Why the mob today are not really active in the west coast ? There are any crews out there from the ny families ?

no there is not any crew in the west

and why is that ? why the mob are not trying to go there ?

They barella survive in NY. Anyway Tommaso Gambino taked what remain of the L.A. family and there Joe Isgro also for the Gambino the other that come me to mind is shark Montemarano of colombos.

'They barella survive in NY' because of what ? the lack of new members ?

in new york the mob is still quite strong just look the murder of meldish in the bronx by the lucchese family meldish was among the biggest gangster in ny
in the west there are not crews there are some mafia member who live there and probably some money laundering and gambling operations, but not active crews

ohh ok, but why not in the west there is any reason for that ?

all the crime families based in the west were wiped out in the 1980s
the reason is that the italians in the west are by far less than the east, the italian population is mostly located in new york and north-east

There are no Italian communities out west. Seattle had one Italian gangster named Frank Collucico. He had a crew of non-Italians. They called it the Seattle Family. It's a joke. I doubt there is an Italian neighborhood in LA either.

Basically, where are the members or recruits? Everyone out here is just regular white people.

ohh ok i got it thank you all !!!

I made a mistake answering the question. They (the 5 families) survive because had a huge recruitment pool but as said Ryan in the west coast there no big italian community and if the Gambino,for example, can sent Isgro for open gambling rooms other families prefer to do this in NY or in NJ or at least in the east coast because would had the number for impose on another criminals.

Thanks furio !
I think that also in the west there are more gangs to compete with right ?

Yes. The Mexicans run the west coast. Le EME is based out west coast.

The mexicans have any connections with the LCN ?

Italian OC doesn't really compete with street gangs. I doubt Mexican gangs or the Crips would be involved in complex, white collar rackets like Construction, Garbage, Stock Fraud, or Racketeering.

As other people have said, there just aren't that many Italians out in the western US. Most people of Italian decsent have long since become Americanized and are usually long removed from their roots in the old country. They're more Olive Garden Italians who barely know anything about the old country, let alone know the old language or customs. It also seems like people on the east coast didnt assimilate as fast as they did elsewhere, simply because there were so many Italians.

The few Italian OC groups that were out West were fairly smalltime and have died out due to attrition like almost everywhere else except for NYC, Philly, etc.

There was an article posted recently of an Italian in Montreal who was getting drugs from a cartel guy in LA.

Also, the Zetas have been working with the Ndrangheta in Calabria with drugs, with the Calabrians having people in Mexico to coordinate shipments to Europe. Also, the Mexican Cartels are international and likely are in Europe too working with Italian groups over there.

There's probably more we dont know about, but in NYC it seems to be more Dominicans and Colombians who dominate drugs, so they likely have some Italian connections. I bet Cabrini knows more.

yeah let's wait for his comment
and thank you.

There actually are very large numbers of Italians (Italian Americans) in the West.

Just look at the numbers:

www.niaf.org/culture/statistics/5187-2/

www.niaf.org/culture/statistics/states-with-the-highest-population-of-italian-americans/

http://bancroft.berkeley.edu/collections/italianamericans/

San Diego basically has the same % of Italians as Montreal does.... yet Montreal is mafia heaven. And San Diego is on the water, and close to a border.



I think a large number of the Italians that settled in the Western US were from northern Italy (similar to Italian immigrants to Argentina and Brazil, where there isn't a very large presence of Italian OC). Northern Italian immigrant communities were not big on organized crime, but were very big on agriculture, entrepreneurship, business etc etc.

The West had different dynamics..... for ex, the climate was similar to Italy's so many Italians went into wine making, agriculture etc and made a lot of money doing it.

San Diego had L.A. family crew,same thing for the Outfit. But you're right but san Francisco had a big community but only a small family. I think that the west coast family doesn't had a Lucky Luciano that organized the families so they had to respond on NY or at least to the Chicago Outfit.

I think that right-to-work laws and a relative lack of sports teams might have a bit to do with it. That pretty much leaves dope as the primary racket.

The gay and Jewish mafias run things in the west.

I think that you are right. In the west coast the lack of italians to made and heavy presence of blacks and latinos that control street rackets made things difficult to mobsters.

Most of the Italian immigrants to Montreal and Toronto are people who are straight off the boat.. people who either themselves who came over, their parents, or grandparents.

Looking up the total number of Italian-Americans isn't really helpful because many of those are fifth and sixth generation immigrants, who have long since Americanized and married into different ethnic groups.

If someone is a gangster in Italy and immigrates to the US, they're going to go to New York or Philly where the mob already exists, as opposed to San Diego because there's no mafia and the few Italians who do live there aren't likely to be actual Italians (compared to people actually from Italy).

Look at The Sopranos.

There's several scenes in that show which serve to illustrate the point, how different Italians are to Italian-Americans.

Furio; the episode in Rome; the dudes who killed Frankie Valli's character.

one of my co-workers told me there was an Italian community on the east side of metro Seattle near Bellevue,Wa,her maiden name was amberghetti. Vinnie Teresa granddaughter worked in the same office with me,he was sent here in the wit sec program. but nobody knew this except one person and they knew i was a mob buff. then one day after he died she up and quit and nobody ever knew why,she was a rising star and walked away.

So i want discuss a other point.

Cali have a lot trouble with Gangs. If you look typical Mob things like Gambling ... are not in focus by the law enforcement. The Last FBI Gambling Case was 2013. So you have a good chance to stay under the radar. Another Point maybe you don't need a hierarchic system to make good Money. So you have a Crew or a network and this is enough.