've heard of either of those two directors, though. Mick
...dot com bold typeface rhetoric. You go clickety click and get your head split. 'The hell you look like on a message board Discussing whether or not the Brother is hardcore?
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Re: Fahrenheit 9/11
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09/09/04 04:33 PM
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Originally posted by Patrick: [quote]Originally posted by Vito The Godfather: [b] [quote]Originally posted by Double-J: [b] quote: Originally posted by Vito The Godfather: quote: Originally posted by Double-J: quote: Originally posted by Vito The Godfather: quote: Originally posted by Double-J: quote: Originally posted by Vito The Godfather: Playing golf, enjoying it with the kids while the Twin Towers in NYC are falling down. He might've been having so much fun at his ranch in Texas while the WTC were being attacked. Running so much fuck*** money with the fucken Saudis, who would put up any hard work to improve a nation? As others have stated about this topic, it's beaten to a dead horse, and it's a spin, no doubt. But my question throughout the whole thing is this: Why is it ABHORRENT for President Bush to be playing golf, but it is OKEY-DOKIE for President Clinton to be receiving blowjobs in the Oval Office? :rolleyes: :p [/b][/quote]"Even though he's on vacations, he'll still be working for a stronger AMERICA". [/b][/quote]President Bush works on his vacations, as most Presidents do. However, if you want to get into bullshit, let's talk about congressional breaks and lame duck sessions. :rolleyes: HAhahaha What bullshit? What do you have to say about Michael Moore? How about we talk about the winner of oscar “Bowling for Columbine”. Ehm some people naming him as one of the greatest directors of the history in the Cinema is ok to me. I'm sure he dedicated this movie to the Iraqi people and all of those who suffer because of US imperialism; plus may I emphasize the fact that millions of his compatriots, americans themselves, share the exact same opinion as him. A movie that makes fun of Bush. The "bullshit" I was referring to was the vacation time. Of course, you could have read my post and understood that.
Millions of his "compatriots" also disagree with him. And how about the people who are free and live better because of American "imperialism."
Forgive me if I think the world would be in some serious shit without the USA. Let's go back to Europe circa Chamberlain-era Britain, eh? Except replace Hitler with Islamic Terrorists. Russia used to be one of the most powerful nations in the world years ago, and now they are shit. :rolleyes: That's because they were communists. You mean like this one, Apple? Yes, I agree, it's getting ridiculous.
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Re: Fahrenheit 9/11
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09/09/04 04:40 PM
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Originally posted by Letizia B.: [quote]Originally posted by Patrick: [b] [quote]Originally posted by Vito The Godfather: [b] quote: Originally posted by Double-J: quote: Originally posted by Vito The Godfather: quote: Originally posted by Double-J: quote: Originally posted by Vito The Godfather: quote: Originally posted by Double-J: quote: Originally posted by Vito The Godfather: Playing golf, enjoying it with the kids while the Twin Towers in NYC are falling down. He might've been having so much fun at his ranch in Texas while the WTC were being attacked. Running so much fuck*** money with the fucken Saudis, who would put up any hard work to improve a nation? As others have stated about this topic, it's beaten to a dead horse, and it's a spin, no doubt. But my question throughout the whole thing is this: Why is it ABHORRENT for President Bush to be playing golf, but it is OKEY-DOKIE for President Clinton to be receiving blowjobs in the Oval Office? :rolleyes: :p [/b][/quote]"Even though he's on vacations, he'll still be working for a stronger AMERICA". [/b][/quote]President Bush works on his vacations, as most Presidents do. However, if you want to get into bullshit, let's talk about congressional breaks and lame duck sessions. :rolleyes: HAhahaha What bullshit? What do you have to say about Michael Moore? How about we talk about the winner of oscar “Bowling for Columbine”. Ehm some people naming him as one of the greatest directors of the history in the Cinema is ok to me. I'm sure he dedicated this movie to the Iraqi people and all of those who suffer because of US imperialism; plus may I emphasize the fact that millions of his compatriots, americans themselves, share the exact same opinion as him. A movie that makes fun of Bush. The "bullshit" I was referring to was the vacation time. Of course, you could have read my post and understood that.
Millions of his "compatriots" also disagree with him. And how about the people who are free and live better because of American "imperialism."
Forgive me if I think the world would be in some serious shit without the USA. Let's go back to Europe circa Chamberlain-era Britain, eh? Except replace Hitler with Islamic Terrorists. Russia used to be one of the most powerful nations in the world years ago, and now they are shit. :rolleyes: That's because they were communists. You mean like this one, Apple? Yes, I agree, it's getting ridiculous. Why, YES Letizia B.!!
That's EXACTLY what I'm referring to!
How excellent of you to catch on...!!
Apple
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Re: Fahrenheit 9/11
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10/27/04 07:23 PM
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Patrick, I read this on imdb and thought it might make you laugh as well. "American President George W. Bush has topped an unlikely poll in Britain - as this year's top screen villain. Bush won the dubious accolade for his unauthorized appearance in Michael Moore's anti-Bush documentary Fahrenheit 9/11. The politician beat out the likes of Doc Ock, played by Alfred Molina, in Spider-Man 2; The Texas Chainsaw Massacre's Leatherface; Andy Serkis' Gollum from Lord Of The Rings trilogy; and Elle Driver, the assassin played by Daryl Hannah in Kill Bill. Almost 10,000 people voted in the poll, conducted by Total Film Magazine."
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