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Was Christie Tick only Commission case release? #919169
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I thought about this....If Bruno didn't pull some kind of family connection (to get released early, my belief since his Uncle was close to high ranked politician), would he have also been released under the same terms that Christie Tick was? 40 year sentenced turned to like 12? Come On!
Christie's was not a compassionate release cause look at Sonny Franzese.

Because they were sentenced in like 1985, life sentences weren't set in stone or something. I know there was a loophole.

Therefore Bruno wouldn't have been involved in the Santoro hit that got him the additional 20 and would be a free man now....Why was a Capo involved in a hit to begin with? Isn't that usually done by lower ranks.

Also, was Bruno born in 1947 or 1956? Wikipedia has 2 different dates, as does other sites.

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No. Anthony "Bruno" Indelicato was released in 97' or 98', then was sentenced in 08' to twenty years, but just needs to serve 15 years, so he will be out in 22' or 23' Bruno was born when Sonny Red was hanging around members of the Genovese and Profaci families, so 1947 would be the correct year.


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Re: Was Christie Tick only Commission case release? [Re: ItalianIrishMix] #919181
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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mafia_Commission_Trial

ANTHONY INDELICATO
Register Number: 19706-054
Age: 70
Race: White
Sex: Male
Located at: Oklahoma City FTC
Release Date: 09/28/2023


Anthony "Bruno" Indelicato born in 1947 (as is write in inmate locator) get 40 y during the commission trial for galante hit but served only 13 years and was released in 2000 on parole, but returned to prison in summer 2001 for eight months after violating parole by meeting with known Bonanno family members. He then served 2 more years for a parole violation in February 2004. On December 16, 2008, he was sentenced to 20 years in federal prison for the 2001 murder of Frank Santoro.

I don't know why served only 13 y and get paroled,maybe had a good lawyer or maybe the feds think that after so much time Bruno won't be welcomed by bonannos and maybe would flip anyway he is a stand up guy and don't flipped even when get 20 years in 2008.

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Carmine persico lawyers are trying to get him paroled like christy tics did. He got parole. Think his argument was he wasnt a commission member in 1979 the year galante was sentenced to death by the commission. Persico saying he wasnt boss till nov 1980. And scarpas 302s are the proof. Which is true. Its come out by massino phill rustelli orderd galantes death he was his boss so its all screwed up. They denied persico parole anyway.

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Originally Posted By: pmac
Carmine persico lawyers are trying to get him paroled like christy tics did. He got parole. Think his argument was he wasnt a commission member in 1979 the year galante was sentenced to death by the commission. Persico saying he wasnt boss till nov 1980. And scarpas 302s are the proof. Which is true. Its come out by massino phill rustelli orderd galantes death he was his boss so its all screwed up. They denied persico parole anyway.


Persico wasn't boss until november 1980 ? And who was the boss from colombo shooting to november 1980 ? The snake would try everything to come out alive from prison.

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Re: Was Christie Tick only Commission case release? [Re: ItalianIrishMix] #919229
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There was no parole in the federal system for convicts convicted after September 1987. If you were convicted after that date you can only be released by a judge.


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Re: Was Christie Tick only Commission case release? [Re: furio_from_naples] #919236
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@Furio.

I always thought Persico was the official Boss after the death of Joe Colombo. Even if he wasn't the Boss in-name; He had the final say in everything that went on in that family. Didn't Persico oppose the murder of Galante?

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Chris Furnari wasn't a compassionate release. His lawyer was able to conivince the parole board that the evidence of his part in the Commission murdering Galange was weak and should not be part of his parole considerations. That made him eligible for an earlier release.


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Re: Was Christie Tick only Commission case release? [Re: ItalianIrishMix] #919240
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Persico was the Boss. He just wants out of jail. He will say and do anything to get released. I would too.

@Furio - What is the timeline from Columbo death until Nov. 1980.


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Re: Was Christie Tick only Commission case release? [Re: ItalianIrishMix] #919244
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Pegleg Brancato was the acting boss after Colombo, but yeah they say he was a placeholder for Persico.


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@Malandrino

Didn't Persico have like 5 place-holders as Acting Boss during the 70's?


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So Christy still isnt dead.. hes been out what 2 yrs now? I dont think hes gettin ssi considering he pry never paid taxes in his life.. does anyone think hes back involved in some capacity?.. is he mentally all there anyone know? For what its worth when he went away he was in good shape and the one mugshot of him he looks like a slightly older Darryl Moose Johnston Fox NfL broadcaster/former Dallas Cowgirls FB (google the pics im fuckin spot on) lol


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He's 90 + years old. Christy Tick is shitting in his diaper and spending time with his family.


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Re: Was Christie Tick only Commission case release? [Re: Ryan98366] #919258
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Originally Posted By: Ryan98366
He's 90 + years old. Christy Tick is shitting in his diaper and spending time with his family.


Ryan- i hear ya, people keep saying that and that he was at deaths door in 2015 yet hes still here, havent heard or a seen a peep outta him.. i mean Sonny was running a crew, fingering strippers, and extorting guys his grandsons age anf Christy Tick is just as smart, ruthless, and tough from the same old school... i know logically ur pry right.. but its possible you're wrong


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Re: Was Christie Tick only Commission case release? [Re: ItalianIrishMix] #919261
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Carlo gambino and the rest of the bosses choose thomas dibella as the new boss around 74 75. Carmine persico just started his 10 yr bid and wouldnt be freed till 1979. Michael franzese scarpa jr and a few others have told the feds dibella was the official boss even thou he was a place holder for persico. The commission asked dibella to step down for carmine and he didnt have a problem with it in nov 1980 according to scarpa. They know he wasnt the boss i think he was the underboss threwout tue whole 70tys. The feds never want him free.

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Dibella also made colombo sons carmine persico wouldnt have. And mike franz and scarpa jr have given interview how the boss dibella personally inducted them. Dibella made carmines brother allie the consig around 76. He was only recently made cause he was in prison since the 50tys. Surposely gambino opend the books for him on some sneaky shit acording to greg scarpa telling the fbi.

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Originally Posted By: Ryan98366
Persico was the Boss. He just wants out of jail. He will say and do anything to get released. I would too.

@Furio - What is the timeline from Columbo death until Nov. 1980.


Acting 1971–1972 — Joseph Yacovelli – fled, after the murder of Joe Gallo
Acting 1972–1973 – Vincenzo "Vincent" Aloi imprisoned
Acting 1973 — Joseph "Joey" Brancato – imprisoned
1973–present — Carmine "Junior" Persico – imprisoned 1973–1979,1981–1984,1985–present
Acting 1973–1979 — Thomas DiBella– stepped down, became consigliere

Re: Was Christie Tick only Commission case release? [Re: pmac] #919293
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Originally Posted By: pmac
Carlo gambino and the rest of the bosses choose thomas dibella as the new boss around 74 75. Carmine persico just started his 10 yr bid and wouldnt be freed till 1979. Michael franzese scarpa jr and a few others have told the feds dibella was the official boss even thou he was a place holder for persico. The commission asked dibella to step down for carmine and he didnt have a problem with it in nov 1980 according to scarpa. They know he wasnt the boss i think he was the underboss threwout tue whole 70tys. The feds never want him free.


If Franzese said this, I see that statement as another Thank You for Not whacking him (Of course the multi-million buy out of the life is the other)

Franzese's has credibility in the real world now so, he knows that his words could possibly get Carmine released(Doubtful he does).....BUT, if he did, Carmine might be sending Michael a fat envelope. Time will tell!

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Michael franzses wrote his first book in the early 90tys. He goes into detail about tom dibella being the boss. Carmine persico i think went to prison in 1973 after his last appeal was nulled. He was sentenced to 12 yrs i think so hed have to do like 7ish. So the commission had to put in a official boss it was gambinos friend. Like greg scarpa said to the fbi he steped down in 1980 he was a real old man by then. Carmines whole appeal for freedom is he told his cousin he didnt want to kill galante but it wasnt his vote it was dibellas. It makes sense. They should have charged him with anyone of the dozen murders he orderd from prison after the commission trial like the d.a.s father. killed by the colombos. Think hes innocent of galantes murder. Even massino cleared the whole story up he said on the stand rustelli order galantes murder it didnt have to do with other bosses. Rusty was the offical boss of the bonanno family.

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Originally Posted By: pmac
Michael franzses wrote his first book in the early 90tys. He goes into detail about tom dibella being the boss. Carmine persico i think went to prison in 1973 after his last appeal was nulled. He was sentenced to 12 yrs i think so hed have to do like 7ish. So the commission had to put in a official boss it was gambinos friend. Like greg scarpa said to the fbi he steped down in 1980 he was a real old man by then. Carmines whole appeal for freedom is he told his cousin he didnt want to kill galante but it wasnt his vote it was dibellas. It makes sense. They should have charged him with anyone of the dozen murders he orderd from prison after the commission trial like the d.a.s father. killed by the colombos. Think hes innocent of galantes murder. Even massino cleared the whole story up he said on the stand rustelli order galantes murder it didnt have to do with other bosses. Rusty was the offical boss of the bonanno family.

But then which one of the 2 versions is more likely? That it was a Commission decision with DiBella voting against or was it Rastelli alone? Even if both versions say Persico wasn't involved, still they are different, was there a vote or was it just Rastelli?

But I wonder why didn't the feds get crazy with rage after the Aronwald murder Persico ordered. Wanted a prosecutor hit, killed his father instead (a judge anyway, even an administrative one, still law enforcement) and the reaction was so-so: Cacace got 20 years, not life, and Persico wasn't charged. Even though he was already serving 170 years or something like that, still the absence of vengeful reaction against him seems out of character.

For example, when Massino flipped, there was talk about death penalty, since the Sciascia murder was committed after a new law was introduced, so allegedly Massino flipped in exchange for his life being spared, although for some insane reason they released him after 10 years only (although some people say he knew they don't use death penalty in New York any more, if I remember well). So, why didn't they get pissed at Persico for the Aronwald murder and ask for the death penalty, like they were going to for Massino? Seems out of character, usually when somebody from law enforcement is targeted or killed, the reaction is 100 times the normal one.

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Re: Was Christie Tick only Commission case release? [Re: pmac] #919324
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Originally Posted By: pmac
Michael franzses wrote his first book in the early 90tys. He goes into detail about tom dibella being the boss. Carmine persico i think went to prison in 1973 after his last appeal was nulled. He was sentenced to 12 yrs i think so hed have to do like 7ish. So the commission had to put in a official boss it was gambinos friend. Like greg scarpa said to the fbi he steped down in 1980 he was a real old man by then. Carmines whole appeal for freedom is he told his cousin he didnt want to kill galante but it wasnt his vote it was dibellas. It makes sense. They should have charged him with anyone of the dozen murders he orderd from prison after the commission trial like the d.a.s father. killed by the colombos. Think hes innocent of galantes murder. Even massino cleared the whole story up he said on the stand rustelli order galantes murder it didnt have to do with other bosses. Rusty was the offical boss of the bonanno family.


I actually also believe that he voted No on Galante....It does make some sense and his only angle to work....I guess once he saw Furnari released, he saw a possible way out.

When was the first time Carmine filed an appeal for this issue? I wasn't even a year old when Galante got whacked.

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@Pmac.

Your saying that Tom Dibella was the official Boss and place-holder; while Persico who was in prison at the time was the true power?

Is it kinda like how Carmine Tramunti was the official Boss in the Lucchese's and place-holder while Anthony Corallo was the true power?

It seems both are similar.

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Re: Was Christie Tick only Commission case release? [Re: Dwalin2011] #919373
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Originally Posted By: Dwalin2011
Originally Posted By: pmac
Michael franzses wrote his first book in the early 90tys. He goes into detail about tom dibella being the boss. Carmine persico i think went to prison in 1973 after his last appeal was nulled. He was sentenced to 12 yrs i think so hed have to do like 7ish. So the commission had to put in a official boss it was gambinos friend. Like greg scarpa said to the fbi he steped down in 1980 he was a real old man by then. Carmines whole appeal for freedom is he told his cousin he didnt want to kill galante but it wasnt his vote it was dibellas. It makes sense. They should have charged him with anyone of the dozen murders he orderd from prison after the commission trial like the d.a.s father. killed by the colombos. Think hes innocent of galantes murder. Even massino cleared the whole story up he said on the stand rustelli order galantes murder it didnt have to do with other bosses. Rusty was the offical boss of the bonanno family.

But then which one of the 2 versions is more likely? That it was a Commission decision with DiBella voting against or was it Rastelli alone? Even if both versions say Persico wasn't involved, still they are different, was there a vote or was it just Rastelli?

But I wonder why didn't the feds get crazy with rage after the Aronwald murder Persico ordered. Wanted a prosecutor hit, killed his father instead (a judge anyway, even an administrative one, still law enforcement) and the reaction was so-so: Cacace got 20 years, not life, and Persico wasn't charged. Even though he was already serving 170 years or something like that, still the absence of vengeful reaction against him seems out of character.

For example, when Massino flipped, there was talk about death penalty, since the Sciascia murder was committed after a new law was introduced, so allegedly Massino flipped in exchange for his life being spared, although for some insane reason they released him after 10 years only (although some people say he knew they don't use death penalty in New York any more, if I remember well). So, why didn't they get pissed at Persico for the Aronwald murder and ask for the death penalty, like they were going to for Massino? Seems out of character, usually when somebody from law enforcement is targeted or killed, the reaction is 100 times the normal one.


Dwalin2011,Persico passed most of his life in prison,so the death penalty wouldn't scary him while massino was 60 y old and don't wanted to die in a federal prison like florence.For the aronwald case,cacace killed both aronwald sr killers amd who killed them so was impossible to link persico to aronwald,cacace was indicted for extortion, illegal gambling and four murders,get 20 y but was lucky to be acquitted of the 4 murders.

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In Blood Covenant, Michael Franzese says in 1975 "Jo Jo introduced me to Colombo family acting boss Thomas DiBella" and that DiBella was put there by the real boss Persico.

I'd assume that if the Commission was voting to have someone killed, Persico would have to actually send out his vote from prison and not let DiBella decide the Colombo vote for him. Fred DeChristopher, whose house Persico was hiding out in later on, testified that Persico voted against killing Galante. Even if he was opposed to it, I'd assume legally he was involved in the murder. However, the legitimacy of DeChristopher's testimony is worth questioning.

Also, it doesn't seem like the Galante hit was Commission business anyway. He wasn't the boss, Rastelli was. So there was no need for a Commission vote to take him out. Pmac mentioned earlier, Massino testified that Rastelli gave the order. If I remember correctly, it was all taken care of by Bonanno members. They did meet up and were congratulated at the Ravenite afterwards, but that only shows Bonanno and Gambino involvement, not necessarily the Commission.

Even if he isn't actually guilty of involvement in the Galante killing, and I'd bet he wasn't, Persico was still convicted of other charges in the Commission trial, so he might not get out of prison. Plus he's still got a few years to go from the Colombo Family trial convictions! lol

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Originally Posted By: MightyDR
Even if he isn't actually guilty of involvement in the Galante killing, and I'd bet he wasn't, Persico was still convicted of other charges in the Commission trial, so he might not get out of prison. Plus he's still got a few years to go from the Colombo Family trial convictions! lol

He would already be eligible for parole without the murder conviction.


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